Anti-Fantasy Draft and Discussion Thread

[TheKilo]

Ok, starting with round 3 the window shrinks to 10 hrs. Well see if this works and if it doesn't we can reduce it further.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I choose Jared Gaither LT and DeAngelo Williams RB

 

Not the best picks but WB took the LT I wanted and all the best RB are taken. There are a few others I could have picked but whatever. Back to you Ital.

[italstallianion]

Brandon Marshall WR

 

Your pick Kilo.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Jeez' date=' you kids should skip school whenever your pick comes up in our redraft league. Get your priorities straight. [/quote']

 

Haha I'd love to but than again I wouldn't have anything better to do. It's a pain in the ass to have to go to school at 7:20.

[TheKilo]

Torn between two players, ultimately Went with youth and incredible playmaking ability. Two straight years of double digit sacks. Will have lots of opportunities with Ngata clogging the middle...

 

LaMarr Woodley, OLB

[italstallianion]

I believe that it's now JBay's turn.

[TheKilo]

It is. Thoughts on my last pick? I really like your last two picks and I'm lukewarm on the Williams/Gaither selections. In terms of pure upside, Gaither was probably the best choice for a LT still on the board but I think Williams is a bit overrated, especially here at the start of round 3. Not to say he isn't a good player but I have at least three backs i like ahead of him.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

It is. Thoughts on my last pick? I really like your last two picks and I'm lukewarm on the Williams/Gaither selections. In terms of pure upside' date=' Gaither was probably the best choice for a LT still on the board but I think Williams is a bit overrated, especially here at the start of round 3. Not to say he isn't a good player but I have at least three backs i like ahead of him.[/quote']

 

Right, that's why I had said they were a few other RB I could have chosen. I don't want to reveal their name but I'm satisfied with my pick. Overall not a bad player.

[italstallianion]

It is. Thoughts on my last pick? I really like your last two picks and I'm lukewarm on the Williams/Gaither selections. In terms of pure upside' date=' Gaither was probably the best choice for a LT still on the board but I think Williams is a bit overrated, especially here at the start of round 3. Not to say he isn't a good player but I have at least three backs i like ahead of him.[/quote']

 

 

 

I'm torn as well. The way I see it, this is as much of a risk vs. reward draft as it is a build your own team draft. What I mean by that is, let's say that I think that Phil Rivers is the best QB in the NFL. (No offense RSFFL) If I think that he'll be available in the 2nd round, then I'd take someone like Ryan Clady or Chris Johnson or Patrick Willis, someone that I know WON'T make it back to me in the 2nd round.

 

So even though the main objective is to build the best team possible, it's also about predicting other people's picks and guessing who will be available and who won't, which is a gamble to build the BEST team possible, rather than having to compromise.

 

In addition, it's also a matter of predicting who will be good or stay good in the 3 year period. Injuries are a wild card, but projections will affect rookies.

 

Furthermore, and what distinguishes this from a pure fantasy draft, is that the numbers aren't as much of a factor due to team biases. This tends to overrate players who put up high numbers but have high supporting casts while underrating those who may be better athletically, but don't have the surrounding talent to put up the good numbers.

 

Let's just say that a lot of thought goes into these picks.

 

 

Edit: And another factor of this draft is the way that the picks are going themselves. For example, I assumed that RSFFL was going to choose Chris Johnson to start the draft. I was already penciling in AP or MJDizzle as my 2nd pick. When he chose Phil Rivers, that changed things and I quickly changed my thought process to choose Peyton Manning, which then caused the next picks to be Brady, Brees, and Rodgers. I think that this is why RB's tend to go early in Fantasy Football, since enough people believe the hype that they want to take them before other people do. That belief, in and of itself, is enough to cause RB's to be taken early, rather than having a direct correlation with a top team (CJ, AP, and MJDizzle notwithstanding).

[italstallianion]

It is. Thoughts on my last pick? I really like your last two picks and I'm lukewarm on the Williams/Gaither selections. In terms of pure upside' date=' Gaither was probably the best choice for a LT still on the board but I think Williams is a bit overrated, especially here at the start of round 3. Not to say he isn't a good player but I have at least three backs i like ahead of him.[/quote']

 

 

Specifically though, I really like Ngata, and Woodley is certainly a sleeper. I think he would have been available for your next pick, but I obviously can't guarantee that since I don't know along which lines the other posters are thinking. Since there are around 24 picks in between your pick now and your next one, it's ok to gamble on Woodley now.

[TheKilo]

I agree, part of the challenge of this draft is risking a later pick for one you know won't make it back to you. It also places MORE emphasis on your team building strategy. Take Youker20, he nabbed two of the top 5 tackles in the game. His offensive line will be very, very good based on that alone but who will his skill guys be?

[italstallianion]

I agree' date=' part of the challenge of this draft is risking a later pick for one you know won't make it back to you. It also places MORE emphasis on your team building strategy. Take Youker20, he nabbed two of the top 5 tackles in the game. His offensive line will be very, very good based on that alone but who will his skill guys be?[/quote']

 

 

If there's anything I've learned from the baseball redraft, it's that you can NEVER predict what Youker's picks will be. While he probably had the unanimously worst team in the league (part of it was because he never finished his team), he certainly was one that thought outside of the box, and I sometimes defended him from some critics because he definitely didn't follow popular/modern conventions in building his team. The point is, you can't really tell who the good and bad teams will be until you get deep into the draft.

