The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[Spudboy]

s***.

 

X2.

 

I don't think that will happen, though.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

It better not.

[Meh]

I was reading today I think from Sherman that the Sox could go all out and send Buchholz and a few prospects, I'd guess Britton and Kalish knowing Towers for Upton and then sign Lee. They'd have the money to do so. They'd have a pretty slick team then. Lee, Lester, Dic-K, Beckett and Lackey/Wakefield/Dubront.

[a700hitter]

It better not.

There are times when certain moves can portend of bad things to come in a season. In 2008, it was a good thing for Sox fans and a bad thing for Yankee fans when the Yanks opened the season with two rookies in the starting rotation. It was a sign to me that the Yankees were just rolling the dice on the season, and two rookie pitchers in the AL East were bound to go down in flames. I almost never stick a fork in the Yankees until they are mathematically eliminated, but in 2008 I stuck a fork in them by mid-May. Last year, I would have deemed it a throw away season if Casey Kotchman had been the Sox everyday first baseman. I feel the same way about Salty being the Sox 2011 starting catcher. If that happens, make vacation plans for early October, because we will not be watching the Sox in the playoffs. It's not even Thanksgiving, but I am making that call right now. If anyone accuses me of hindsight on this next October, I will find you, kidnap you and have this post tattooed on your chest.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

There are times when certain moves can portend of bad things to come in a season. In 2008' date=' it was a good thing for Sox fans and a bad thing for Yankee fans when the Yanks opened the season with two rookies in the starting rotation. It was a sign to me that the Yankees were just rolling the dice on the season, and two rookie pitchers in the AL East were bound to go down in flames. I almost never stick a fork in the Yankees until they are mathematically eliminated, but in 2008 I stuck a fork in them by mid-May. Last year, I would have deemed it a throw away season if Casey Kotchman had been the Sox everyday first baseman. I feel the same way about Salty being the Sox 2011 starting catcher. If that happens, make vacation plans for early October, because we will not be watching the Sox in the playoffs. It's not even Thanksgiving, but I am making that call right now. If anyone accuses me of hindsight on this next October, I will find you, kidnap you and have this post tattooed on your chest.[/quote']

 

:lol::lol:

[BSN07]

The Red Sox are also in on Nishioka, tweets SI's Jon Heyman. However, Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe disagrees.

 

That would make Lowrie or Scutaro trade bait. I've read this guy is supposed to be a really good hitter. Could be interesting pick up.

 

Red Sox GM Theo Epstein says he'd like to add starting pitching depth, tweets Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald.

 

Hmm? Webb? Millwood?

[Republican4life38]

That would make Lowrie or Scutaro trade bait. I've read this guy is supposed to be a really good hitter. Could be interesting pick up.

 

 

 

Hmm? Webb? Millwood?

 

After Kaz Matsui I would never sign a short stop from that country. They don't have the range don't forget Kaz was the best they had to offer.

[Palodios]

After Kaz Matsui I would never sign a short stop from that country. They don't have the range don't forget Kaz was the best they had to offer.

 

Incorrect. Ichiro was the best the country has to offer-- and this new SS is the best hitter since Ichiro. I'd put a few million down, but definitely not 50.

 

And as far as Salty... I would have absolutely no problem with getting a good defensive catcher who can't hit. But a poor defensive catcher who can't hit? That will be a serious serious problem. Isn't there a 4th Molina brother who is doing tax revenue evaluations in the middle of nowhere somewhere? Let's see what he's up to before we go with Salty.

[BSN07]

Incorrect. Ichiro was the best the country has to offer-- and this new SS is the best hitter since Ichiro. I'd put a few million down, but definitely not 50.

 

And as far as Salty... I would have absolutely no problem with getting a good defensive catcher who can't hit. But a poor defensive catcher who can't hit? That will be a serious serious problem. Isn't there a 4th Molina brother who is doing tax revenue evaluations in the middle of nowhere somewhere? Let's see what he's up to before we go with Salty.

 

Bengie is a FA.

[italstallianion]

There is a 4th Molina catcher, but he isn't related to the other 3. His name is Gustavo.

