Waiver Wire 2010

[a700hitter]

Cash played a total of 21 games for Boston including several behind a healthy V-Mart. To call him the primary catcher at any point this year is silly.

For 21 straight games he was the first string catcher. The guys behind him that played a few games out of complete desperation and exasperation at Cash's futility were even worse than him.

[a700hitter]

And you're still being ridiculous. You keep demanding and holding Theo "accountable" for not acquiring pieces that fit your generic shopping list' date=' and yet, called on to provide specifics, you first prevaricate and then come up with options that are no better than what they'd be replacing, thus demonstrating you've given the question of exactly who Theo should have acquired very little thought indeed.[/quote']I hope I didn't think about it as much as Theo, but that doesn't mean he made the right decision.

[Dojji]

The fact that you disagree with his decision doesn't mean he made the wrong one either.

 

Ultimately the answer was to not lose George Kottaras to waivers, but that's hindsight, isn't it? And so, really, is this.

[a700hitter]

The fact that you disagree with his decision doesn't mean he made the wrong one either.

 

Ultimately the answer was to not lose George Kottaras to waivers, but that's hindsight, isn't it? And so, really, is this.

You are right. It doesn't mean that he was wrong, but it is my opinion that something should have been done. That's my opinion. I'm not trying to win hearts and minds to my side of the argument. I'm just stating my thoughts on the matter. And while I haven't convinced you of the merit of my opinion, I'm not trying to convince you.

[Keeper]

I was specific enough to note that we needed a backup catcher' date=' a right-handed outfielder and a bullpen arm. All of those types of players got moved around the deadline. Is that specific enough for you?[/quote']

 

Ryan Hanigan would have been my choice as backup catcher.

[a700hitter]

Ryan Hanigan would have been my choice as backup catcher.

He's like Babe Ruth compared to Kevin Cash.

[jacksonianmarch]

You are right. It doesn't mean that he was wrong' date=' but it is my opinion that something should have been done. That's my opinion. I'm not trying to win hearts and minds to my side of the argument. I'm just stating my thoughts on the matter. And while I haven't convinced you of the merit of my opinion, I'm not trying to convince you.[/quote']

 

Rarely do you see a team lose both their catchers in a 3 day span. Kottaras would have been the 3rd catcher on a team that had no need for him.

[SCM33]

The fact that you disagree with his decision doesn't mean he made the wrong one either.

 

Ultimately the answer was to not lose George Kottaras to waivers, but that's hindsight, isn't it? And so, really, is this.

 

Ultimately the answer was to do something....anything to show the club you had their back.

 

David Ross, Ryan Hanigan, Ryan Doumit, Chris Snyder, Miguel Monteiro, Ramon Castro all would have been a nice option as a 1a-1b/backup catcher.

 

Brandon League, Brian Fuentes, Brad Zeigler, Rafael Perez, Rob Tejada, Kyle Farnsworth, Aaron Heilman, Matt Belisle, Joe Beimel, Evan Meek, Joel Hanrahan, Sean Marshall, Brandon Lyon......I dont know, werent any of those names better than MDC, Okajima and Atchieson?

 

Bobby Abreu, Austin Kearns, Scott Posednick, David Dejesus, Reed Johnson, Brad Hawpe (just signed), Jason Michaels...etc etc etc....none of those OF's could of helped us?

 

Dojji, do you work for the redsox front office? Why all the defending of their negligent operation for at least this season? I understand you love the team, so do I....thats why I am so pissed off. I guess everyone has their own way of caring about the team, as we are polar opposites. But hey, whatever knocks your socks off. If there is one thing that we can agree with, is that we both care about this team regardless of what they did, or didn't do.

[italstallianion]

I don't think that it's necessarily a debate as to whether or not something needed to be done, but rather, whether or not these particular moves would be better in the long term of the team.

 

I think that we'll all agree that moves needed to be made in order for the Sox to make the playoffs, however; I think that the real disagreement is whether or not those moves would be worth it, since they might hurt us in the longterm (giving up prospects, tying up money), AND, due to our injuries, might not even be able to put us in the playoffs anyway.

[example1]

This would have been a very good team if not for the injuries. So many around here were accusing the FO of not having made enough offensive moves during the offseason when they let Bay go and picked up guys like Scutaro and Beltre. Yet this team has endured to have one of the best records in baseball without 3 of the top 4 in their lineup, and battling injuries and ineffectiveness in the rotation.

 

I wanted them to add pieces at the deadline too. I always want something new and shiny, but none of us know the asking price for the players they tried to get. I would assume that if the deal was a good one, or a break-even one they would pull the trigger. They aren't going to trade away more talent than they are getting back, even if that talent might not show up for 3 years.

 

Overall it seems like a useless discussion. The team was crushed with injuries, simple as that. If they hadn't and had been sitting in 1st place at the deadline with a full team I would have expected a big move. That wasn't the case though and they decided to hold their cards for another year. No biggie.

[boston22407]

Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com reports that Angels catcher Mike Napoli has been claimed on waivers by an unknown team

[Meh]

Why would the Reds trade Hanigan? He's going to be their starting catcher next year and they've got a very good team... Just give your Triple-A catcher a shot or even Salty.

[ORS]

I don't think that it's necessarily a debate as to whether or not something needed to be done, but rather, whether or not these particular moves would be better in the long term of the team.

