Moss to Vikings?

[Divinity]

Brady does look like a twit with that haircut. The team should have an intervention with him about that. It's embarrassing.

 

Apparently his wife is the boss in their relationship.

 

According to the Boston Herald, interviewer Greg Hill asked Brady: "Is there anything I can do to make you cut your hair?"

 

"Ah, you'll have to speak to my wife about that," Brady said.

[Emmz]

so the pats won their first SB because of the passing of Brady ?

a whole 575 yards passing with 1 f***ing TD pass in the 3 post season game ? I dont f***ing think so

the Pats won their first SB thanks to their defense and the leg of Vinaterri

 

and dont get me started on the tuck rule in that game VS the Raiders

 

did you know that Brady ranks 183 of 219 in YPA lifetime ?( yards per pass attempts )

Brady is a short pass QB thrower .

Brady throws a shorter pass, on average than 95 percent of the QB's who ever played the game

 

aside from when he's had moss , he cant throw the ball downfield when he needs to .

always plays the safe short pass so he dosent make a mistake .

in the early years he'd get stopped short and Vinaterri had to bail him out .

that s*** wont fly anymore now that the defense is not what it used to be .

 

look at how Matt cassel did in 2008 compared to what he's doing now

now that moss is gone Brady will be back to average as he was prior to 2007 in witch he had never threw for 30 TD in a season and had ONLY 1 year with over 4000 yards passing

 

 

 

Brady gets all of his credit for the 3 SB wins period .

 

While I agree Brady is MASSIVELY overrated, he's only put up elite numbers with elite tools to work with, he's traditionally very mistake-free. His early years without Moss and co., he would tear away slowly at defenses with short passes and handing off to power runners. His low YPA is products mainly to BB's offensive strategy.

 

While I agree he's not the legend that Pats fans, and the Pats fans that are television announcers, would have you believe. I still think he's a very good QB. And yes, Brady gets entirely too much credit for those Super Bowl wins, when he should really be thanking the defense and Adam V.

[Dojji]

did you know that Brady ranks 183 of 219 in YPA lifetime ?( yards per pass attempts )

Brady is a short pass QB thrower .

 

And a very successful one who has proven, with the right hands downfield, that he can be a lot more than that when necessary. He goes short because his team, for most of his tenure, is a short pass team that plays possession football and by and large isn't trying for the big gainer except as a show-me to get someone off balance/ You don't go cherry-picking looking for the one stat that's actually slightly critical of a guy like Brady and then fail to note the reason why that number is the way it is has a lot to do with the way Bill Belichick coaches and less to do with what Brady's technically capable of.

 

It's like criticizing Ortiz and calling him an average player at best because he's a terrible base stealing threat. It's something he doesn't do, sure, it's also something he isn't out there to do in the first place, so it's a useless thing to say.

[See Red]

It's like criticizing Ortiz and calling him an average player at best because he's a terrible base stealing threat. It's something he doesn't do' date=' sure, it's also something he isn't out there to do in the first place, so it's a useless thing to say.[/quote']

 

It's actually not like that at all.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

And a very successful one who has proven, with the right hands downfield, that he can be a lot more than that when necessary. He goes short because his team, for most of his tenure, is a short pass team that plays possession football and by and large isn't trying for the big gainer except as a show-me to get someone off balance/ You don't go cherry-picking looking for the one stat that's actually slightly critical of a guy like Brady and then fail to note the reason why that number is the way it is has a lot to do with the way Bill Belichick coaches and less to do with what Brady's technically capable of.

 

It's like criticizing Ortiz and calling him an average player at best because he's a terrible base stealing threat. It's something he doesn't do, sure, it's also something he isn't out there to do in the first place, so it's a useless thing to say.

 

Like See Red said It's not like that at all. Hitting and base running are two different aspects of the game. Brady on the other hand is a QB. So throwing long and/or short passes is still contributing to the same thing. I get what you're trying to say but you put in the wrong way.

[boston22407]

how is Brady overrated

3 SB 5 pro-bowls 1 first team all pro 2xsuper bowl mvp 2007 male athlete of the year

234td and 101int 31,755 93..8 qb rating

owns a 21 game winning streak

# 7–1 (career) in overtime games

# 30–6 (career) vs. NFC teams

# 29 game-winning drives after a Patriots' fourth-quarter tie or deficit

 

# NFL record for most consecutive wins in post season: 10 (broke record of Green Bay's Bart Starr).

# Most consecutive post season wins (college and professional combined): 12

# 3 Super Bowl victories

# 2 Super Bowl MVP awards

# Most completions in a Super Bowl (32 in Super Bowl XXXVIII)

# Most career Super Bowl completions (100 in four games)

# Highest completion percentage in a single game, minimum 20 attempts (26 of 28, 92.9%, against Jacksonville in 2007 AFC Divisional round)

 

overrated ?

