Manny Apologizes for the Way it Ended

[a700hitter]

Manny said it was his fault, and he takes responsibility for the ugly ending. That's more than Nomar ever did, and he precipitated his own exit every bit as much as Manny did.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/09/manny_i_would_h.html

[boston22407]

My Favorite player of all time

I hope he gets in to the HOF!

[Youk Of The Nation]

I apologized to an ex girlfriend of mine for sleeping with her best friend...three years later. It didn't help much.

[Divinity]

My Favorite player of all time

I hope he gets in to the HOF!

 

It would be a disgrace to baseball to let someone who's knowingly taken PED's into the HoF. He should never be let in, same goes for Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Roger Clemens, Alex Rodriguez, David Ortiz and the rest of them.

[a700hitter]

It would be a disgrace to baseball to let someone who's knowingly taken PED's into the HoF. He should never be let in' date=' same goes for Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Roger Clemens, Alex Rodriguez, David Ortiz and the rest of them.[/quote']and Pettitte. Many more were taking PEDs. Should all the players of the late 90's and early 2000s be kept out?

[Divinity]

and Pettitte. Many more were taking PEDs. Should all the players of the late 90's and early 2000s be kept out?

 

If they aren't they should have an asterisk * next to there name for being part of the Steroid Era.

[a700hitter]

If they aren't they should have an asterisk * next to there name for being part of the Steroid Era.

That's fair. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to deal with this. The integrity of baseball statistics and records has been tainted forever. I lay the blame on Selig, MLB executives, and club owners. It was obvious that the usage was rampant, but they liked the growing attendance and excitement about the HR races. They let the game be disgraced.

[Dojji]

It should be mentioned on their plaques and be part of the discussion every time they're brought up.

 

Honestly, that's punishment enough, we don't need an asterisk as long as half the fanbase has already asterisk'd them. Baseball fans have looooooooong memories.

[boston22407]

It would be a disgrace to baseball to let someone who's knowingly taken PED's into the HoF. He should never be let in' date=' same goes for Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Roger Clemens, Alex Rodriguez, David Ortiz and the rest of them.[/quote']

 

I know but what are they not going to let people from the 90's and 2000's in the HOF steriods ped's whatever you want to call them is part of sports these days in all sports and on every level junior high to pros it sad but it is what it is.

Manny Batting in the 90's and 2000's he mostly likely hit hr against pitchers using them too.

I'm not saying it right but its the world we live in anybody is going to try to be the best they can anyway possible

[SCM33]

It should be mentioned on their plaques and be part of the discussion every time they're brought up.

 

Honestly, that's punishment enough, we don't need an asterisk as long as half the fanbase has already asterisk'd them. Baseball fans have looooooooong memories.

 

I agree.

 

I think they should be allowed in the HOF. They are part of baseball history, but there should be mention that they achieved their greatest success during an era in which steroid use was rampant.

 

None of us were around to see the Black Sox scandal......but we still talk about it. We still talk about Ty Cobb and how he was an *******. We still tell stories of how hard Bob Feller threw and about how far Ruth hit homeruns, yet none of us were alive to see these feats.

 

A baseball fan almost never forgets, hell I still remember my first Sox game.....Frank Viola pitched that game (hence my username "Sweet Music", with the "Chin" added in there to remember Pedro with 33 as my playing number in college) and Carlton Fisk homered for the White Sox as a broken down player.

[BSN07]

They will all get in eventually. Younger writers will eventually out number the old war birds who are keeping these guys out. And really they all should get in.

 

And if you want to slap asterisk's by players name's, then you can start with ALL player's that played and accumulated stats previous to the arrival of Jackie Robinson.

 

On the thread topic. It's nice he can admit he was wrong. Doesn't change what happened and what it caused me to feel at the time. But it's nice to see him take responsibility.

 

And with that what are the odds he is in Boston next year? Sox need a RHH. He would probably come on a 1 year incentive laden deal.He could replace Ortiz as a cheaper option DH maybe. Not saying it's plan A, but if the Sox lose out on the upper tier FA and lose a couple of their own they will be looking for a good bat. Besides, if the Sox can't make big moves and need to wait until Prince, Agon or Pujols hit the open market to make a big move, they will need another "bridge" type year for the offense. And Manny would fit well into that mold. Just saying.

[Dojji]

I think there's a difference between segregation, in which the players accumulated stats in a system with flawed rules, and the steroids era where a number of star players flouted the rules that existed.

 

No one was breaking a baseball regulation or a US law by playing during the segregation era. Sure the competition was lighter than it could have been, but everything done by the Hall of Famers was done according to baseball's rules and traditions of the day unless it specifically wasn't (such as Shoeless Joe Jackson for example). The paradigm was wrong, but the players following that paradigm don't deserve to be punished for that.

