Baseball Redraft League Draft and Discussion Thread

[yrtb]

Anyways, I agree that Morneau/Teixeira/CC/Carpenter/Morneau are arguable due to their salaries, but I just look at it differently from some others

 

Reaches are going to be much easier for me to do, please don't feel insulted by these because they are just my opinion

 

Daric Barton (#81) - He may have a favorable salary, but I think there are a ton of better players still available

Jeremy Hellickson (#67) - He's really unproven and there's no guarantee that he even makes the Rays rotation this year, they have a lot of good pitchers

Pablo Sandoval (#47) - He really wasn't all that good last year, he was an average third baseman at best, average third baseman shouldn't go in the top 50 IMO

Ervin Santana (#57) - He hasn't proved nearly enough to be considered as a #1 pitcher on a respectable team, I think there were better available options when he was drafted

Brian McCann (#16) - I have a thing with not drafting catchers not named Joe Mauer in the top 30 picks of a draft, because catcher statistics after Joe Mauer are so random, McCann is consistent for a catcher, but he puts up similar statistics to other position players who will go in the 100's, I just think this is too early for a catcher not named Joe Mauer

Buster Posey (#24) - Read above ^^^, plus he's rather unproven, it was less than a full season of success

Victor Martinez (#36) - He can barely play a good catcher anymore, he's better at first base, and at first base he's not a top 15 hitter by any regards

Dan Uggla (#37) - He's really a one dimensional player, I know it's a shallow position, but he doesn't do much other than hit homers, and he's a terrible fielder

Billy Butler (#45) - The 6th first baseman to go, and not a top 10 first baseman in the league

BJ Upton (#77) - He hasn't hit for power or average for a couple of years now, he gets a lot of steals and plays good defense, but he doesn't get on base enough to warrant this pick in the top 100

 

Alright, that was my take. Any opinions?

[Will617]

Agree on all but Uggla and the catchers. It's just ridiculously difficult to find offense at those positions.

[Keeper]

I don't mind McCann and Posey being drafted so high, Posey especially. I think his WAR could be in the 5-6 range next year.

[yrtb]

The difference in production between a catcher who goes in the 15th round and those 2nd/3rd round catchers is probably .010-.025 on the average, a bit of defense, and 5 home runs or so...it just isn't worth it to pick catchers that early IMO

 

The different between 2nd/3rd round pitchers and 15th round pitchers is almost a run on the ERA

[italstallianion]

Anyways, I agree that Morneau/Teixeira/CC/Carpenter/Morneau are arguable due to their salaries, but I just look at it differently from some others

 

Reaches are going to be much easier for me to do, please don't feel insulted by these because they are just my opinion

 

Daric Barton (#81) - He may have a favorable salary, but I think there are a ton of better players still available

Jeremy Hellickson (#67) - He's really unproven and there's no guarantee that he even makes the Rays rotation this year, they have a lot of good pitchers

Pablo Sandoval (#47) - He really wasn't all that good last year, he was an average third baseman at best, average third baseman shouldn't go in the top 50 IMO

Ervin Santana (#57) - He hasn't proved nearly enough to be considered as a #1 pitcher on a respectable team, I think there were better available options when he was drafted

Brian McCann (#16) - I have a thing with not drafting catchers not named Joe Mauer in the top 30 picks of a draft, because catcher statistics after Joe Mauer are so random, McCann is consistent for a catcher, but he puts up similar statistics to other position players who will go in the 100's, I just think this is too early for a catcher not named Joe Mauer

Buster Posey (#24) - Read above ^^^, plus he's rather unproven, it was less than a full season of success

Victor Martinez (#36) - He can barely play a good catcher anymore, he's better at first base, and at first base he's not a top 15 hitter by any regards

Dan Uggla (#37) - He's really a one dimensional player, I know it's a shallow position, but he doesn't do much other than hit homers, and he's a terrible fielder

Billy Butler (#45) - The 6th first baseman to go, and not a top 10 first baseman in the league

BJ Upton (#77) - He hasn't hit for power or average for a couple of years now, he gets a lot of steals and plays good defense, but he doesn't get on base enough to warrant this pick in the top 100

 

Alright, that was my take. Any opinions?

 

 

 

I pretty much agree with this list. While I support my selections, seeing that Mccann is largely considered to be the #2 catcher behind Mauer, and that the catcher market is incredibly thin, not to mention that I'd take Mccann at 5.5 million over Mauer at 12+ million. In any case, the end positions on the drafts are more prone to reaching due to how many other picks are in between draft choices. It was a definite reach, but I think it was a reach worth taking considering that Forsyth took Posey a few picks later and Dipre was also looking for a catcher, so I highly doubt that he would have made it back to me for my next set of picks.