[YanksHater213]

While I agree Brady is MASSIVELY overrated, he's only put up elite numbers with elite tools to work with, he's traditionally very mistake-free. His early years without Moss and co., he would tear away slowly at defenses with short passes and handing off to power runners. His low YPA is products mainly to BB's offensive strategy.

 

While I agree he's not the legend that Pats fans, and the Pats fans that are television announcers, would have you believe. I still think he's a very good QB. And yes, Brady gets entirely too much credit for those Super Bowl wins, when he should really be thanking the defense and Adam V.

 

Do you believe calling Brady the 2nd best QB of this decade is overrating him?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

See this is going to be a pointless debate. Even if he was overrated(I'm not saying he is) everyone would be in denial because they're pats fans. I thought the whole point of this thread is to talk about Moss moving to the Vikings? Everything seems to revolve around Brady here.

[Emmz]

holy team accomplishments Batman!

[boston22407]

See this is going to be a pointless debate. Even if he was overrated(I'm not saying he is) everyone would be in denial because they're pats fans. I thought the whole point of this thread is to talk about Moss moving to the Vikings? Everything seems to revolve around Brady here.

 

At the end day it is just ignorant people that can accept stuff

[Emmz]

Do you believe calling Brady the 2nd best QB of this decade is overrating him?

 

Nope, but who's his competition? Aside from Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, who have been consistently very good? You have an old Brett Favre, who was in his prime in the mid-late 90s. You have Brees, who's only emerged a few seasons ago, same goes for Aaron Rodgers. Michael Vick? Donovan McNabb? He has little competition, this decade is pretty poor in quarterbacks compared to the 90s. Elway, Marino, Favre.. There's 1-2-3 in practically every QB stat ever.

 

Manning is vastly superior to Brady, though.

[YanksHater213]

See this is going to be a pointless debate. Even if he was overrated(I'm not saying he is) everyone would be in denial because they're pats fans. I thought the whole point of this thread is to talk about Moss moving to the Vikings? Everything seems to revolve around Brady here.

 

I mean, people who overrate him are the ones who say he's better than Manning. I'd say that calling him the 2nd best QB of the last decade is rating him completely proper.

[YanksHater213]

Nope, but who's his competition? Aside from Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, who have been consistently very good? You have an old Brett Favre, who was in his prime in the mid-late 90s. You have Brees, who's only emerged a few seasons ago, same goes for Aaron Rodgers. Michael Vick? Donovan McNabb? He has little competition, this decade is pretty poor in quarterbacks compared to the 90s. Elway, Marino, Favre.. There's 1-2-3 in practically every QB stat ever.

 

Manning is vastly superior to Brady, though.

 

Cherish this day cause we agree.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

At the end day it is just ignorant people that can accept stuff

 

I wouldn't say ignorant. Redsoxrules post actualy made some valid points. Now that I think about it Brady doesn't deserve to get cred for all the SB the Pats won. I still think he is one hell of a player. I personally think he is great. I think everyone just flipped out when the word "average" came in. That's his opinion. I don't consider it being ignorant.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I mean' date=' people who overrate him are the ones who say he's better than Manning. I'd say that calling him the 2nd best QB of the last decade is rating him completely proper.[/quote']

 

No one on this thread has said Brady was better than Manning. I personally think Manning is better. Calling Brady 2nd best Qb of the last decade is an opinion. That's what you think but others may have different options.

[Emmz]

I think he's very good, I think he's HOF material, but ESPN would have you believe he's the greatest of all time. At the end of his career, Peyton Manning will be the greatest QB who's ever played. Guy's got the skills of Marino (Who was a puss), and the toughness of Favre. Granted, he sucks in the playoffs like Favre too.

[boston22407]

I wouldn't say ignorant. Redsoxrules post actualy made some valid points. Now that I think about it Brady doesn't deserve to get cred for all the SB the Pats won. I still think he is one hell of a player. I personally think he is great. I think everyone just flipped out when the word "average" came in. That's his opinion. I don't consider it being ignorant.

 

im just saying in general, if tom was on any other team people would give him or credit ,but whatever i would hate him to if i rooted for another team and had to play him

 

by the way

you going to be on talkpats tonight ?

