Wake REALLY that bad of a deal?

[lasitter]

While his best years are clearly behind him, I look at Wake's ERA compared to Dice-K and Lackey and wonder:

 

For what we're paying him, and for the different ways he could be used, is he really that bad a deal right now?

 

I mean, with one good outing he could even move up in the club's ERA standings.

[yeszir]

Excellent analysis

[lasitter]

I know it doesn't count for much, but when I consider Dice-K's attitude, you have to think that Wake is one of our best ambassadors to the sport.

[a700hitter]

I know it doesn't count for much' date=' but when I consider Dice-K's attitude, you have to think that Wake is one of our best ambassadors to the sport.[/quote']Ambassadors that can't contribute to winning need to become full time ambassadors. He's through, done, finished. Enough already. Time to throw the dead weight overboard. This team can't afford to have non-contributors taking up roster spots. When Jenks and Wheeler return, who gets squeezed out of the pen?

[Palodios]

While his best years are clearly behind him, I look at Wake's ERA compared to Dice-K and Lackey and wonder:

 

Dice-k>Wakefield. One good start against the *expletive* Mariners does not suddenly make Wakefield a good pitcher again.

 

 

You know what, I'm going to take this one step further. Did you even watch the *expletive* Minnesota game? He got completely shelled against AAA players. If you watched that game, you will know how done this guy is. He isn't a bullpen pitcher because he needs 20 minutes to get warmed up, and he can't be brought in with someone in RISP because of the high chance of passed balls. He's done with this team, and the Red Sox need to *expletive* realize it.

[MJantomaso]

Ambassadors that can't contribute to winning need to become full time ambassadors. He's through' date=' done, finished. Enough already. Time to throw the dead weight overboard. This team can't afford to have non-contributors taking up roster spots. When Jenks and Wheeler return, who gets squeezed out of the pen?[/quote']

 

God damn I hate Wheeler:angry:

[lasitter]

For a guy that went 11-5 in 2009, I just feel like he deserves another shot at long relief or even a start or two before writing him off.

 

When the knuckle ball is dancing, it can shut down the best hitters in the game like nothing else. It's a pitch I love to watch, and I'm not convinced that he's forgotten how to throw it.

 

He's lost one game so far. There are a lot more (EXPENSIVE!) reasons for us getting bombed this season.

[MJantomaso]

For a guy that went 11-5 in 2009, I just feel like he deserves another shot at long relief or even a start or two before writing him off.

 

When the knuckle ball is dancing, it can shut down the best hitters in the game like nothing else. It's a pitch I love to watch, and I'm not convinced that he's forgotten how to throw it.

 

He's lost one game so far. There are a lot more (EXPENSIVE!) reasons for us getting bombed this season.

 

When you go 11-5 with an ERA almost at 5 is a fluke...

 

That means he got to pitch on the days the Sox decided to destroy the ball. The Win/Lose column is very deceiving. Look at King Felix in 2010 13-12 with a 2.27 ERA. Win/loss column depends on if the offense is on or not imo.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

The only way I could find Wake useful is as a starter. He is not bullpen material.

 

Like I said in a previous Wake related thread, I wish there was a way you can have a player, not have them on the roster all the time, and when they are needed for a start they show up, pitch, go home and are paid by start.

[Palodios]

For a guy that went 11-5 in 2009, I just feel like he deserves another shot at long relief or even a start or two before writing him off.

 

When the knuckle ball is dancing, it can shut down the best hitters in the game like nothing else. It's a pitch I love to watch, and I'm not convinced that he's forgotten how to throw it.

 

He's lost one game so far. There are a lot more (EXPENSIVE!) reasons for us getting bombed this season.

 

Are you serious? Lackey went 14-11 last year, and 11-8 in 2009. Dice-k went like 18-5 in 2008. Its one thing to look at past years as benchmarks, but W-L are an isolated statistic that do not show the full picture of a pitcher's value. Wakefield got absolutely bombed by a AAA team, and when you pitch at 68 miles per hour, that is what is going to happen. Hell, if you want to look at his All-star year in 2009, you have to remember that most of those wins were BEFORE his hip surgery that seemed to have signaled the end of his career.

[SoxFanForsyth]

WTF is this thread??

[snydersminipretzels]

WTF is this thread??

 

Is Wakefield a good/bad deal?

