Boston Red Sox 2010 draft picks

[Yaz Sideburn]

Sorry dude, but I have to defend Jacko on this one. Jacko did not say that the rumor was that he wasn't going to sign. He said that the rumor was that Ranaudo was floating with the idea of going back to school (ie getting his class schedule) and Jacko said that Boras does this ALL THE TIME, in order to get negotiating leverage.

 

If anything, it looks like Jacko was implying that he will sign, just that Boras was doing whatever he can to take the process to the final day in order to get more money.

 

he didn't say that the rumor was he was going back to school, he said the rumor was that he's not going to sign. one poster asked if ranaudo was going to sign or not and he responded by saying

 

Its gonna be down to the wire' date=' but right now the rumor is no[/quote']

 

i asked him for a source and he said that he "didn't have one yet". if he didn't get his rumor from a source then he's speculating, is he not?

[Spudboy]

he didn't say that the rumor was he was going back to school, he said the rumor was that he's not going to sign. one poster asked if ranaudo was going to sign or not and he responded by saying

 

 

 

i asked him for a source and he said that he "didn't have one yet". if he didn't get his rumor from a source then he's speculating, is he not?

 

It's all speculation until he either signs or returns to school.

 

I haven't heard anything about the subject in about two weeks. However, the Boston media was all over this subject during his brief stint in the Cape Cod League. About two weeks before he quit (great strategy by Boris as he was about to start seeing batters that had adjusted to wooden bats), the local (Cape/Boston) media were reporting that He was planning on returning to school because he believed he had let his team down and wanted some redemption and a shot at a National title. This was all supported by quotes from his Father, friends, coaches, and scouts.

 

 

So that is the rumor. So to speak. I believe that it's all just Boris posturing. The time to grab the money is now. Yeah, they want top ten money. But there are no assurances that he will be either healthy or one of the top ten draftees next year. There is a good chance of it, but it can't be over looked that he has definite value now. Boris knows this. He want's money now, as any good agent would. I say it gets done. If not, f*** the greedy little bastard.

[Yaz Sideburn]

It's all speculation until he either signs or returns to school.

 

I haven't heard anything about the subject in about two weeks. However, the Boston media was all over this subject during his brief stint in the Cape Cod League. About two weeks before he quit (great strategy by Boris as he was about to start seeing batters that had adjusted to wooden bats), the local (Cape/Boston) media were reporting that He was planning on returning to school because he believed he had let his team down and wanted some redemption and a shot at a National title. This was all supported by quotes from his Father, friends, coaches, and scouts.

 

 

So that is the rumor. So to speak. I believe that it's all just Boris posturing. The time to grab the money is now. Yeah, they want top ten money. But there are no assurances that he will be either healthy or one of the top ten draftees next year. There is a good chance of it, but it can't be over looked that he has definite value now. Boris knows this. He want's money now, as any good agent would. I say it gets done. If not, f*** the greedy little bastard.

 

i agree with your last paragraph. his stock is really high right now after his cape cod league performance. i don't think the risk of going back to school is worth the mariginal gain in negotiating power that he may or may not get by going back to school for another year

[Will617]

Boras has done this plenty of times in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to pull it again given his history. The question is whether Ranaudo sees it Boras' way.

[Spudboy]

Boras has done this plenty of times in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to pull it again given his history. The question is whether Ranaudo sees it Boras' way.

 

He's not under contract to Boris. So you have a point. But he does have Boris as an "advisor".

 

I think he'll do what Boris says he should do.

 

Which, I believe, is to sign.

[italstallianion]

Keep in mind, I'm not sure if Boras gets paid (much) if Ranaudo doesn't sign.

[Nutriaitch]

media were reporting that He was planning on returning to school because he believed he had let his team down and wanted some redemption and a shot at a National title.

 

sounds like he's saying what needs to be said to get a bigger contract.

I still doubt seriously he returns to LSU.

 

would LOVE to see him back in Baton Rouge, but I really don't think that's gonna happen.

 

i don't think the risk of going back to school is worth the mariginal gain in negotiating power that he may or may not get by going back to school for another year

 

and this is why he won't come back.

right now he has leverage.

 

he comes back, and has has another season like 2010, and he's got no leverage and probably falls a bit in the draft.

[jacksonianmarch]

Just so YS can take a Midol and feel some relief from his cramping....

 

I said, the rumor is that he won't sign. His camp has made NO inclinations that they are signing. This is a common thing with Boras draftees. Now, some of them never move off that stance, and others do. Right now, some people "think" he's signing. But he has prepared completely to return to LSU, hence, there are no inclinations aside from gut feeling that he's gonna sign.

 

Better?

[Yaz Sideburn]

Just so YS can take a Midol and feel some relief from his cramping....

 

I said, the rumor is that he won't sign. His camp has made NO inclinations that they are signing. This is a common thing with Boras draftees. Now, some of them never move off that stance, and others do. Right now, some people "think" he's signing. But he has prepared completely to return to LSU, hence, there are no inclinations aside from gut feeling that he's gonna sign.

 

Better?

 

take a few deep breaths, if you're getting frustrated enough to start getting personal then perhaps you need to take a break from this serious business

 

i just heard a rumor that he's going to sign for $2 and a bag of potato chips. what makes my rumor without a source any more spuculation than your rumor without a source?

[jacksonianmarch]

So, the fact that he is enrolling in classes at LSU is pointing towards him signing?

[WhiskeyBreath]

Bryce Harper enrolled in CC courses, doesn't mean a damn thing.