[JimEdHOF2009]

There is absolutely ZERO chance the Red Sox trade Clay for Upton.. NO WAY. Clay is a cost-controlled Cy Young candidate.. Lester/Clay/Bard/Pedroia/Youkilis/ are the only untouchables and probably Iglesias. I would try and get Upton without giving up Ellsbury...but I don't see how it could get done without him. If they make the deal for Upton and it involves Ellsbury you now have a gaping hole in CF..Kalish is nowhere near ready to be a full-time starter for a World Series contender..which I believe is the goal here. If Ellsbury is involved then you must sign either Crawford or Werth..you cannot possibly count on Cameron for anything more than a 4th outfielder.

 

I have a feeling Theo is throwing something like this at the D-Bags...

 

Upton for Kelly/Kalish/Anderson/Pimental and I am not sure if that gets it done.. but it would be nice... Maybe THAT deal could get done if we took the strikeout KING Mark Reynolds and his FAT contract. Towers hates Reynolds and is trying to move from a team that K's as much as they do. Young and Reynolds are 2 and 3 in NL in K's to only Adam Dunn.

[Palodios]

Bengie is a FA.

 

It was a joke. Do you really want an accountant sitting at home plate?

 

 

And Jim-- no way in hell theo trades the team's top four prospects for a player they could replace with Crawford for 35 million more in total. You won't see more than one of those names in a deal if the Sox want to trade because after Upton's season, the Dbacks are hesistant to pay for him, and the Sox hate overpaying in talent.

[Republican4life38]

Incorrect. Ichiro was the best the country has to offer-- and this new SS is the best hitter since Ichiro. I'd put a few million down, but definitely not 50.

 

And as far as Salty... I would have absolutely no problem with getting a good defensive catcher who can't hit. But a poor defensive catcher who can't hit? That will be a serious serious problem. Isn't there a 4th Molina brother who is doing tax revenue evaluations in the middle of nowhere somewhere? Let's see what he's up to before we go with Salty.

 

I forgot to specify. The best SS they had to offer.

[Will617]

I was reading today I think from Sherman that the Sox could go all out and send Buchholz and a few prospects' date=' I'd guess Britton and Kalish knowing Towers for Upton and then sign Lee. They'd have the money to do so. They'd have a pretty slick team then. Lee, Lester, Dic-K, Beckett and Lackey/Wakefield/Dubront.[/quote']

 

Lee will cost far too much in money and years. At this point, Buchholz is untouchable, unless the Rays were to offer Longoria, or the Braves were to offer Heyward, etc etc. I feel like the deal would center around Kalish and Kelly/Iglesias, with others thrown in.

Also, neither Wakefield nor Doubront have a chance at displacing Lackey for the job, because 1. Lackey's being paid a ton, and 2. Lackey is far better than Wakefield or Doubront, even if he is honestly not that great. If Doubront displaces anyone for a spot, it would likely be Dice-K.

[Republican4life38]

If they trade for Upton rather then sign Crawford then you know that soccer team killed us. Upton is still a young player and he will cost basically all of the surplus we have. Knock it off go out there and get Crawford or Werth.

[jacksonianmarch]

Incorrect. Ichiro was the best the country has to offer-- and this new SS is the best hitter since Ichiro. I'd put a few million down, but definitely not 50.

 

And as far as Salty... I would have absolutely no problem with getting a good defensive catcher who can't hit. But a poor defensive catcher who can't hit? That will be a serious serious problem. Isn't there a 4th Molina brother who is doing tax revenue evaluations in the middle of nowhere somewhere? Let's see what he's up to before we go with Salty.

 

The SR on Nishioka is that he has trouble with good fastballs. That's a problem in the AL.

[Palodios]

Sounds like the Upton deal fell through. Comcast Sports Net reports that they wanted an outfielder, and two pitchers, all mlb ready.

[a700hitter]

Werner says 2011 will not be a bridge year. Glad to hear that. He also acknowledged that Theo made a mistake (hmmm someone hols him accountable for something) when he said 2010 would be a bridge year. If he was honest, he would have called 2010 an organizational botch job.

 

Red Sox chairman Tom Werner spoke to WEEI and said the Red Sox would be aggressive in pursuing name players.

 

“I think that we are going to sign, I won’t promise, but we’re going to sign a significant free agent. We are going to make a trade to improve ourselves,” Werner said. “I want to assure everybody that there is no bridge year here this year. [in] 2011, we’re committed to win.”

 

Epstein, to his regret, termed 2010 a bridge year to prospects who would be ready down the road.

