Should Kalish make the team next year?

[Dojji]

If we need a 3B that badly, acquire a 1B and shift Youks over, problem solved.

[Yaz Sideburn]

going into the season with kalish or lowrie as a starting position player is highly unlikely. but you have to be excited about how our bench is shaping up for next year with kalish, lowrie and salty

[Meh]

I love Kalish as a Yankee fan even. haha, so thats major. I don't know if though, I voted yes but now I'm kind of meh to it. I know you have Drew in right, I'm not sure on LF though, so yeah he could go there. I wouldn't sell low on Ellsbury, everyone is saying to trade him, but that's not a wise move at least imo. Maybe he's grown into a clubhouse cancer, im not sure what goes on behind those doors nor do i want to know.... Anyway I read some comments Youk and other people made two months ago and it wasn't too pretty so if it has to be done I guess its one of those take one for the team to make it better at the end of the day.

[BSN07]

Kalish will not rot on the bench for the Red Sox starting out next season. If he's there, he's playing. If he's not playing he will be in AAA continuing his development.

[Dojji]

I agree -- and so I think a way will be cleared for Kalish to play.

[Palodios]

I think between Kalish and Ellsbury, only one will be on the roster next year. Cameron and Drew are pretty much here to stay in 2011, because they're worth more on the team than if they're salary dumped. But this outfield has seriously underperformed in 2010, offensively and defensively, and with two big names out there, they will go out and get one of them.

 

They can't take the risk of seeing their outfield being 7/8/9 in their order again.

[Dojji]

Discarding a player we have multiple years of control over in favor of an aging player with one year left is shortsighted.

[Palodios]

I can easily see Drew having a big 2011. He's the kind of player that will perform better in a contract year. So you'd prefer to drop Cameron who has a great track record-- and has simply had a bad luck season-- over an unproven rookie or an outfielder that STILL doesn't have a hit since May? If they can't get value out of Ellsbury, then it makes more sense to give Kalish more development time in AAA. Between Cameron, Drew, and Ellsbury, one of them will get hurt in 2011, and give Kalish a shot.

[soxfan74]

I think between Kalish and Ellsbury, only one will be on the roster next year. Cameron and Drew are pretty much here to stay in 2011, because they're worth more on the team than if they're salary dumped. But this outfield has seriously underperformed in 2010, offensively and defensively, and with two big names out there, they will go out and get one of them.

 

They can't take the risk of seeing their outfield being 7/8/9 in their order again.

 

Yeah. Both Drew and Cameron's contract run out after the 2011 season. So lets get rid of one of the two young guys and hang on to them. That makes no sense. Drew has under achieved this season, and is often injured. Cameron has also shown signs of decline. Although I'll give him a small pass due to the abdominal injury. Ellsbury and Kalish are under control long term.

[Dojji]

I can easily see Drew having a big 2011. He's the kind of player that will perform better in a contract year. So you'd prefer to drop Cameron who has a great track record-- and has simply had a bad luck season-- over an unproven rookie or an outfielder that STILL doesn't have a hit since May? If they can't get value out of Ellsbury' date=' then it makes more sense to give Kalish more development time in AAA. Between Cameron, Drew, and Ellsbury, one of them will get hurt in 2011, and give Kalish a shot.[/quote']

 

I'm sorry, but my memory goes back a little further than May. The Chances that Ellsbury is here for the Sox in 3 years playing up to his current talent level is far greater than the same chances for either Drew or Cameron.

[Palodios]

I'm sorry' date=' but my memory goes back a little further than May. .[/quote']

 

Then why are you so down on Cameron?

[Dojji]

Because he's 38 years old and the injury can't be written off just like that. Old players get hurt more often, it's why they can't stick around.

[Palodios]

And young players are likely to have developmental setbacks, especially if they have only had 40 games in AAA. Atleast the team wouldn't be risking paying 8 million to see Cameron hit 20 home runs for the Rangers.

[Dojji]

No, they'd be risking paying Cameron 8 million while Ellsbury steals 70 again for the Rangers. And then at the end of the year, they'd lose Cameron and Ellsbury would *still* be stealing 70 for the Rangers for at least the next 2 years and probably much longer than that.

 

Each additional year after the next one it becomes progressively more stupid to chose/have chosen moving Ellsbury over Cameron or Drew.

[Palodios]

I think you misinterpret me, so I'll clarify.

 

The most important thing is that they need to get a new oufielder. This has to happen, period. I want to trade Ellsbury, if and only if the team can get value out of him, like pieces for an A-gon/Fielder deal. if that is not possible, keep Ellsbury around, and put Kalish to AAA. Considering the injury risks in the outfield, I don't think he's going to be blocked the full 2011. Plus, I don't think extra development time would do him harm.

