Your Red Sox top prospect lists

[a700hitter]

1. He's likely to be used as a low leverage reliever in the future

2. He's not Weiland

 

 

I don't think that the track record of some other player in any way predicts what happens with Wilson.

 

All prospects are different.

I realize that, and I hope the Sox kept the right kid, but if looking at his development up to this point is all we have, I don't expect much from him in 2012 other than some emergency innings. We don't have guys that can come up and give quality innings for any sustained period. I don't see that capability coming down the pike for some time.

[suj11]

Lets not give up on him so soon.. He might have some suprises in store for us in 2012.

[jacksonianmarch]

As it stands right now, the sox lack any organizational depth for the starting rotation. Their prospects out of the rotation are a ways off. I think that is what a700 is referencing. Weiland was your only depth and he was baptized in the AL East last yr. Now, he's gone. Past that, there is nobody in AAA or AA for the matter who will likely be capable of contributing positively out of the rotation should someone go down for a prolonged period of time.

[a700hitter]

As it stands right now' date=' the sox lack any organizational depth for the starting rotation. Their prospects out of the rotation are a ways off. I think that is what a700 is referencing. Weiland was your only depth and he was baptized in the AL East last yr. Now, he's gone. Past that, there is nobody in AAA or AA for the matter who will likely be capable of contributing positively out of the rotation should someone go down for a prolonged period of time.[/quote']Yes, that is what I have been saying.

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree with you, but I wouldnt kill the sox brass for the method they took. They had a pretty deep system starting in 2009, which is when they went to work in the lower minors. The problem is, they graduated a few guys to the bigs, took part in many a blockbuster trade and then started drafting high school arms. That leaves you with a talent gap. HS arms are the higher risk/reward combo, but on the whole, you typically produce a better product unless you're drafting in the top 10 every yr. Rarely do high end college starters last in the draft down to the sox. Either you're going young or you are going with college SP's with warts. The Yankees actually went this route starting in 2010 with the wrinkle that they added in college relievers so they could actually still have some depth at the higher levels much sooner. Regardless, you are cursing this right now, but in 2 yrs, you'll be happy they went this way.

[a700hitter]

I agree with you' date=' but I wouldnt kill the sox brass for the method they took. They had a pretty deep system starting in 2009, which is when they went to work in the lower minors. The problem is, they graduated a few guys to the bigs, took part in many a blockbuster trade and then started drafting high school arms. That leaves you with a talent gap. HS arms are the higher risk/reward combo, but on the whole, you typically produce a better product unless you're drafting in the top 10 every yr. Rarely do high end college starters last in the draft down to the sox. Either you're going young or you are going with college SP's with warts. The Yankees actually went this route starting in 2010 with the wrinkle that they added in college relievers so they could actually still have some depth at the higher levels much sooner. Regardless, you are cursing this right now, but in 2 yrs, you'll be happy they went this way.[/quote']Cursing for 2 years doesn't sound like fun.

[jacksonianmarch]

That's why the sox went in on Lackey. They figured they could buy some time with an innings eater until the next crop of pitchers comes through. Turns out, Lackey was a dud, DiceK went down and now there is a massive hole they are hoping to fill with 2 career relievers. It's a worst case scenario if you look at the intended plan in 2009.

[Station 13]

They better sign some depth, like, Colon. Yes Bart. he would be on an incentive deal. Pitch well, get rewarded.

 

But the guys with no upsides like Miller or Wakefield should never be allow to throw a pitch again for this team.

[seabeachfred]

They better sign some depth, like, Colon. Yes Bart. he would be on an incentive deal. Pitch well, get rewarded.

 

But the guys with no upsides like Miller or Wakefield should never be allow to throw a pitch again for this team.

 

Miller is a desperation gamble---that's all he can be. The guy has been a colossal failure everywhere he's been. Detroit drafted him first, found out what a dud he was and sent him away. For some damn reason, though, Epstein thought putting on a Red Sox uniform might work magic as if there was some new magic in a uniform that was a symbol of failure and underachievement from 1919 to 2003. It blew up in his face, but for some reason they brought this bum back so the only reason could be DESPERATION CITY!!!!!

 

As for Wakefield or Weakflood as some of us call him (I call him worse), my take is that the front office considers this has-been a sacred cow and is laying the ground work for actually bringing this turd back again to get his royal ass kicked. Well, he works cheap and all, and they can always use the excuse that others were more expensive. You can bet your last dime that if he is resigned he will be in the rotation come hell or high water. He wants that record and Lucchino is inclined to let him have it. I call this one big cluster@@ck!!!!!!!

[a700hitter]

Miller is a desperation gamble---that's all he can be. The guy has been a colossal failure everywhere he's been. Detroit drafted him first, found out what a dud he was and sent him away. For some damn reason, though, Epstein thought putting on a Red Sox uniform might work magic as if there was some new magic in a uniform that was a symbol of failure and underachievement from 1919 to 2003. It blew up in his face, but for some reason they brought this bum back so the only reason could be DESPERATION CITY!!!!!

 

As for Wakefield or Weakflood as some of us call him (I call him worse), my take is that the front office considers this has-been a sacred cow and is laying the ground work for actually bringing this turd back again to get his royal ass kicked. Well, he works cheap and all, and they can always use the excuse that others were more expensive. You can bet your last dime that if he is resigned he will be in the rotation come hell or high water. He wants that record and Lucchino is inclined to let him have it. I call this one big cluster@@ck!!!!!!!

It's beyond me how people were mentioning Miller in the same sentence with Randy Johnson. The guy's stuff is not in the same solar system as Randy Johnson.