 

“He made a very rare mistake saying that,” Werner said. “After that, we did sign Adrian Beltre. We did sign John Lackey. Theo would be the first to say it wasn’t his finest Winston Churchill moment.”

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/11/werner_blows_up.html

[Republican4life38]

Werner says 2011 will not be a bridge year. Glad to hear that. He also acknowledged that Theo made a mistake (hmmm someone hols him accountable for something) when he said 2010 would be a bridge year. If he was honest, he would have called 2010 an organizational botch job.

 

 

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/11/werner_blows_up.html

 

Yeah. Tomorrows Christmas too.

[Will617]

Sounds like the Upton deal fell through. Comcast Sports Net reports that they wanted an outfielder' date=' and two pitchers, all mlb ready.[/quote']

 

I've read that they wanted about five players, with 2-3 being MLB ready (yeah, that's really high demands).

If they do want just 3 MLB ready players, losing Ellsbury and Doubront would not be a huge blow, given that Upton replaces Ellsbury and there is no space for Doubront for quite a few years. I think that Theo was BSing about wanting to keep Doubront, unless a rotation spot is opening for him through a trade. The question, then, is who the third player Arizona wants would be, given that Bard may be considered untouchable. If the Sox are comfortable with Iglesias, Lowrie could be a potential option. Or, the Sox could also offer two prospects that are not yet MLB ready, in addition to two players that are ready.

I doubt Arizona will lighten their demands past three, given that Upton is probably worth more than just two MLB ready players, and that (I feel) there are a lot of potential suitors. Unless, of course, one of the players is exceptionally good.

[Palodios]

I'm hearing...Ellsbury, Dice-k, Bard.... Buchholz, Kalish, Bowden... What the f*** are the DBacks thinking? He's a .800 hitting outfielder guaranteed 50 million, with a 60% steal percentage last year.

 

Theo: Click.

Theo: That didn't quite do it.

Theo: SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM. Hmm, better.

 

 

Granderson was incredibly similar to Upton in value, and contract cost. If I recall, he took Ian Kennedy, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke. The equivalent of Doubront+Kalish+Bowden. Adding elite players like Buchholz, Bard or Ellsbury is just plain insane.

[SCM33]

According to ESPN, the Yankees Front Office has told those involved in negotiation to offer him 3 years at 15M per.....and that he is to take it or leave it. Jetes wants 4 or 5 years at a higher pay rate.

 

Although I know it would never happen, I would LOVE for the sox to offer him 15M over 4 years to play 1B, 3B or LF. There was considerable talk about moving him to CF when they got Arod and Bernie retired, I think hed do great in LF. I would love it more than words can describe.....our own little Babe Ruth curse if you will. MUHAHAHAHA (I am evil).

[Rdsxmbnt]

I'm hearing...Ellsbury, Dice-k, Bard.... Buchholz, Kalish, Bowden... What the f*** are the DBacks thinking? He's a .800 hitting outfielder guaranteed 50 million, with a 60% steal percentage last year.

 

Theo: Click.

Theo: That didn't quite do it.

Theo: SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM. Hmm, better.

 

 

Granderson was incredibly similar to Upton in value, and contract cost. If I recall, he took Ian Kennedy, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke. The equivalent of Doubront+Kalish+Bowden. Adding elite players like Buchholz, Bard or Ellsbury is just plain insane.

 

He's also only 23 and a future 5-tool superstar. The packages I've been hearing are obviously ridiculous, but he's probably the hitting equivalent of trading for Felix Hernandez.

[example1]

I'm hearing...Ellsbury, Dice-k, Bard.... Buchholz, Kalish, Bowden... What the f*** are the DBacks thinking? He's a .800 hitting outfielder guaranteed 50 million, with a 60% steal percentage last year.

 

Theo: Click.

Theo: That didn't quite do it.

Theo: SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM. Hmm, better.

 

 

Granderson was incredibly similar to Upton in value, and contract cost. If I recall, he took Ian Kennedy, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke. The equivalent of Doubront+Kalish+Bowden. Adding elite players like Buchholz, Bard or Ellsbury is just plain insane.

 

This is a guy with 60 HR before Curtis Granderson ever stepped on the field. Granderson came up at 23, Upton will be 23 next season. An investment in Upton would be an investment in the pre-prime and prime years of one of the best natural talents to come on the scene in the past decade.

