Yankees landing Lee

[example1]

If you admit you just like to pick on the Yankees, your opinion isn't likely to viewed as an objective one. The Yankees weren't going to up their offer, so there was no reason, from their perspective, to drag this out. I don't blame them in the least, but whatever, I guess we see things differently.

 

As for 'all you Yankee fans', I think that's only me haha. Others here seemed at least a notch less excited than me.

 

Do you think anyone here meets your standards of objectivity? This is a Red Sox site. We dislike the Yankees. It's kind of the tenor of things around here, if you havent noticed.

 

I'm willing to bet that NYYFans was pretty excited about the prospect, and I imagine it will still happen for the Yankees.

[yankees228]

Do you think anyone here meets your standards of objectivity? This is a Red Sox site. We dislike the Yankees. It's kind of the tenor of things around here, if you havent noticed.

 

I'm willing to bet that NYYFans was pretty excited about the prospect, and I imagine it will still happen for the Yankees.

 

I don't have a standard of objectivity that I look for in posters. I'm just not going to view someone's opinion as an objective one when they admit that they mention something because they like to pick on the Yankees. I like reading your posts, that's just isn't one I'm going to take seriously, because of your own admission.

[yankees228]

It's the Rangers.

[yeszir]

I'm shocked

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SHOCKED. Good job by Daniels to swoop in and get this done for Texas. On the bright side, it keeps him away from Tampa, and we get to keep Montero. We're still probably the favorites to land Lee in the offseason anyway. On another high note, with this thing being essentially done (not the first time we've heard that today), we probably won't have to face him tonight anyway.

 

Joel Sherman has it as the Rangers getting Lee and Mark Lowe for Justin Smoak and 3 other prospects (didn't name who they were). I'm not too disappointed we didn't get him (yet), I'm just shocked at how this has all played out over the course of the day.

[yankees228]

I really hope the Yankees don't turn around and swing Montero for someone like Oswalt or Haren. It would have been worth it for Lee, but not for anyone else.

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I really hope the Yankees don't turn around and swing Montero for someone like Oswalt or Haren. It would have been worth it for Lee' date=' but not for anyone else.[/quote']

Agreed. I don't think they will though. I really have no interest in either of them suiting up for the Bombers anyway.

[VA Sox Fan]

SO glad he is going to the Rangers!

[VA Sox Fan]

Sounds like your pretty scared bud. It's ok' date=' it's to be expected.[/quote']

 

:rolleyes:

[db41]

What makes you think that the Yankees are the front runners to sign Lee in the off-season?

 

Oh, that'$ right....

[jacksonianmarch]

Yep, they are the frontrunners. And it is pretty obvious that he wants to hit the market. Glad we DIDNT consummate this deal. In 6 months, we'll be right where we are today in the Lee sweeps. Also, we get to keep Montero and Adams. Both of those guys are gonna have good big league futures. McAllister, I have no problem with dealing, cause I dont see him being a big part on the big league club

[example1]

I don't have a standard of objectivity that I look for in posters. I'm just not going to view someone's opinion as an objective one when they admit that they mention something because they like to pick on the Yankees. I like reading your posts' date=' that's just isn't one I'm going to take seriously, because of your own admission.[/quote']

 

I like reading your posts too. You're a good member of this site. Sorry if my snarkiness factor was high. It's like 98 degrees here today. Intolerable.

[msubulldogs21]

I really hope the Yankees don't turn around and swing Montero for someone like Oswalt or Haren. It would have been worth it for Lee' date=' but not for anyone else.[/quote']

 

I don't think Oswalt would make a very good transition at all to the AL, let alone the AL East.

[jacksonianmarch]

Haren would, though, but he isnt the player Lee is

[example1]

Love this thread. Keep it going.

[Palodios]

So, the question is, what exactly are the Yankee's late season plans now? I've heard things about limiting hughes and putting him into the bullpen, and some possibility of trading javy, but its going to be tough to find a better starter than Hughes right now.

[yankees228]

I like reading your posts too. You're a good member of this site. Sorry if my snarkiness factor was high. It's like 98 degrees here today. Intolerable.

 

Fair enough, and completely understandable about the heat lol.

[yankees228]

So' date=' the question is, what exactly are the Yankee's late season plans now? I've heard things about limiting hughes and putting him into the bullpen, and some possibility of trading javy, but its going to be tough to find a better starter than Hughes right now.[/quote']

 

At this point Vazquez is almost certainly staying with the Yankees. As for Hughes, they'll probably skip him a few times in the second half, so he can be a starting pitcher through the duration of the regular season. Then, if they make the postseason, Hughes would go to the bullpen.

 

The Lee trade was more for the postseason than the regular season, and with him off the market, I doubt the Yankees attempt a trade for a frontline starter (e.g. Roy Oswalt or Dan Haren). They may very well trade for a starter, but it won't be a premium name, and they likely won't be willing to part with much.

 

The failure of this trade to be completed makes me a bit concerned about the Yankees chances if they make the postseason, but that topic of conversation is for another thread.

[Meh]

:rolleyes:

 

Still sounds like you're scared!!

