Yankees landing Lee

[WhiskeyBreath]

Lee to the NYY?

 

Might as well schedule the WS parade.

[yeszir]

He's scheduled to pitch tonight against the Yankees? That's funny.

[example1]

Think about the implication of this move at this time... The Yankees getting him before he pitches against them could assure them of a win and assure the M's of a loss. When players are measured in the # of wins they bring their team, this would almost immediatley add to his value. If nothing else it is addition by subtraction from their schedule. Actually quite genius. I want the M's to only move him after this game.

[yankees228]

Think about the implication of this move at this time... The Yankees getting him before he pitches against them could assure them of a win and assure the M's of a loss. When players are measured in the # of wins they bring their team' date=' this would almost immediatley add to his value. If nothign else it is addition by subtraction from their schedule. I want the M's to only move him after this game.[/quote']

 

And to further this point, if he does take the mound for the Mariners tonight, I don't believe the Yankees will trade for him at any point this year.

[example1]

And to further this point' date=' if he does take the mound for the Mariners tonight, I don't believe the Yankees will trade for him at any point this year.[/quote']

 

Yeah, that shows just about how much they don't need him. Whining like a bunch of pansy babies. "if he starts against us the deal is off!" Wahh! Wahh!

[yankees228]

Yeah' date=' that shows just about how much they don't need him. Whining like a bunch of pansy babies. "if he starts against us the deal is off!" Wahh! Wahh![/quote']

 

This I disagree with. The Yankees won't make a better offer than this. If the deal is going to happen, there's no reason for it not to happen before the game. It would hurt their chances to win the game, and it would give Lee an extra chance in another uniform to suffer some kind of injury.

 

Paint this anyway you want, but, in my opinion, it makes no sense to paint the Yankees as babies because they want the deal to happen before tonight's game.

[italstallianion]

This I disagree with. The Yankees won't make a better offer than this. If the deal is going to happen, there's no reason for it not to happen before the game. It would hurt their chances to win the game, and it would give Lee an extra chance in another uniform to suffer some kind of injury.

 

Paint this anyway you want, but, in my opinion, it makes no sense to paint the Yankees as babies because they want the deal to happen before tonight's game.

 

 

 

 

I agree, I mean, why face Cliff Lee when you don't have to?

[example1]

This I disagree with. The Yankees won't make a better offer than this. If the deal is going to happen, there's no reason for it not to happen before the game. It would hurt their chances to win the game, and it would give Lee an extra chance in another uniform to suffer some kind of injury.

 

Paint this anyway you want, but, in my opinion, it makes no sense to paint the Yankees as babies because they want the deal to happen before tonight's game.

 

I'm painting them as babies for saying that if it doesn't happen before the game tonight then they aren't doing it. Lee is worth Montero + or he isn't.

 

This basically changes the deal from Lee for Montero + + to Lee for Montero + + (and Lee not pitching against us tonight i.e., throw the game tonight).

 

As far as I can tell, the Mariners are still the ones in control of whether this deal happens or not, but yet again it seems like the Yankees dictating terms of the deal. A totally minor point, and one I only make because I like to pick on the Yankees. :harhar:

[example1]

I agree' date=' I mean, why face Cliff Lee when you don't have to?[/quote']

 

Couldn't the same question be asked of the M's? Why deal Lee a day early if he's not going to pitch thru the ASB, his turn in the rotation isn't impacted by starting, and your fans are coming to watch your team win, not lose?

[italstallianion]

Couldn't the same question be asked of the M's? Why deal Lee a day early if he's not going to pitch thru the ASB' date=' his turn in the rotation isn't impacted by starting, and your fans are coming to watch your team win, not lose?[/quote']

 

 

 

The same question can be asked of the M's, but in that event, the M's would be just as uptight as the Yankees if that becomes a dealbreaker.

[yankees228]

The same question can be asked of the M's' date=' but in that event, the M's would be just as uptight as the Yankees if that becomes a dealbreaker.[/quote']

 

Example already admitted that the only reason he made the point was because he likes to pick on the Yankees. At that point, with objectivity completely pushed to the wayside, there's no reason to continue debating the point in a serious manner.

[yankees228]

And now the deal appears to have fallen apart. Very, very disappointing.

[redsoxrules]

And now the deal appears to have fallen apart. Very' date=' very disappointing.[/quote']

 

Not me

[Divinity]

As a Yankees fan I'm glad this deal didn't go through, seemed kinda pointless to rent Lee for half a season when they can sign him as a FA without giving away there best prospect. Not to mention this Yankees pitching staff is fine the way it this season. 45 wins between there pitchers before the all star break, can't complain.

 

Plus if they signed Lee at this point what team would have real chance of beating them in the post season? It might've made it feel like a hollow championship

[WhiskeyBreath]

 

Plus if they signed Lee at this point what team would have real chance of beating them in the post season? It might've made it feel like a hollow championship

 

[yankees228]

As a Yankees fan I'm glad this deal didn't go through, seemed kinda pointless to rent Lee for half a season when they can sign him as a FA without giving away there best prospect. Not to mention this Yankees pitching staff is fine the way it this season. 45 wins between there pitchers before the all star break, can't complain.