 

I think that we'll all agree that moves needed to be made in order for the Sox to make the playoffs, however; I think that the real disagreement is whether or not those moves would be worth it, since they might hurt us in the longterm (giving up prospects, tying up money), AND, due to our injuries, might not even be able to put us in the playoffs anyway.

This. 1000x this.

 

The "do something" movement sounds a lot like "do something just so you don't get accused of doing nothing", which is a pre-programmed response. I prefer thought and analysis of each situation over automatically doing something for the sake of appearances.

[Dipre]

This. 1000x this.

 

The "do something" movement sounds a lot like "do something just so you don't get accused of doing nothing", which is a pre-programmed response. I prefer thought and analysis of each situation over automatically doing something for the sake of appearances.

 

The interesting thing is that had they traded for, say, a reliever and the move backfires while the player they traded for the reliever was productive for the receiving team for several years, then the people who are complaining about the non-moves would be complaining about the failed moves.

 

Sometimes you just have to cut your losses.

[jacksonianmarch]

The interesting thing is that had they traded for, say, a reliever and the move backfires while the player they traded for the reliever was productive for the receiving team for several years, then the people who are complaining about the non-moves would be complaining about the failed moves.

 

Sometimes you just have to cut your losses.

 

They could have absorbed salary instead of giving up anything. But I dont think that they could have done enough to stay afloat

[Dojji]

Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com reports that Angels catcher Mike Napoli has been claimed on waivers by an unknown team

 

Oh please please please, he'd help us now and in the future,.

[example1]

I love the idea of them getting Napoli as well. If they were willing to spend the money and roster space on Damon then I see Napoli as a much more useful longterm player. It is probably safe to assume it wasn't the Red Sox who claimed him, but my fingers are crossed that it was them.

 

I think this team would be a lot stronger going into 2011 with Napoli and Salty as catching options, which would allow them to not get hung up on whether VMart resigned and if he did it would give them 3 C/1B options, thus increasing versatility longterm too.

[Dojji]

Even if all Napoli was is our starting 1B he'd be useful. Add in the catcher versatility, and you have a guy who's almost exactly what we need both at the moment and in 2011.

 

If Napoli fell to Boston in the wiaver wire I can't imagine them NOT taking a chance. He's too good a fit. I mean sure, I could see them getting hung up on Napoli's average at best 1B defense, but all the plating fell off Lowell's gold glove about 2 years ago to reveal the lead underneath, so that might even still be an all around improvement.

[boston22407]

Joe McDonald of ESPN.com reports that Angels catcher Mike Napoli has been claimed on waivers by the Red Sox.

A deal between the teams remains unlikely, according to McDonald. The details would have to be worked out by Monday. Perhaps Boston was just blocking a team with a greater need for Napoli's power, such as the Rays, Yankees or Twins. Napoli, 28, has smashed 21 home runs in 369 at-bats this season for Anaheim. Power-hitting catchers are obviously extremely hard to come by and he provides flexibility with the ability to play first base. We'll keep you updated on Boston's progress toward a trade.

[jacksonianmarch]

I hope you guys get him. He'll be an improvement this yr, but if he is viewed as a C long term, then his defense is going to kill you. Scoscia hated his D so much that he started a Mendoza line guy over him.

[Dojji]

Doesn't bother me as I see him as a 1b who can fill in at C rather than the other way around.

[jacksonianmarch]

If you get Napoli, VMart should not be resigned. They are essentially the same player except Napoli has better power and VMart is a switch hitter

[Dojji]

Agreed. Napoli and Salty can do most of our catching, (mostly Salty, unless we really find out that he's just unendurable)and if we need a defensive guy or one of them gets hurt, we can call up a guy like Wagner or Brown to fill in.

[Spudboy]

So who goes the other way?

[Dojji]

Off hand, I'd say Doubront. But that's possibly an overpay depending on whether you consider him a SP or an RP..

[WhiskeyBreath]

I don't see a deal getting done. The Angels would get more in return if they dealt him in the offseason.

[boston22407]

FOX Sports' Jon Paul Morosi reports that multiple AL teams have shown interest in Troy Glaus.

Morosi suggests that the Red Sox, Rays, Twins, White Sox and Rangers could be a fit for the veteran. Glaus is currently on the DL while recovering from a knee injury, but he's batting .391 with two home runs and eight RBI in six games for Triple-A Gwinnett. He's playing third base on his rehab assignment, and the Braves plan to use him there occasionally, as well as at first base and as a pinch-hitter, when he returns. Glaus has really struggled since a hot start to the season, but he's not making much money and wouldn't be a bad option as a bench bat if Atlanta does decide to trade him.

[Spudboy]

McAdam just stated on Comcast that the Sox interest in Napoli is legit.

 

It's not a block.

 

He also said that talks with the Angels have not been productive.

 

Too bad Dojji.

[italstallianion]

It's times like these where I wish we could draft draft picks in baseball.

[example1]

Off hand' date=' I'd say Doubront. But that's possibly an overpay depending on whether you consider him a SP or an RP..[/quote']

 

Nope to this idea. Doubront shouldn't be moved except for a major piece (which Napoli is not). Doubront is ready to be a regularly used pitcher on this team.