 

While one might be able to judge the individual picks (especially relative to the round and number of the pick) it's useless and inaccurate to judge the teams considering that most teams have only made 2 picks.

[TheKilo]

I agree. I think it'll be at least six or s en rounds before we see these teams taking shape.

[Cocos Disciples]

Agree as well, right now I'm looking at best overall value as opposed to how the shape of the team appears.

 

Any thoughts on my picks thus far?

[Flynnatic10]

If there's anything I've learned from the baseball redraft' date=' it's that you can NEVER predict what Youker's picks will be. While he probably had the unanimously worst team in the league (part of it was because he never finished his team), he certainly was one that thought outside of the box, and I sometimes defended him from some critics because he definitely didn't follow popular/modern conventions in building his team.[/quote']

 

His team was bad, he picked beltre then arthur rhodes back to back :dunno:

[italstallianion]

Agree as well, right now I'm looking at best overall value as opposed to how the shape of the team appears.

 

Any thoughts on my picks thus far?

 

 

 

I'm not sure who you're asking, but I'll say that you have 2 very fine picks thus far. A little unconventional (ie not the typical expected picks), but you picked 2 very good players that are very high on the positional ranking ladders. I think you started some of the scrambling for defensive picks after you picked Willis, and I was hoping that I would get Fitzgerald with my 2nd pick, but alas, he didn't make it back to me. I might have to deduct your team a bit for that.

 

In any event, I think you might have to dig a bit more than other teams for the common position picks, but you'll have yourself set in the areas you've designated now.

[Cocos Disciples]

I was asking anyone. I was between Willis and DeMarcus Ware for my first pick and I think I made the right call. Fitzgerald is the best receiver in the league, IMO, and I wanted to grab at least one stud receiver in the early rounds.

[italstallianion]

I personally like Andre Johnson better, but they are clearly the top 2. I can tell you though that Fitzgerald definitely would not have made it to your next pick.

 

To your other point, I think that the start of the draft is about getting the most value for your pick (ie taking the best player available) and later in the draft it becomes more about building your team by selecting positions you need (as you can't keep drafting people who play the same position even if they are the best player available)

 

I would also take Willis over Ware for the record.

[Flynnatic10]

i have a realy good plan, i hope it will work.

[Jasonbay44]

I was actually really debating about taking Woodley this pick.. I think he was a really good pick.

 

Anyway, I'm going to take Jon Beason, OLB/MLB

 

He has played both OLB and MLB in his career and I believe he is playing OLB this year, but I'm going to put him at MLB (or ILB, whatever its called) if thats fine.

[italstallianion]

Just an organisational question. On the chart on the first page, why is Darrelle Revis in a different Cornerback column as Charles Woodson and Nnamdi Asomugha?

[italstallianion]

Also, that makes it Yankees228's turn.

[yrtb]

I feel like in a draft like this you have to see how people are drafting, because when it comes down to it THESE are the people who are going to be voting on your team and if you don't conform to the way people are drafting, you'll end up with a s***** player at a certain position. Right now it is looking like LT and RB are those positions.

 

For the controversies by position, I think they go like this

 

LT: Clady, Thomas, Long

LB: Willis, Ware, Beason, Woodley

WR: Johnson, Fitz, Marshall

QB: Brees, Peyton, Rodgers, Brady, Rivers

[italstallianion]

I feel like in a draft like this you have to see how people are drafting, because when it comes down to it THESE are the people who are going to be voting on your team and if you don't conform to the way people are drafting, you'll end up with a s***** player at a certain position. Right now it is looking like LT and RB are those positions.

 

For the controversies by position, I think they go like this

 

LT: Clady, Thomas, Long

LB: Willis, Ware, Beason, Woodley

WR: Johnson, Fitz, Marshall

QB: Brees, Peyton, Rodgers, Brady, Rivers

 

 

I agree for most of those rankings. In any event, my question to you is whether or not there are players available that you'd put above players in those positions that are already drafted?

 

(If there are players available that you'd put ahead of those that are drafted, don't specifically mention who they are)

[yrtb]

Hmm...I think there were a couple RBs better than DeAngelo, and a couple WRs better than Marshall

 

I think the LBs are about right, same with the tackles

[italstallianion]

What about Ray Rice?

[WhiskeyBreath]

Just an organisational question. On the chart on the first page' date=' why is Darrelle Revis in a different Cornerback column as Charles Woodson and Nnamdi Asomugha?[/quote']

 

Because those scrubs are nowhere near his level.

[suns]

Just an organisational question. On the chart on the first page' date=' why is Darrelle Revis in a different Cornerback column as Charles Woodson and Nnamdi Asomugha?[/quote']

 

Doesn't Nnamndi and Woodson play the left side of the field and Revis play the right side?

[yrtb]

Well, I don't think that is a factor here really because cornerbacks are never usually divided on that basis

[yankees228]

Sorry about the wait guys. I want Ngata (nice pick TK) to be the NT in my 3-4, but with him gone I'll focus on my pass rush. The NFL is a passing league, and the best way to combat a good passing game is with a good pass rush. My pick is a bit on the old side, but he's at the peak of his production, and I'm confident he can sustain this level of success for three years. Additionally, I view him as the perfect compliment to Ware.

 

James Harrison, OLB