[RedSoxFaithful]

Is Wakefield a good/bad deal?

 

Deal as in money? because that seems to make no difference we are paying Dice-K and Lackey either way and all three don't usually give us a chance to win so if anyone should go it should be Wake when Jenks gets back. I think Hill and Aceves need to stay.

[Adblue620]

Honestly Wakefield has had an awesome career.. But its time to let it go.

[iortiz]

i would prefer all the times, give the opportunity to our farms like Albers, Hill or even Aceves for a "start-situations needed" or a 1-3 Runs (up/down) situations as relievers. Wake is at this point, like a suspense-movie, he can lose the game in just one inning or be hitless (much less of the times at this point of his career).

 

He should be used when the game is up/down 5 Rs and you want to give some rest to your starters and relievers, no pressure situations. The same situation goes to Jenks and Wheeler (at least, till both show another face).

 

So... i would set the rotation & BP this way...

 

Starters

 

Buch

Lester

Beckett

D-K (on the edge, move his ass in case of "injures" or constant struggles. )

Lackey**(two more games, if struggles continue, to BP)

 

middle innings

 

Albers

Hill

Aceves

Oki

 

8th, 9th

 

Bard & Pap

 

"Lost games" (6 or more Rs deficit) or Won games ( 6 or more Rs), "No pressure situations".

 

Jenks, Wheeler and Wake.

 

Then... you can set the combination u want given the # of available/permitted Ps in the roster.

[iortiz]

Ambassadors that can't contribute to winning need to become full time ambassadors. He's through' date=' done, finished. Enough already. Time to throw the dead weight overboard.[/b'] This team can't afford to have non-contributors taking up roster spots. When Jenks and Wheeler return, who gets squeezed out of the pen?

 

Totally agree

[iortiz]

Deal as in money? because that seems to make no difference we are paying Dice-K and Lackey either way and all three don't usually give us a chance to win so if anyone should go it should be Wake when Jenks gets back. I think Hill and Aceves need to stay.

and Albers... give 'em the opportunity to start... i prefer a lost by our farm than these thiefs, at least they gain experience.

[Wasatch]

I only would like to see him break some records, and then that's it. We need fresh meat.

[iortiz]

I only would like to see him break some records' date=' and then that's it. [b']We need fresh meat[/b].

 

ladies? or what we're talking about? hehehehe :thumbsup:

[redsoxrules]

I only would like to see him break some records' date=' and then that's it. We need fresh meat.[/quote']

 

that will take too long

[Wasatch]

that will take too long

 

Which record beats Clemens again?

[redsoxrules]

Which record beats Clemens again?

 

seriously ?

 

helps when you play for the same team for 16 years

 

If Clemens played 16 years in Boston wake wouldn't be anywhere's close

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Which record beats Clemens again?

 

All-time sox wins?

 

I'm all for beating that douchebag but like redsoxrules said it will take too long.

[Emmz]

And it would hurt the team to keep Wakefield out there just so they could get Clemens off of a record.

[a700hitter]

seriously ?

 

helps when you play for the same team for 16 years

 

If Clemens played 16 years in Boston wake wouldn't be anywhere's close

As much as I despise Clemens for his Yankee years, Wakefield doesn't deserve to hold any franchise record.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

May I ask why a700?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

May I ask why a700?

 

I'd like to know why too. It surprises me anyone would say that.

[Emmz]

Probably because he couldn't possibly earn it, which is how records are meant to be set/broken. The Red Sox would have to force the issue at the cost of putting in some washed up knuckler who has nothing left.

 

Wakefield could not possibly earn the record at this point, thus he doesn't deserve to have it.

[iortiz]

And it would hurt the team to keep Wakefield out there just so they could get Clemens off of a record.

 

totally agreed... i don't give a damn to support a forced-record, we are not in a pace to support this, his career is already brilliant.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Probably because he couldn't possibly earn it, which is how records are meant to be set/broken. The Red Sox would have to force the issue at the cost of putting in some washed up knuckler who has nothing left.

 

Wakefield could not possibly earn the record at this point, thus he doesn't deserve to have it.

 

He said he doesn't deserve "any record". Just came across as kind of harsh, as if Wake is some bum. He doesn't have to break any records or anything, but the guy has been a workhorse his entire career and did a lot for this team.