 

As for Butler, I chose him because he was under 500k, and was a consistently good right handed bat. It was probably a reach since he is relatively under the radar, and not to mention he plays a position that is very deep in talent, but again, at 470k, I'd take that chance anytime.

 

With that said, I think that you didn't mention what in my opinion was the single biggest reach of the entire draft thus far, Johan Santana, since he's injured and costs $21 million.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Anyways, I agree that Morneau/Teixeira/CC/Carpenter/Morneau are arguable due to their salaries, but I just look at it differently from some others

 

Reaches are going to be much easier for me to do, please don't feel insulted by these because they are just my opinion

 

Daric Barton (#81) - He may have a favorable salary, but I think there are a ton of better players still available

Jeremy Hellickson (#67) - He's really unproven and there's no guarantee that he even makes the Rays rotation this year, they have a lot of good pitchers

Pablo Sandoval (#47) - He really wasn't all that good last year, he was an average third baseman at best, average third baseman shouldn't go in the top 50 IMO

Ervin Santana (#57) - He hasn't proved nearly enough to be considered as a #1 pitcher on a respectable team, I think there were better available options when he was drafted

Brian McCann (#16) - I have a thing with not drafting catchers not named Joe Mauer in the top 30 picks of a draft, because catcher statistics after Joe Mauer are so random, McCann is consistent for a catcher, but he puts up similar statistics to other position players who will go in the 100's, I just think this is too early for a catcher not named Joe Mauer

Buster Posey (#24) - Read above ^^^, plus he's rather unproven, it was less than a full season of success

Victor Martinez (#36) - He can barely play a good catcher anymore, he's better at first base, and at first base he's not a top 15 hitter by any regards

Dan Uggla (#37) - He's really a one dimensional player, I know it's a shallow position, but he doesn't do much other than hit homers, and he's a terrible fielder

Billy Butler (#45) - The 6th first baseman to go, and not a top 10 first baseman in the league

BJ Upton (#77) - He hasn't hit for power or average for a couple of years now, he gets a lot of steals and plays good defense, but he doesn't get on base enough to warrant this pick in the top 100

 

Alright, that was my take. Any opinions?

 

I very much disagree with Uggla and Posey.

 

Posey hit 18 bombs and had a .862 OPS last year in 108 games. Mauer's OPS last year was .871. In terms of UZR, Posey had a higher rating than Mauer last year as well. Hes young, about $22.5mm less than Mauer, and is a top catcher in the league.

 

As far as Uggla is concerned, the guy absolutely rakes. He would be an incredible 2 hole hitter. He's not the best second baseman in terms of defense, but it's a very shallow position outside of Pedey, Cano, and Utley in terms of solid hitting.

[Keeper]

With that said' date=' I think that you didn't mention what in my opinion was the single biggest reach of the entire draft thus far, Johan Santana, since he's injured and costs $21 million.[/quote']

 

Definitely the biggest reach. $21 million for around 15 starts.

[italstallianion]

I very much disagree with Uggla and Posey.

 

Posey hit 18 bombs and had a .862 OPS last year in 108 games. Mauer's OPS last year was .871. In terms of UZR, Posey had a higher rating than Mauer last year as well. Hes young, about $22.5mm less than Mauer, and is a top catcher in the league.

 

As far as Uggla is concerned, the guy absolutely rakes. He would be an incredible 2 hole hitter. He's not the best second baseman in terms of defense, but it's a very shallow position outside of Pedey, Cano, and Utley in terms of solid hitting.

 

 

Mauer costs 12.5 million I believe, and Posey was around 450k. Granted I'd also take Posey at his price over Mauer at his price, but I think that Mauer/Mccann/and Posey are likely the top 3 catchers in the game. Posey has a bit more to prove than the others, and depending on Carlos Santana's injury, he can give them a run for their money, but the catching market is extremely thin, whereas the first baseman market is extremely deep, so I'd actually argue that some of the 1st basemen in the "steals" column should belong in the "reaches" section, while some of the catchers in the "reaches" column are more likely "steals".

 

I do agree with Ytrb on Uggla though. He is a good power hitter, but I'm not a big fan of his defense and I think he had a career year last year and is highly likely to regress. Also 7$7.5 million is a lot to spend when you consider that Pedroia, Kinsler, and Weeks were nearly half of that. He's certainly not a bad player, but he wasn't the greatest bargin of a player at that price.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I know it wasn't the best pick but whatever.

