Yankees sign Freddy Garcia

[BSN07]

The Yankees off season reminds me a lot of what the Sox had to do in the 08 after missing out on Tex.

[Dipre]

I am now trembling in fear over the obvious superiority of the Yankees now that they have signed Freddy Garcia.

 

Thank God for the WC or we would have nigh a hope of reaching the playoffs, since the division is all but wrapped up by the Yankees with this brilliant, high-octane signing.

[Palodios]

The Yankees off season reminds me a lot of what the Sox had to do in the 08 after missing out on Tex.

 

I'd take Smoltz over Colon any day of the week.

[Divinity]

The Yanks recent dumpster diving isn't by any means a long term solution, they just need a guy who can get them 5 Wins or so early in the season. Then by June they can make a blockbuster trade or sign Pettitte.

 

Madoff's Ponzi scheme seems to be taking a heavy toll on the Mets. Today Mets' general manager Sandy Alderson conducted an interview today to address various topics, most important of all being recent financial struggles. He said, "Our payroll going into the season will be somewhere between $140 million and $150 million. I think that is significantly higher than we'd like to be on an annual basis"

 

If Johan Santana starts off well this year it seems more and more likely he could land with the Yanks

[diony]

As a White Sox fan' date=' thank you for signing Sweaty Freddy. Now Kenny Williams won't be tempted to go out and sign him again.[/quote']

 

That would be nothing compared to trading Nick Swisher for Wilson Betemit. :harhar:

[Dipre]

If Johan Santana starts off well this year it seems more and more likely he could land with the Yanks

 

The same Johan Santana who's coming off shoulder surgery? Whose velocity has dipped every year since going to the Mets from the Twins? Who's under contract for 22.5 million in '11, 24.5 million in '12 and 25.5 million in '13, with a 25 million option or 5.5 million buyout for '14?

 

Please do so. I wish you were running the Yankees.

[Divinity]

I'd rather pay 25m for Santana if he's throwing well after surgery rather then 30m+ for Beckett and Lackey, he's just turning 32, I think he can still perform at a high level for the remainder of his contract.

[Dipre]

I'd rather pay 25m for Santana if he's throwing well after surgery rather then 30m+ for Beckett and Lackey' date=' he's just turning 32, I think he can still perform at a high level for the remainder of his contract.[/quote']

 

And that's why i wish you were running the Yankees.

 

Lackey pitched 215 IP with a 4.0 WAR. A semi-healthy Beckett (Let's say 168 IP of 4.10 ERA, and a WAR of 3.2) and similar production from Lackey far outweigh the benefits of a post-surgical pitcher who would be coming from the NL to the AL. You would think otherwise, because you are both a homer, and you overestimate Santana's current ability. Bad combination.

 

You're saying that you would rather have one pitcher who would, at best, post a 4.0 WAR and give you 180-190 innings in the AL for 25 million, than two pitchers who could give you, at best, a combined 9-10 WAR and 400 innings for nine more million.

 

Please.

[26 to 6]

I am now trembling in fear over the obvious superiority of the Yankees now that they have signed Freddy Garcia.

 

Thank God for the WC or we would have nigh a hope of reaching the playoffs, since the division is all but wrapped up by the Yankees with this brilliant, high-octane signing.

I know you're just being sarcastic, and I can't speak for any of the other Yankee fans here since I haven't been too active lately, but as a Yankee fan I'm sincerely saying what you just said lol. I have the Sox penciled in for the division, hoping the Yanks can wrap up the WC.

 

It's gonna be an interesting season, that's for sure.

[Divinity]

And that's why i wish you were running the Yankees.

 

Lackey pitched 215 IP with a 4.0 WAR. A semi-healthy Beckett (Let's say 168 IP of 4.10 ERA, and a WAR of 3.2) and similar production from Lackey far outweigh the benefits of a post-surgical pitcher who would be coming from the NL to the AL. You would think otherwise, because you are both a homer, and you overestimate Santana's current ability. Bad combination.