[boston22407]

I think he's very good' date=' I think he's HOF material, but ESPN would have you believe he's the greatest of all time. At the end of his career, Peyton Manning will be the greatest QB who's ever played. Guy's got the skills of Marino (Who was a puss), and the toughness of Favre. Granted, he sucks in the playoffs like Favre too.[/quote']

 

espn is the biggest load of BS ,i never liked espn and never will they suck cock!

i stick to NFL network

[a700hitter]

I wouldn't say ignorant. Redsoxrules post actualy made some valid points. Now that I think about it Brady doesn't deserve to get cred for all the SB the Pats won. I still think he is one hell of a player. I personally think he is great. I think everyone just flipped out when the word "average" came in. That's his opinion. I don't consider it being ignorant.

kudos to you. :thumbsup: Too many people just assume that opinions different from theirs are ignorant.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

im just saying in general, if tom was on any other team people would give him or credit ,but whatever i would hate him to if i rooted for another team and had to play him

 

by the way

you going to be on talkpats tonight ?

 

I didn't understand your post completely but I'm assuming your saying If Brady was another team he would get more credit? Why is that? Also, of course everyone would hate to play Tom Brady. I'm scared of what might happen week 7 following that pathetic performance against the Raiders.

 

Of course I'll be on talkpats. You already know. Looking foward to Moss bombing Revis again.

[boston22407]

kudos to you. :thumbsup: Too many people just assume that opinions different from theirs are ignorant.

 

no its when people say some stupid s*** .that's when its ignorant

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I think he's very good' date=' I think he's HOF material, but [b']ESPN[/b] would have you believe he's the greatest of all time. At the end of his career, Peyton Manning will be the greatest QB who's ever played. Guy's got the skills of Marino (Who was a puss), and the toughness of Favre. Granted, he sucks in the playoffs like Favre too.

 

..And this is why they suck. They love to brainwash people.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

kudos to you. :thumbsup: Too many people just assume that opinions different from theirs are ignorant.

 

Thank you sir.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

no its when people say some stupid s*** .that's when its ignorant

 

I'm not trying to play favorites here but redsoxrules has some pretty solid reasons. Although I disagree on the average part he is right. I know why you think it's stupid though. Your a pats fan so you're obviously going to think Brady is elite so whenever someone critcize him you're going to step in and automatically disagree.

[boston22407]

I didn't understand your post completely but I'm assuming your saying If Brady was another team he would get more credit? Why is that? Also, of course everyone would hate to play Tom Brady. I'm scared of what might happen week 7 following that pathetic performance against the Raiders.

 

Of course I'll be on talkpats. You already know. Looking foward to Moss bombing Revis again.

 

i feel that people give more credit to coach B and the D in the early 2000's .No qb could win a superbowl without a D.So saying Brady does not Deserve alot of credit for the Superbowls is dum. i think brady lost alot of credit with the whole spygate thing,But rebounded to have one of the best NFL single Season's in NFL history .

 

I hope man i have moss and min D , guy i am playing in Fantasy football has 3 jets and harvin on min .so i will be glued to the tv .

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

i feel that people give more credit to coach B and the D in the early 2000's .No qb could win a superbowl without a D.So saying Brady does not Deserve alot of credit for the Superbowls is dum. i think brady lost alot of credit with the whole spygate thing,But rebounded to have one of the best NFL single Season's in NFL history .

 

I hope man i have moss and min D , guy i am playing in Fantasy football has 3 jets and harvin on min .so i will be glued to the tv .

 

You're helping the argument. I know what you mean though. I didn't watch football back than so I can say anything about this statement.

[Dipre]

kudos to you. :thumbsup: Too many people just assume that opinions different from theirs are ignorant.

 

Not necessarily ignorant, but too often bias and/or misguided. Besides, aren't you supposed to be a closet Yankee fan? Who's to say you're not a closet Jets fan as well.

[Divinity]

The Patriots acquired receiver Deion Branch in a trade with the Seattle Seahawks for a fourth-round draft choice

[Palodios]

Deion Branch to the Patriots for a 4th round pick. Considering Moss got them a 3rd, this seems very very high.

 

So... essentially, they traded a 4th and 7th round pick to upgrade from Moss to Branch?

[WhiskeyBreath]

I think he's very good' date=' I think he's HOF material, but ESPN would have you believe he's the greatest of all time. At the end of his career, Peyton Manning will be the greatest QB who's ever played. Guy's got the skills of Marino (Who was a puss), and the toughness of Favre. [b']Granted, he sucks in the playoffs like Favre too.[/b]

 

And that's why he will never be the best of all time.