 

To the Tony Almeida guy, yeah I was wrong. meh.

 

Glad we keep Montero and Lee is going to the Rangers since A they won't go big on their draft picks they'll get for Lee and B I still don't view them as a big of threat as the Rays or Twins would be.

[Meh]

At this point Vazquez is almost certainly staying with the Yankees. As for Hughes, they'll probably skip him a few times in the second half, so he can be a starting pitcher through the duration of the regular season. Then, if they make the postseason, Hughes would go to the bullpen.

 

The Lee trade was more for the postseason than the regular season, and with him off the market, I doubt the Yankees attempt a trade for a frontline starter (e.g. Roy Oswalt or Dan Haren). They may very well trade for a starter, but it won't be a premium name, and they likely won't be willing to part with much.

 

The failure of this trade to be completed makes me a bit concerned about the Yankees chances if they make the postseason, but that topic of conversation is for another thread.

 

Yankees arne't going to trade for Lilly or someone like that to spot start for Hughes. I'd like to see Nova get a few spot starts in the second half to help limit Hughes. I'd really like to see them go after Berkman so long as he stops smoking and doesn't want his option picked up. I mean he could come here, try to win a World Series, if he does or if he doesn't he can go back to the Astros next year anyway.

[yankees228]

Yankees arne't going to trade for Lilly or someone like that to spot start for Hughes. I'd like to see Nova get a few spot starts in the second half to help limit Hughes. I'd really like to see them go after Berkman so long as he stops smoking and doesn't want his option picked up. I mean he could come here' date=' try to win a World Series, if he does or if he doesn't he can go back to the Astros next year anyway.[/quote']

 

I'd prefer Dunn.

[Meh]

I'd prefer Dunn.

 

Dunn would cost a lot more, I'm just meh to it. The difference imo at least isn't worth that big of a difference in a package. I heard the Nats wanted at least two good prospects.

[Dojji]

I'm just meh to it.

 

Beautiful.

[jacksonianmarch]

The one thing that this experience showed us is the reality that Montero is on the block. Jesus Montero is a hell of a prospect, and he is just starting to swing the lumber. BUT, he really is a moveable commodity. We already have a catcher for 2011 in Posada and a very strong long term backup in Cervelli. We also have a future franchise C in Romine in AA who is doing very well. Below him, we have solid catching depth in Kyle Higashioka (who I am told is having his swing revamped, so his numbers are a bit misleading) and JR Murphy. And below them is Gary Sanchez, who is lighting s*** up in the GCL at 17. All of these guys profile to be better than Montero defensively.

 

So that leaves his second most likely defensive position, 1B. Well, Teixeira is an MVP caliber offensive player who plays Gold Glove defense and will be there for another 6 seasons. So, then you look to the OF. I have been told by people in the know that Montero would never be a LF option because he is just too damn slow. Okay, with that out, we'd be looking at a split C/DH position until Teixeira moves on. Now, his offensive capability is special and the fact that he is only 20 yrs old means that we should expect some serious improvement, but at the same time, he really is a man without a position. Hence why the Yanks were willing to part with him.

 

Now, I expect this to be a theme. Montero on the block for an elite talent. If one doesnt come our way, then Montero probably DH's in 2011. If one does, then we improve significantly and sign a veteran to fill that hole. Regardless, it isnt a bad situation to be stuck in

[BoSox21]

Really? It took this ordeal for you to realize that no one is untouchable? The only prospect in baseball who MAYBE is untouchable is Strasburg and even then, if St. Louis called up offering Pujols and Wainwright for example, Washington would consider it for sure.

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I agree with most of your post, Jacko. Except the "on the block" part. I don't think Montero is "on the block," or being actively shopped. I think all along the Yanks have shown a reluctance to deal him as he has that once in a generation type potential, but they were open to the idea in this instance because of all the factors that you mentioned with the catching depth (and the fact that they are all better defensively), on top of the fact that an ace pitcher would be coming back the other way. When someone is on the trading block, it usually indicated that the team is actively looking to move that player, which I don't think is the case here. I wouldn't expect the Yanks to trade Montero for an Oswalt, Dunn, Lilly, Berkman, etc. So if the one thing you've drawn from this "experience" is that Montero is on the block, I would take another look at the situation if I were you. I think the Yanks would be dumb to explore another trade for him without getting a top 2% player at a given position in return. I actually like the way it worked out, being that we get to keep Montero and possibly/likely sign Lee in the offseason. But like I said, I don't think Montero is "on the block," and I hope to see him hitting bombs in the Bronx for years to come.

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Really? It took this ordeal for you to realize that no one is untouchable? The only prospect in baseball who MAYBE is untouchable is Strasburg and even then' date=' if St. Louis called up offering Pujols and Wainwright for example, Washington would consider it for sure.[/quote']

Right. Being on the block and not being untouchable are two different things. I think the Yanks would listen to offers for Montero, but I doubt they are actively shopping him due to their surplus of catching depth.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think we are in a battle of semantics here. I said that we'd move him for an elite talent and if none come available, then we'd start him next yr

[Meh]

What the real tell to me though, even if the M's played us they obvious like a lot of our prospects. Names that were mentioned were Nova, Noesi and Phelps which Cashman said he didn't want to move. Montero, Adams, McAllister, Warren and Nunez also were in the thick of trade talks. We have guys who other teams want and it doesn't hurt that Vizcaino, Dunn, Coke, Jackson, Kennedy, Ohlendorf, Tabata and McCutchen to name some talent we traded away in the past two years that are one their way to or already quality major leaguers.