 

You're saying that you would rather have one pitcher who would, at best, post a 4.0 WAR and give you 180-190 innings in the AL for 25 million, than two pitchers who could give you, at best, a combined 9-10 WAR and 400 innings for nine more million.

 

Please.

 

Yes for nine more million, 9m could easily buy you a 3.2 WAR pitcher.

 

Santana had 199 IP with a 2.98 ERA last year while Lackey had 215 IP with a 4.40 ERA.

 

You make it sound like he's coming back from Tommy John surgery, his surgery was performed over the summer and it was just bone chip removal.

 

He also had his best years in the AL, what you think his ERA is going to skyrocket to over 4-5 if he comes back? You sound like the homer here, not me.

[Dipre]

Let me address your post point by point before i am obligated to and get myself a bottle of Advil.

 

Yes for nine more million' date=' 9m could easily buy you a 3.2 WAR pitcher.[/quote']

 

Then why aren't the Yankees buying that 3.2 WAR pitcher? See the contradiction there?

 

This was not the initial point by the way.

 

Santana had 199 IP with a 2.98 ERA last year while Lackey had 215 IP with a 4.40 ERA.

 

Yes, and Santana was pitching in the NL East, while Lackey pitched in the AL East.

 

For what it's worth:

 

Santana's FIP last year was 3.54 with a .272 BABIP, his K rate was at a career low 6.5. Now he's post-surgical and you're moving him from the NL East to the AL East.

 

Do you not see the writing on the wall? Substract the pitcher, Citi Field, Braves stadium, and add Fenway, New Yankee, Rogers, Camden Yards and two surgeries.

 

It's simple logic.

 

 

You make it sound like he's coming back from Tommy John surgery, his surgery was performed over the summer and it was just bone chip removal.

 

Yes, because the fact that over the last three years he's had both shoulder and elbow surgery means nothing, and the declining peripherals don't either. Magical pinstripes would fix him right?

 

Any surgery that requires opening up the shoulder is significant.

 

He also had his best years in the AL, what you think his ERA is going to skyrocket to over 4-5 if he comes back? You sound like the homer here, not me.

 

Do you know what "context" means? It means keeping a subject where it belongs. Santana is not a Yankee, so, by saying he is not a fit, i am not attacking the Yankees, which is what you did to the Red Sox when you (very stupidly i might add) tried to justify the fact that he alone at 25 million would be more valuable than Beckett at Lackey at 34 million.

 

That is 73% of their total value combined. He couldn't provide 73% of their value by any measure you try to use. Not to mention the cost in prospects.

 

And he had "his best years" in the AL back when his average velocity was in the 92-93 range, not 89, and he hadn't had not one, but two major surgeries.

 

There is no logical way to justify your stance.

[BSN07]

I hope they trade of a few blue chippers for Santana. That be great. Montero, Sanchez and another playing for the Mets would be ideal

[Will617]

Yes for nine more million, 9m could easily buy you a 3.2 WAR pitcher.

 

Santana had 199 IP with a 2.98 ERA last year while Lackey had 215 IP with a 4.40 ERA.

 

You make it sound like he's coming back from Tommy John surgery, his surgery was performed over the summer and it was just bone chip removal.

 

He also had his best years in the AL, what you think his ERA is going to skyrocket to over 4-5 if he comes back? You sound like the homer here, not me.

 

Strikeouts trending down every year. Has a sparkling 6.0% HR/FB pitching in Citi Field. I'd enjoy watching his 45% flyball ratio in Yankee Stadium. He's had some of his best years in the AL...but that was when he was 26-29. Since then, he's steadily been losing velocity.

I also find it ironic that you use WAR, then compare the two pitchers using ERA, in consecutive sentences. If the Yankees could get a pitcher right now for 9 million that could contribute 3.2 WAR, I'm sure Brian Cashman would do a lot to get him.