[jacksonianmarch]

LOL, Dojji was having a spoogegasm over that comparison and talking about how the sox were going to waltz to the playoffs with a fearsome foursome of Lester, Buchholz, Beckett, and Miller. LOLOL

[ORS]

As it stands right now' date=' the sox lack any organizational depth for the starting rotation. Their prospects out of the rotation are a ways off. I think that is what a700 is referencing. Weiland was your only depth and he was baptized in the AL East last yr. Now, he's gone. [b']Past that, there is nobody in AAA or AA for the matter who will likely be capable of contributing positively out of the rotation should someone go down for a prolonged period of time[/b].

This is a bit much. Who does Wilson have to blow to get a nod as potential help? He's coming off a very solid year in AA/AAA. I have no high expectations for him in the long-run, but it's not absurd to think he could be a contributor along the lines of a pitcher like Ivan Nova. Not a stud, but solid.

[a700hitter]

This is a bit much. Who does Wilson have to blow to get a nod as potential help? He's coming off a very solid year in AA/AAA. I have no high expectations for him in the long-run' date=' but it's not absurd to think he could be a contributor along the lines of a pitcher like Ivan Nova. Not a stud, but solid.[/quote']You think he is a good depth option for 2012 if Bard or Aceves get injured or can't cut it in the rotation?

[Station 13]

Sign Harden before he is pluck off somewhere else. He had a great 9.9K/9 last season with all this histories of injuries. So his 'stuff' is still very solid. If he can't cut it as a starter he would be a good bullpen arm for Aceves type role.

 

We need to see a resolution for Bard soon. I prefer they keep in the bullpen. We'd have a sick bullpen that way.

 

Doubront and s*** need to pitch 5-6 innings of 3 run ball game and let the offense and relievers take over.

[ORS]

You think he is a good depth option for 2012 if Bard or Aceves get injured or can't cut it in the rotation?

I'm saying he is an option, in response to a comment about there being no option. Now, given a unique situation like the one you present, where they are trying to convert two relievers into starting pitchers, I think there needs to be more than one backup plan. So, yes, I think he is a good depth option, but that depth needs to have more than one piece, IMO, and I'd prefer it if Wilson wasn't at the top of the depth list. All that said, he should be included.

[iortiz]

Bard (#4), Aceves (#5), and Wison as depth? No way. This is not a good idea. Bard or Aceves in the rotation is already a huge risk IMO. Bring the goddamn SP. I hope that the Ortiz thing, is not clogging our payroll in order to bring the SP. I want to believe that they have everything figure it out (which is to bring another SP)

[jacksonianmarch]

Wilson has thrown 4 games in AAA, but I see your point. He is an option, but he's probably better off spending most of the yr in Pawtucket. And after looking through his arsenal, he sounds like more like a future reliever than a starter as he doesn't have a good 3rd or fourth offering

[User Name]

Chances are, Wilson will be a contributor to the BP in 2012, with guys like Silva and a couple other re-treads serving as rotation depth. Fling enough s*** at the wall.....

[a700hitter]

Wilson has thrown 4 games in AAA' date=' but I see your point. He is an option, but he's probably better off spending most of the yr in Pawtucket. And after looking through his arsenal, he sounds like more like a future reliever than a starter as he doesn't have a good 3rd or fourth offering[/quote']Hopefully, Wilson is only the #4 depth option behind Doubront as the #3. Aceves should be moved back to the bullpen if we get another starter, He could be the #1 depth guy. I'd like it if Saunders was signed for the pen and as the #2 depth option. If we see Wilson taking regular starts, it means that we should plan for more beach time during the summer, because there will be no fun at Fenway.

[jacksonianmarch]

Doubront was groomed as a reliever last yr due to his string of injuries. I am unsure whether they plan to put him back in the rotation

[a700hitter]

Doubront was groomed as a reliever last yr due to his string of injuries. I am unsure whether they plan to put him back in the rotation

well then I would place Duckworth ahead of Wilson.

[Station 13]

well then I would place Duckworth ahead of Wilson.

 

I would not take a pitcher seriously with a name like Duckworth.

[Station 13]

Don't forget Tazawa, the last to actually win a couple of games in his debut.

[jacksonianmarch]

He used to be a top prospect when he was in Philly, but he never really materialized into anything

[a700hitter]

Don't forget Tazawa' date=' the last to actually win a couple of games in his debut.[/quote']Yes, he would also be ahead of Wilson on the depth chart. I forgot about him.

[jacksonianmarch]

Don't forget Tazawa' date=' the last to actually win a couple of games in his debut.[/quote']

 

I was reading that they are grooming him to be a reliever as well. Not sure why, as the sox need starters more than anything. Maybe that was just last season, but I remember reading reports about how the sox were impressed with how he looked in short stints

[Station 13]

I was reading that they are grooming him to be a reliever as well. Not sure why' date=' as the sox need starters more than anything. Maybe that was just last season, but I remember reading reports about how the sox were impressed with how he looked in short stints[/quote']

 

His stuff looks crisp coming out the bullpen. They will have to evaluate him in spring training if he is to start or stay a reliever. He has not started since 2009. That curveball he got should be seen, it's wicked.

[Station 13]

Yes' date=' he would also be ahead of Wilson on the depth chart. I forgot about him.[/quote']

 

He had like a 70K to 15BB last year at all stop. Seems promising. Good poise and doesn't mess around like all the AAA clowns we've seen.

[User Name]

My depth chart, as it stands now:

 

Silva

Doubront (he was being groomed for LRP role)

Tazawa

Duckworth (Best name ever)

Wilson

 

Need more warm bodies.

[Station 13]

This is the only video I could find Tazawa using the curveball.

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=6053845&c_id=mlb

 

He also has a slider and splitter.

 

The splitter could use more development. But he got a K in that video above and it does look good.