Baseball Redraft League Draft and Discussion Thread

[WhiskeyBreath]

I agree with the comparison. Obviously he's not as good as Marmol right now but hes a guy who will rack up tons of K's and issue a lot of walks. Both possess good fastballs and sliders.

[italstallianion]

At that price, probably, but considering how volatile relief pitching is, he isn't a horse that I'd bet on. Especially with his minor league track record.

[Keeper]

What exactly is discouraging about his minor league track record?

[italstallianion]

It looks like A700 signed off.

[a700hitter]

J.A. Happ ($470,000)

[italstallianion]

It's more of a scouting issue with me. There are many kinds of walks. Ignoring intentional walks and sticking to the non-intentional kind, Marmol walks hitters much like Dice-K in the sense that he is stubborn and won't give into batters. They will both throw their pitch regardless of the count. Kimbrel walks batters because he's wild. It's almost as if Kimbrel is looking for the strike zone like you or I would look for a girls G spot. The phrase "little man in the boat" actually means something. A lot of scouting reports warn of this.

[italstallianion]

WB is up next, anyway A700, are you going to use JA Happ as your 5th starter or a long reliever?

[a700hitter]

WB is up next' date=' anyway A700, are you going to use JA Happ as your 5th starter or a long reliever?[/quote']5th starter

[Keeper]

Kimbrel is definitely wild, but so is Marmol. He's either locked in or he can't find the strike zone to save his life. I've seen him a lot more than you. Watching him pitch is ugly sometimes, but he has one of the best sliders in the game.

[italstallianion]

Dipre's going to make JE's pick again, but this will at least save time waiting for him.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

No no I'm here. I got it.

[italstallianion]

Nice, in any case, you're up after WB.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Grady Sizemore - ($5.6M)

 

Put him on my bench for now. Gonna wait to see how healthy he is before starting him.

[italstallianion]

Got it, you're up JE.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

2B Orlando Hudson, $5,000,000

[italstallianion]

Keeper is up next.

[Keeper]

David Ortiz - DH ($12.5 Million)

 

You can move Markakis to the bench.

[a700hitter]

Grady Sizemore - ($5.6M)

 

Put him on my bench for now. Gonna wait to see how healthy he is before starting him.

I was seriously considering him throughout. He had the same surgery as Beltran. I opted for Beltran despite the hefty price tag, because he had already returned to the playing field and his return took longer than expected. The Guardians are on record that they will not rush him. I had plenty of room under the cap. I had considered taking them both for a brief second. Ideally, I wanted to get Tori Hunter and then I would have put Sizemore on my bench. He has a lot of upside once he gets back on the field.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Yeah, I wasn't really sure of the ideal to take him so I went for it now to ensure I got him. Worst case scenario he struggles to make it back and I have an expensive backup.

[italstallianion]

Y228 is now up I think.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'm not sure if Kimbrel is going to close or not this year, but I'm banking on him being my set up man for Mo in the bullpen.

 

At 400k, I think he's worth a bit of the risk. He's wild at times, sure, but his K/9 even going back into the minors is very impressive. Hopefully he calms it down a bit, though.

[italstallianion]

I think he's likely going to be the closer for Atlanta, which may make it tougher to grade him as a setup man for your bullpen. It's not a huge deal, but it's certainly worth noting.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I don't see what making a closer a set up man is that big of a deal?

 

I can see why making a closer a long relief guy, or something that is out of the nature of what they do, but a set up guy is more or less interchangeable.

 

I think everyone would agree that they would love to see Bard close, or that they would love to see Soriano set up for Heath Bell. Or Brian Wilson set up for Rivera.

 

I guess I don't understand why there is a negative connotation involved with a closer in a set up role, especially when the Sox just picked up Jenks to do virtually that.

 

I don't think you should take into consideration the intangibles, i.e. decreased motivation, player happiness, etc, because it's impossible to really tell how a player is going to react to a situation.

[italstallianion]

For the record, I said that it wasn't a big deal.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I can also understand why you would take a hit for playing a first baseman in the OF, or putting a 3B at catcher, etc. Positions which require different skill sets. But closing and set up are so similar, it would be almost like putting a SS at 2B. Or putting a CF in LF.

 

If the SS can make the throw from SS, they can make it from 2B. If a guy can close out a game, he can pitch the 8th. Again, it's just my take on the situation, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[SoxFanForsyth]

For the record' date=' I said that it wasn't a big deal.[/quote']

 

Right, I know, but to me, it would be advantageous to have back to back shut down guys. I've never played in the power ranking type of a league, so I'm not sure if voting is based on personal opinion about the subject or if there is a general consensus that players playing out of their delegated position is an automatic deduction.

 

Either way, it's all for fun so it doesn't really matter.

[Keeper]

I wouldn't look down on Kimbrel as your setup man if he winds up closing for the Braves. Their closer situation is up in the air right now. For all we know, it could be Venters or it could be by committee. Hell, on my team Sale could wind up closing for the White Sox.

 

I look at it this way. If a guy can be a closer, he can certainly be a setup man. But it doesn't always work the other way. We've seen that with Ryan Madson.

[italstallianion]

Right, I know, but to me, it would be advantageous to have back to back shut down guys. I've never played in the power ranking type of a league, so I'm not sure if voting is based on personal opinion about the subject or if there is a general consensus that players playing out of their delegated position is an automatic deduction.

 

Either way, it's all for fun so it doesn't really matter.

 

 

Don't worry about it. I wish that I could tell you that there was a strict guidline towards voting, or that it was consistent, but it really isn't. People are going to do the power rankings the way they see fit, and I can only speak for myself.

 

That said, some of those intricate things noted are mostly factored into the voting, if at all. Most of the time the power rankings are solely talent oriented. Not to mention that a lot of people in this redraft (Will, Dipre, Exman, You, Keeper, A700) haven't done a redraft before, or at least haven't been in one that I have done, so this is a new process for many, and it's a work in progress from previous redrafts.

 

I know that things aren't run perfectly here, but I'm doing what I can to improve it from previous redrafts and hopefully it'll do something to pave the way for better redrafts in the future. For one thing, I'm amazed at how fast this is going as opposed to other redrafts.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I wouldn't look down on Kimbrel as your setup man if he winds up closing for the Braves. Their closer situation is up in the air right now. For all we know, it could be Venters or it could by committee. Hell, on my team Sale could wind up closing for the White Sox.

 

I look at it this way. If a guy can be a closer, he can certainly be a setup man. But it doesn't always work the other way. We've seen that with Ryan Madson.

 

That's exactly how I look at it. If he can shut down the 9th, he can shut down the 8th. The 9th is the pressure cooker.

[italstallianion]

The only thing I'll say to that is that if you picked a closer who has avoided signing with a team if he couldn't close, or has thrown a fit towards being a set up man, then that might count against you. Obviously Kimbrel hasn't done so, and it is hard to predict the exact roles that people will be put into for their respective teams (long relief especially) so as I had said earlier, it isn't a big deal. I notice and think about these things, which was why I mentioned it. I didn't want to make people panic.