[yrtb]

I just am rather radical on the catcher issue, I never draft catchers early, in fact I've never drafted a catcher in the top 100 of a fantasy draft before

[italstallianion]

Also to clarify for people, just because someone is considered a "reach" does NOT mean that they are a bad player, or a bad draft pick. In addition, only the one building the team has an idea of what the final puzzle will look like, so while the players are individually judged and criticised as "puzzle pieces", some pieces fit better with a team than others. So even if one did reach by selecting someone like Dustin Pedroia over say, Robinson Cano, it could be that Dustin Pedroia was a better fit for the team that drafted him than Cano was, and in that case, I would support that pick.

 

My point is, don't get upset if someone labels one of your picks a "reach" and don't get too flattered if someone labels your pick as a "steal". There are plenty more rounds to go, and there will be plenty more reaches and steals along the way. In addition, only you know what you plan on doing with your team, so don't get discouraged if someone says anything about one of your players because they don't know what you're planning on doing with them. Talent alone will not win this redraft.

[Palodios]

Positional elitism can go a long way. Teams with a quality catcher/SS/2nd can do a lot of good things. Like in football this year, team's who went without impact TE's took a big hit there all season.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Italian - Sending you my next pick. Probably going to be offline for an hour or so.

[italstallianion]

Sounds good dude. I hope that WhiskeyBreath didn't disappear somewhere and that he's ok.

[Keeper]

I know it wasn't the best pick but whatever.

 

You didn't know the extent of his injury. In the last draft we did, in retrospect I made some horrible picks with my pitching staff. So bad I won't repeat them here.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Let me know when you get them. Don't want you guys to be stuck bc I assumed the message went through and it didn't.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I knew he was injured last season. I didn't know it would be until the all star break.

[EXman369]

Let me know when you get them. Don't want you guys to be stuck bc I assumed the message went through and it didn't.

 

same here italy

[italstallianion]

Exman, a bunch of your players listed were already taken (Trevor Cahill and Prince Fielder for example) but you have enough backups so you should be fine by the time it comes to your pick.

[EXman369]

Allright thanks italy, ill try to stay on top of things ill check again tonight before i start drinking too much, hope u all have a safe and happy new year if i cant stumble onto a computer

[SoxFanForsyth]

The Red Sox and reliever Hideki Okajima have agreed to terms on a one-year deal, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe first reported that the two sides were close to an agreement.

 

The left-hander was non-tendered by the Red Sox earlier this year.

 

f***!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:

[italstallianion]

Don't worry about it. Have fun Exman and check in whenever you can. You have at least 4 backups sent so I think we'll be fine for your 2 picks, and you'll definitely be fine for your first pick.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Same to you EXman.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Daric Barton (#81) - He may have a favorable salary' date=' but I think there are a ton of better players still available[/quote']

 

Here we go on-base, here we go! *clap clap* Here we go on-base, here we go! *clap clap* Here we go on-base, here we go!

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Here we go on-base' date=' here we go! *clap clap* Here we go on-base, here we go! *clap clap* Here we go on-base, here we go![/quote']

 

*clap clap*

[Will617]

Here we go on-base' date=' here we go! *clap clap* Here we go on-base, here we go! *clap clap* Here we go on-base, here we go![/quote']

 

GET A WALK!!!!

[SoxFanForsyth]

This 8 hr window needs to be cut down to 4 hours.

[italstallianion]

In all fairness Forsyth, I think we've only had one person get skipped thus far. We've come close a few times, but we've only had one person pass the 8 hours. In the other redrafts, pretty much everyone (other than me) got skipped at least once at one point or another. There were days where we only had a couple picks made for the entire day.

 

In any case, I'll talk to Dipre about it and we'll keep an eye on it, but right now I'm still fine with the 8 hours. However, if the majority of people want the window to be shortened, I can shorten it to 6 hours. Again, Dipre would have to approve of it, but if enough people want the window shortened, then I can work with it.

 

That said, I bet that you guys would be going insane if you participated in the other redrafts. Some of us veterans are happy enough with the current pace. You'd have to have known how slowly those other redrafts went in order to appreciate this one.

[italstallianion]

WhiskeyBreath would technically have until 10:30pm tonight to make his pick, meaning that it's been less than 3 hours since the previous person (Jacoby Ellsbury) made his pick.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Just got in from work. Pick coming shortly.