 

Plus if they signed Lee at this point what team would have real chance of beating them in the post season? It might've made it feel like a hollow championship

 

They were very lucky to win the World Series last year with their rotation. Even though the rotation looks decent right now, come October, they might very well be in a similar situation. I'm not overly confident in them winning the 2010 World Series with the current rotation. Cliff Lee would have certainly helped.

[26 to 6]

I really don't mind that this deal isn't going through, so long as he doesn't end up in Tampa. I have no problem sticking it out the rest of the year with our current rotation, keeping Montero, and just losing draft picks for Lee in the offseason. If this team that's gotten involved is Tampa, however, then the Yankees need to step up their offer because I don't want to face that rotation in a potential ALCS.

[yankees228]

I really don't mind that this deal isn't going through' date=' so long as he doesn't end up in Tampa. I have no problem sticking it out the rest of the year with our current rotation, keeping Montero, and just losing draft picks for Lee in the offseason. If this team that's gotten involved is Tampa, however, then the Yankees need to step up their offer because I don't want to face that rotation in a potential ALCS.[/quote']

 

According to Joel Sherman, it's the Rangers.

 

 

EDIT: The only consolation here, albeit a microscopic one, is if talks with the Rangers progress to the point that the M's don't pitch Cliff Lee tonight.

[Palodios]

I think its appropriate for me to throw out an I told you so here.

 

I wouldn't even be surprised if it still happened, but my point was that the deal was nowhere as close to being done as the NYPost pretended it was.

[26 to 6]

The team in hot pursuit of Lee seems to be the Rangers, who are in no position to add payroll. So this makes no sense to me.

[26 to 6]

I think its appropriate for me to throw out an I told you so here.

 

I wouldn't even be surprised if it still happened, but my point was that the deal was nowhere as close to being done as the NYPost pretended it was.

Wow dude, you don't know when to stop, do you? It was close, very close, according to MULTIPLE news outlets (not just the NY Post, they were just the ones who broke the story this morning). So hop off...

[26 to 6]

According to Joel Sherman, it's the Rangers.

 

 

EDIT: The only consolation here, albeit a microscopic one, is if talks with the Rangers progress to the point that the M's don't pitch Cliff Lee tonight.

Beat me to it. I just don't see how it's possible for them right now.

[yankees228]

The team in hot pursuit of Lee seems to be the Rangers' date=' who are in no position to add payroll. So this makes no sense to me.[/quote']

 

He's only due 8 million dollars in total for 2010 (obviously less now), and I even read that the M's might be willing to eat the rest of the salary. Money isn't really an issue in these negotiations.

[yankees228]

Mark Feinsand provides us with two encouraging tweets.

 

 

[italstallianion]

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but Divinity, you should get your pick ready because it's yrtb's turn, and his window expires in the next few hours, in which I'll jump on and make my pick, which would mean that you'd have an opportunity to make your pick tonight.

[yankees228]

If Lee goes to the Rangers, I really hope Smoak goes back to the M's.

 

EDIT: And there it is.

[yankees228]

I can see how this thing played out. The Rangers jumped in, offered Smoak, and all of a sudden the M's weren't too keen on disregarding that and just accepting the Yankees offer. I don't blame Zduriencik for wanting to mull over his options.

[example1]

Example already admitted that the only reason he made the point was because he likes to pick on the Yankees. At that point' date=' with objectivity completely pushed to the wayside, there's no reason to continue debating the point in a serious manner.[/quote']

 

I wouldn't say objectivity is completely pushed to the wayside. I can be objective and still pick on the Yankees. Objectively I think it is a petty demand to make whether it was the Yankees or otherwise. I realize why they do it, I just think it is petty.

 

I kept pushing on it because it was the Yankees. If another team had done it I would mention it once and move on. But here, with all you Yankee fans foaming at the idea of getting Cliff Lee, it is too hard to resist.

[example1]

I can see how this thing played out. The Rangers jumped in' date=' offered Smoak, and all of a sudden the M's weren't too keen on disregarding that and just accepting the Yankees offer. I don't blame Zduriencik for wanting to mull over his options.[/quote']

 

Too bad the Yankees are absolutely out if Lee dares to pitch against them tonight. Why did they limit themselves to such a short window I wonder?

[yankees228]

I wouldn't say objectivity is completely pushed to the wayside. I can be objective and still pick on the Yankees. Objectively I think it is a petty demand to make whether it was the Yankees or otherwise. I realize why they do it, I just think it is petty.

 

I kept pushing on it because it was the Yankees. If another team had done it I would mention it once and move on. But here, with all you Yankee fans foaming at the idea of getting Cliff Lee, it is too hard to resist.

 

If you admit you just like to pick on the Yankees, your opinion isn't likely to viewed as an objective one. The Yankees weren't going to up their offer, so there was no reason, from their perspective, to drag this out. I don't blame them in the least, but whatever, I guess we see things differently.

 

As for 'all you Yankee fans', I think that's only me haha. Others here seemed at least a notch less excited than me.