[Divinity]

Carl Pavano signed for under 9m, but we all know why the Yankees didn't go for him heh

[Will617]

Carl Pavano signed for under 9m' date=' but we all know why the Yankees didn't go for him heh[/quote']

 

He did sign for under 9m, but that was because of age and the number of years on his contract. At his age, on average he will decline as a player by 0.5 WAR a season (on average), meaning that he would be worth about 5 WAR over two years. Given his history of injury and age, it would be unsurprising that he would take a two-year offer for less WAR per dollar than perhaps a healthy player would have gotten (perhaps, about $5 mil per WAR is a number I see quoted a lot). He also was a type A and the Twins would receive compensation if he signed elsewhere, which probably depressed his value.

Also, the Yankees did go for him.

[Meh]

If we resign Pettitte... I really like our team. Not really excited about the Garcia signing, but hey if it works out it's 1.5 million and if it really works out we got lightning in a bottle for 5 million.

 

CC, Hughes, Pettitte, AJ and Nova/Garcia/Noesi isn't that bad.

[Divinity]

 

That is 73% of their total value combined. He couldn't provide 73% of their value by any measure you try to use. Not to mention the cost in prospects.

 

 

I never said he would provide the same value, obviously 73% of two pitchers stats combined are greater then one. I meant I'd go with Santana and use the difference in money towards another pitcher, assuming there was an option to obtain a quality pitcher and that the Mets wouldn't be asking for top prospects considering how much salary the Yanks would be paying, Sorry for the confusion, we don't need to discuss this topic any further.

[a700hitter]

If we resign Pettitte... I really like our team. Not really excited about the Garcia signing, but hey if it works out it's 1.5 million and if it really works out we got lightning in a bottle for 5 million.

 

CC, Hughes, Pettitte, AJ and Nova/Garcia/Noesi isn't that bad.

Without Pettitte, it's... meh.

[jacksonianmarch]

Without Pettitte, it is VERY top heavy

[Palodios]

Without Pettitte' date=' it is VERY top heavy[/quote']

 

Did you just make a fat joke about Sabathia?

[Meh]

Did you just make a fat joke about Sabathia?

 

Well he did lose 35 lbs this off season, can't wait to see what he looks like. His goal was 50 but I haven't heard an update since the start of the year.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

And the Yankees themselves had control over that? Morons are in every stadium' date=' and I can tell you this, Red Sox fans are WAYYYY worse to Yankee fans than the Yankee fans are to sox fans. And this has changed dramatically since 2003[/quote']

 

Woahhhh, hold up. While I agree there are morons in every stadium I still think Yankees fans are worse than Red Sox fans. Yankees fans are way more obnoxious and have WAYYY less class.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPQieRucKE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

Adult Yankees fan messing with little teenage kids

 

 

Yankees fans rampage because they can't get tickets.*

 

 

 

That's nothing but I just wanted to ahow a few vids. I don't feel like searching through 20 youtube vids.

[yankees228]

Woahhhh, hold up. While I agree there are morons in every stadium I still think Yankees fans are worse than Red Sox fans. Yankees fans are way more obnoxious and have WAYYY less class.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPQieRucKE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

Adult Yankees fan messing with little teenage kids

 

 

Yankees fans rampage because they can't get tickets.*

 

 

 

That's nothing but I just wanted to ahow a few vids. I don't feel like searching through 20 youtube vids.

 

A bunch of anecdotal evidence proves absolutely nothing. There are really bad fans on both sides. I can tell you some pretty awful stories about things at Fenway.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Right, I never said Red Sox fans are good either. I just don't see them being worse fans than the Yankees. It's a rivalry thing I get it. I don't expect either side to be nice. See Yankees fans like you are rare haha. Don't change.

[italstallianion]

JFC RSFFL, it's like you've gotten your weeks worth of posting caught up in a few minutes.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I had over 500 unread post.

[yankees228]

Right' date=' I never said Red Sox fans are good either. I just don't see them being worse fans than the Yankees. It's a rivalry thing I get it. I don't expect either side to be nice. See Yankees fans like you are rare haha. Don't change.[/quote']

 

Haha thanks for the compliment.

[italstallianion]

I doubt that there are any major city fan bases without a lot of bad fans. One of my closest friends is a Yankee fan and we argue about which fan base is worse all the time. I personally think that it's impossible to measure, so I say it's a tie.