 

That said, I agree that it is absurd to talk about moving Buchholz. That's just stupid. Bard is a bit more reasonable, but I don't think the Sox can afford to move him. Ellsbury might make sense.

 

I think finding a way to land Upton would dramatically change the core of this team for the better.

[BSN07]

According to ESPN, the Yankees Front Office has told those involved in negotiation to offer him 3 years at 15M per.....and that he is to take it or leave it. Jetes wants 4 or 5 years at a higher pay rate.

 

Although I know it would never happen, I would LOVE for the sox to offer him 15M over 4 years to play 1B, 3B or LF. There was considerable talk about moving him to CF when they got Arod and Bernie retired, I think hed do great in LF. I would love it more than words can describe.....our own little Babe Ruth curse if you will. MUHAHAHAHA (I am evil).

 

We get stuck with a broken down singles hitting Jeter for 4 years @ 15M+ annually? Ya that would show those damn Yankees. C'mon man that's ridiculous

[BSN07]

This is a guy with 60 HR before Curtis Granderson ever stepped on the field. Granderson came up at 23, Upton will be 23 next season. An investment in Upton would be an investment in the pre-prime and prime years of one of the best natural talents to come on the scene in the past decade.

 

That said, I agree that it is absurd to talk about moving Buchholz. That's just stupid. Bard is a bit more reasonable, but I don't think the Sox can afford to move him. Ellsbury might make sense.

 

I think finding a way to land Upton would dramatically change the core of this team for the better.

 

I think Ellsbury would have to be going to a 3rd team in any trade for Upton. I don't think Towers will have much value for him. He's controllable for what the next 3 or 4 years? That would mean he would be hitting Free Agency(Boars client) right at the time when Towers is trying to build for. I think he will have much more interest in Kalish.

[Palodios]

This is a guy with 60 HR before Curtis Granderson ever stepped on the field. Granderson came up at 23, Upton will be 23 next season. An investment in Upton would be an investment in the pre-prime and prime years of one of the best natural talents to come on the scene in the past decade.

 

You don't trade two elite players for anybody. EVER. Ellsbury's last healthy season had an OPS of .770, and with the steals actually he works out to be just as good an offensive player, if not better. For them to ask for him AND a guy who has the making of an elite closer like Bard is completely and utterly unreasonable.

[JimEdHOF2009]

McAdam is saying the D-Bags want 3 of Ellsbury/Bard/Kelly/Kalish.

 

I would be ecstatic if we could do this without giving up Bard. You could deal Bard/Kelly/Kalish and have an OF of Upton(RF)/Ellsbury(CF) and Drew(LF). I think Ellsbury is the guy they REALLY want. I also believe if the Sox offered Ellsbury/Bard/Kelly..the deal would be done yesterday.

 

Theo is trying to get a 3rd team involved because AZ has stated he wants ML ready players and Kelly would be VERY attractive to a rebuilding team who may have a ML outfielder or good back-end reliever to send to AZ once they acquire Kelly from Sox. I cannot see Theo giving up both Bard and Ellsbury without exploring all other possibilities but in the end..if that is what it takes to get a future 30/30/120/GG caliber OF with a BAZOOKA for an arm.. so be it. Then we sign Soriano and Downs to bolster pen.

[Meh]

I'm hearing...Ellsbury, Dice-k, Bard.... Buchholz, Kalish, Bowden... What the f*** are the DBacks thinking? He's a .800 hitting outfielder guaranteed 50 million, with a 60% steal percentage last year.

 

Theo: Click.

Theo: That didn't quite do it.

Theo: SLAM SLAM SLAM SLAM. Hmm, better.

 

 

Granderson was incredibly similar to Upton in value, and contract cost. If I recall, he took Ian Kennedy, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke. The equivalent of Doubront+Kalish+Bowden. Adding elite players like Buchholz, Bard or Ellsbury is just plain insane.

 

Ellsbury is not elite, sorry. I think the second deal you said is more to their liking anyway.

[Will617]

I think Ellsbury would have to be going to a 3rd team in any trade for Upton. I don't think Towers will have much value for him. He's controllable for what the next 3 or 4 years? That would mean he would be hitting Free Agency(Boars client) right at the time when Towers is trying to build for. I think he will have much more interest in Kalish.

 

He wants major league ready players. No one is quite sure why.

 

If there was any sort of player to trade Ellsbury for (a younger outfielder who is already very good and has much better potential), well, this would be it.