 

Cameron and Drew are worth far more on this team than off because the Red Sox can afford their bad contracts a lot more than other teams. I believe that a deal Ellsbury is worth exceeds the value he has on this team.

[flasoxfan]

Cameron will not be back...love to see them move Drew but he makes way to much for his limited production so they are stuck with him....Spudboy...you cant have Kalish, Els and Drew out there...to may lefties in that lineup...look for them to go after Werth.

[soxfan74]

We are extremely lefty heavy in the Minors. If we could move Drew that would be Ideal. He has a limited no trade clause which blocks trades to two teams. The problem there though is contact remaining, and length. I do understand the interest in Werth. If you move Ellsbury you better get a pretty good return. Need not Forget that Nava and Reddick could be key Chips as well. You could throw Lars Anderson in thjere as well. No problem moving him with Rizzo who seams to be the better power prospect coming on strong this season.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Drew isn't being traded. Forget about it.

[flasoxfan]

All good points Soxfan74

[Dojji]

The most important thing is that they need to get a new oufielder. This has to happen' date=' period.[/quote']

 

Why? Frankly we can upgrade our outfield by standing pat and having average luck with health next year. Let's not pretend Darnell McDonald was part of the plan to begin with.

 

Not that I don't want to add a guy like Crawford to the lineup, but I feel you're overstating the urgency, and again, offloading Ellsbury when either of Drew or Cameron are far less critical to our longterm plans is not a sign of clear thinking -- it doesn't even make sense at all the moment you look past 2011.

[Dojji]

Look for them to go after Werth.

 

I hope not. Werth reeks of potential regression. His true talent level is as a ~25 HR, ~.850 OPS right fielder. That's not chopped liver, but the other thing it isn't is a guy you go for broke on..

[Palodios]

Why? Frankly we can upgrade our outfield by standing pat and having average luck with health next year. Let's not pretend Darnell McDonald was part of the plan to begin with.

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Average luck with health? This is JD Drew, Ellsbury, and Cameron. I can not overstate how scary it would be for this team to try to start that trio in the outfield next year, its a disaster waiting to happen.

[Dojji]

Average luck with health? This is JD Drew' date=' Ellsbury, and Cameron. I can not overstate how scary it would be for this team to try to start that trio in the outfield next year, its a disaster waiting to happen.[/quote']

 

So the solution is to remove the youngest and, in all honestly, healthiest of that trio, and the only one we control for more than next year, so we can have the privilege of watching Ellsbury play CF for someone else and overpay an overpriced over-30 to replace him in 2 years. Now there's a plan for you.

[Palodios]

Who has played the least games of that trio this season? Who of that trio has been reported to be in heavy trade talks? Who of that trio has had a lot of bad press implying that he's been a problem in the organization because of the misdiagnoses?

[Dojji]

Why are you basing this entirely off this season? That makes NO sense. You have to take a multiyear approach to the roster, otherwise you wind up making all kinds of fool moves that don't pay off in the final analysis. Little details like cost-controlled years really add up, and they can add up in your favor if you take advantage of them or bite you in the butt if you don't. Your call on that one, I know my answer.

[Palodios]

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that Ellsbury is being used as a trade chip? They're going to need to get a first baseman, and I would far rather get rid of him than Casey Kelly. Is that unreasonable?

 

In 2012, if the outfield has Kalish, Crawford and 25 extra million to spend from expiring outfield contracts, I don't see that as a problem, but an opportunity to improve.

[Dojji]

It doesn't matter why Ellsbury is gone, ultimately the issue is he's being lost from the team in order to keep two players who'll be gone by 2012.

 

If they get a good return for him the move is slightly less odious, but the idea behind it would still be short-sighted.

[Yaz Sideburn]

ellsbury had a freak rib injury. otherwise, he's been the picture of health. if we're going to upgrade an outfield position to protect against injury, it should probably be cameron as he's th oldest and he's not as productive as drew in a normal year. plus, with ellsbury playing good defense, we don't really need cameron to man center

[Yaz Sideburn]

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that Ellsbury is being used as a trade chip? They're going to need to get a first baseman, and I would far rather get rid of him than Casey Kelly. Is that unreasonable?

 

In 2012, if the outfield has Kalish, Crawford and 25 extra million to spend from expiring outfield contracts, I don't see that as a problem, but an opportunity to improve.

 

there's a lot of guys we could use as a trade chip that wouldn't involve weakening our current roster. i think ellsbury is in the team's longterm plans

[Palodios]

there's a lot of guys we could use as a trade chip that wouldn't involve weakening our current roster. i think ellsbury is in the team's longterm plans

 

Name one that will make a major league impact right now.