 

Steroids on the other hand? These guys broke the rules, and the fact that they did it in secret makes it plain that they KNEW they were breaking the rules. that's a whole different kind of culpabiility and a different level of consequences that need to be assigned. Segregation was a systemic problem, maybe the Commissioner and the lawmakers and decision makes that kept blacks out of the league should have been punished but that's about it. In the steroid era. individual players deserve individual consequences for their individual behavior.

[jacksonianmarch]

Our steroid and supplement era will continue FOREVER. Keeping these guys out of the HOF would make the place pretty empty

[Yaz Sideburn]

Manny said it was his fault, and he takes responsibility for the ugly ending. That's more than Nomar ever did, and he precipitated his own exit every bit as much as Manny did.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/09/manny_i_would_h.html

 

manny's such a good guy...

 

it's obnoxious how even in his apologies he has to reference what a "real man" he is multiple times

[Spudboy]

manny's such a good guy...

 

it's obnoxious how even in his apologies he has to reference what a "real man" he is multiple times

 

Yeah, I'm put-off by that too. Bible or no Bible, he's still a piece of s***.

[a700hitter]

And if you want to slap asterisk's by players name's' date=' then you can start with ALL player's that played and accumulated stats previous to the arrival of Jackie Robinson.[/quote']This is not at all analogous. Segregation was not the fault of the players, but rather the owners. It would be ridiculous to punish players for something that they didn't do. They were playing by the rules of the game. Juicers were cheating.

[Spudboy]

This is not at all analogous. Segregation was not the fault of the players' date=' but rather the owners. It would be ridiculous to punish players for something that they didn't do. They were playing by the rules of the game. Juicers were cheating.[/quote']

 

True.

 

And aren't there Negro League players in the HOF?

[a700hitter]

True.

 

And aren't there Negro League players in the HOF?

Yes, they started inducting Negro league players after Teddy Ballgame got inducted and he mentioned in his speech that the Negro league players belonged there too.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Yes' date=' they started inducting Negro league players after Teddy Ballgame got inducted and he mentioned in his speech that the Negro league players belonged there too.[/quote']

 

but i thought the red sox were all racist :dunno:

[redsoxrules]

I apologized to an ex girlfriend of mine for sleeping with her best friend...three years later. It didn't help much.

 

[SCM33]

And with that what are the odds he is in Boston next year? Sox need a RHH. He would probably come on a 1 year incentive laden deal.He could replace Ortiz as a cheaper option DH maybe. Not saying it's plan A' date=' but if the Sox lose out on the upper tier FA and lose a couple of their own they will be looking for a good bat. Besides, if the Sox can't make big moves and need to wait until Prince, Agon or Pujols hit the open market to make a big move, they will need another "bridge" type year for the offense. And Manny would fit well into that mold. Just saying.[/quote']

 

I would love it. I truly think he loved playing in Boston and the front office f***ed that up....like they do with all players coming to the ends of their contracts. When they dont do it (treat a player like s***)....they hang on to the Variteks, Wakefields and Becketts of the world.

 

If Manny can admit his mistakes and admitted that he would play here again....then the front office should also admit their mistakes and bring him back, so he can go in to the HOF wearing a Sox cap....as he should. Who knows....if it all works out is it so far fetched to retire the number of one of the greatest hitters to play the game (modern era)????????

[ORS]

Manny said it was his fault, and he takes responsibility for the ugly ending. That's more than Nomar ever did, and he precipitated his own exit every bit as much as Manny did.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/09/manny_i_would_h.html

The timing of this is curious. There was a fan poll on ESPN the other day that I saw the results of on one of the TV's at the gym. A strong majority of ESPN's viewers thought his reputation for quitting on his team would tarnish his legacy more than the use of PED's. Maybe he hired a PR hack?

[SCM33]

The timing of this is curious. There was a fan poll on ESPN the other day that I saw the results of on one of the TV's at the gym. A strong majority of ESPN's viewers thought his reputation for quitting on his team would tarnish his legacy more than the use of PED's. Maybe he hired a PR hack?

 

I would still love to see him finish his career here.

 

It wont happen, but I think it seems right. Hes going to the HOF, hes going in wearing a Sox hat whether he likes it or not, might as well finish his career here now that he admits that he was the one who screwed the whole thing up.

 

Better that way than the Nomar was with the tacky 1 day contract.

[a700hitter]

The timing of this is curious. There was a fan poll on ESPN the other day that I saw the results of on one of the TV's at the gym. A strong majority of ESPN's viewers thought his reputation for quitting on his team would tarnish his legacy more than the use of PED's. Maybe he hired a PR hack?

One thing makes me doubt this. Manny is notoriously cheap. If he made the Hall, he'd be likely to try to sell the plaque on Ebay.