[jacksonianmarch]

Meh, just wait until next season when some of our talent in the lower levels hits the long season leagues. I honestly think that from Staten Island down to the DSL league, we have the most talent in baseball. Our INTL signees since 2007 have been pretty frickin good and they are just starting to hit their stride. If you are looking for a few names....

 

Nik Turley- 20 yr old 6'6" LHP now in SI

 

Mikey O'Brien- 20 yr old 5'10" RHP who throws mid 90s in SI

 

Gavin Brooks (injured)- 22 yr old lefty reliever throws low 90s and was dominant in the SI last yr

 

Manny Barreda- 21 yr old, only HS pitcher signed in 2007, dominated before TJS, now back

 

Francisco Arcia- 20yr old Dominican catcher who is on pace to be starting in Charleston next yr

 

Garrison Lassiter- 20yr CIF who stumbled in long season, but has found the stroke in SI

 

Jose Mojica- 21 yr old SS with a solid glove and bat combo, returned last yr from ACL injury

 

Kyle Roller- 22 yr old 2010 draftee who can flat out stroke

 

Kelvin De Leon- 19 yr old, 2007 INTL million dollar signee, has always hit but is now learning how to play D

 

Eduardo Sosa- 19 yr old complete 5 tool CFer who struggled last yr but is doing very well in SI

 

Mariel Checo- 20 yr old raw RHP drafted last season, throwing hard in the GCL

 

Evan DeLuca- 19yr old LHP capable of throwing mid 90s, a bit raw but has some serious stuff

 

Brett Gerritse- 19yr old RHP signed in 2009, throws low 90s with a knockout curve holding his own

 

Bryan Mitchell- 19yr old RHP, the most complete of the HS pitchers from the 2009 class, has had 2 dominant outings and 2 absolutely terrible ones. He'll be the best of the 4

 

Matt Richardson- 20 yr old 2008 draftee who is finding his way through the GCL

 

Gary Sanchez- 17 yr old catcher dominating the GCL

 

Cito Culver- 17 yr old switch hitting SS, 1st rounder in 2010, adjusting to the wood bat

 

Anderson Felix- 18 yr old 2b, part of the 2008 class who is holding his own in the GCL

 

Reymund Nunez- 19 yr old, 6'4" 220lb 1B with light tower power who is adjusting to America after dominating the GCL

 

Kelvin Duran- 19 yr old lefty swinging speedy OFer

 

Henry Pena- lefty swinging OFer with some developing power

 

Those are just the prospects in America. The DSL has some serious talent, notably

 

Yeicok Calderon- 2008 signee, 18 yr old, huge lefty who is hitting .346 in the DSL with 6 bombs in 36 games. He is the prize of that team.

 

Jorge Alcantara is hitting the piss out of the ball on the same team. 19 yr old 3B (who is probably gonna be an OFer in the states, 22 errors in 36 games) has a 1.062OPS through 36 games as well as 9 steals. He is a true 5 tool prospect who will be in the GCL next yr

 

Daniel Lopez, 18 yr old OFer, ran a 6.2 second 60 yd dash, hitting .331 in the DSL, but needs to learn how to steal (10/17 in SB attempts)

 

Kennedy Agramonte- 19 yr old Dominican RHP capable of throwing mid 90s, who is tearing it up in the minors (0.81WHIP, 44K in 33IP)

 

Cris Cabrera- 17 yr old RHP who has allowed 2ER in 27IP, throws low 90s at this point with 2 workable off speed pitches

 

Rafael Polo- (turned 17 in April), young 3B out of the Dominican, hitting .336 with a .911OPS thus far, showing mostly gap power

 

Eladio Moronta- 21 yr old short and squat OFer who is holding his own in the DSL in his first taste of professional hitting

 

Ravel Santana- 18 yr old speedy OFer holding his own in the DSL with a .800+OPS and double digit steals.

 

And those are only the guys doing well, there are other names to keep an eye on as well who have talent but arent hitting (Arias, Valera, De la Rosa, etc)

 

The point is, obviously, not all these guys will make it. But there is an unprecedented amount of talent in the yankee lower levels, mostly made up of IFA's. Surprisingly, the Yankees didnt push many of their prospects this yr, hence why Charleston is made up of a few actual prospects scattered inbetween organizational fodder. But next yr, the SI team should move on as should guys like Sanchez and Richardson from the GCL and should make up a pretty strong low A team. And, assuming some of them reach their potential, we'll have one hell of a crop brewing from below, not to mention the upper levels having some serious success. Come 2012, I am betting that the Yankees will be ranked in the top 5 in farm system talent, because the supposed scouting "experts" will actually get useable SRs on guys who are above the short seasons