[Yaz Sideburn]

So' date=' the fact that he is enrolling in classes at LSU is pointing towards him signing?[/quote']

 

need i remind you who is agent is? if boras didn't make it appear as if he was willing to go back to school, then i'd be concerned that something is amiss

[jacksonianmarch]

Bryce Harper enrolled in CC courses' date=' doesn't mean a damn thing.[/quote']

 

Bryce Harper actually played a full yr of JuCo

[Palodios]

Enrolling to classes doesn't mean a whole lot. Colleges are overenrolling, and making it harder to graduate on time, so sometimes it makes it hard to get into classes you want. Athletes have a particularly hard time because they can't take night classes. They usually get special privileges of enrolling early for courses, but if they don't enroll on time with the other athletes, they lose that privilege because classes fill up. So, in summary, enrolling is for just-in-case scenarios.

[jacksonianmarch]

need i remind you who is agent is? if boras didn't make it appear as if he was willing to go back to school' date=' then i'd be concerned that something is amiss[/quote']

 

This is standard operating procedure for Boras clients, something I have already touched on. But aside from that FACT, there is no credible evidence that the kid is signing. There are a few facts here...

 

1. Theo knows his asking price, which is way overslot

2. Boras isnt afraid to walk away from a negotiation

3. Ranaudo has scheduled classes for the Fall semester

[WhiskeyBreath]

Bryce Harper actually played a full yr of JuCo

 

Yeah, and? That's common knowledge. He just recently enrolled in more classes just recently. It's just a formality.

[ORS]

This is standard operating procedure for Boras clients, something I have already touched on. But aside from that FACT, there is no credible evidence that the kid is signing. There are a few facts here...

 

1. Theo knows his asking price, which is way overslot

2. Boras isnt afraid to walk away from a negotiation

3. Ranaudo has scheduled classes for the Fall semester

Actually, only one of those is a fact. The other two are assumptions based on history.

 

To go along with that fact, there are these facts.....

 

1. Ranaudo has not signed a contract yet

2. LSU's registrar is open to enroll in classes

 

This is an assumption.....

 

He will act like he has not signed a contract until he has done so. That, to me, seems fairly reasonable. Reading more into it, one way or the other, is guesswork and uninteresting to me.

 

We'll really know what's up next Sunday.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Yeah' date=' and? That's common knowledge. He just recently enrolled in more classes just recently. It's just a formality.[/quote']

 

yeah, it would be pretty hard for a player in the draft to have any negotiating power if they claimed that they may go back to college if they don't get a big money contract and then didn't take any steps to enroll in classes

[Yaz Sideburn]

This is standard operating procedure for Boras clients, something I have already touched on. But aside from that FACT, there is no credible evidence that the kid is signing. There are a few facts here...

 

1. Theo knows his asking price, which is way overslot

2. Boras isnt afraid to walk away from a negotiation

3. Ranaudo has scheduled classes for the Fall semester

 

there's no credible evidence that he is or isn't signing, which has been my point all long. yet, you continue to insist that the rumor is that he won't sign even though you have no source to back you up

[jacksonianmarch]

Actually, only one of those is a fact. The other two are assumptions based on history.

 

To go along with that fact, there are these facts.....

 

1. Ranaudo has not signed a contract yet

2. LSU's registrar is open to enroll in classes

 

This is an assumption.....

 

He will act like he has not signed a contract until he has done so. That, to me, seems fairly reasonable. Reading more into it, one way or the other, is guesswork and uninteresting to me.

 

We'll really know what's up next Sunday.

 

exactly

[Palodios]

Here are some facts.

 

By signing now, he gets a few benefits. One more year in professional ball. Going to one of a select few teams that he knows will be contending by the time he's in the majors. He gets guaranteed money he might not get if he waits till next year. The Sox will pay him what he's worth.

[jacksonianmarch]

Here are some facts.

 

By signing now, he gets a few benefits. One more year in professional ball. Going to one of a select few teams that he knows will be contending by the time he's in the majors. He gets guaranteed money he might not get if he waits till next year. The Sox will pay him what he's worth.

 

Well, his "worth" is up for debate. It's a negotiation. Boras is gonna look at what the #2 guy in the draft got over the past few seasons and then will point to his ranking at #2 in the pre-season before his injury dropped him. Then, he will point to his Nintendo numbers in the Cape Cod league and say that he's healthy, so pay him like the guy he was supposed to be pre-injury. Ackley got $6 million at the #2 spot last yr. My guess is that he's asking for something in that range

[Palodios]

Boras is sly, but he's not that unreasonable. A 39th pick does not get the same money as a number 2.

[jacksonianmarch]

Boras is sly' date=' but he's not that unreasonable. A 39th pick does not get the same money as a number 2.[/quote']

 

No, they do not. But, Boras could actually use the leveraged position of another yr of college, plus his INITIAL rank prior to this season, which dropped him exclusively due to injury risk. My guess, and this is just a guess, is that Boras will request $6 million, but a deal in the $4-$5 million range would get it done. Not sure if Theo is willing to go that high

[Yaz Sideburn]

No' date=' they do not. But, Boras could actually use the leveraged position of another yr of college, plus his INITIAL rank prior to this season, which dropped him exclusively due to injury risk. My guess, and this is just a guess, is that Boras will request $6 million, but a deal in the $4-$5 million range would get it done. Not sure if Theo is willing to go that high[/quote']

 

what happened to your $10 million figure?

[jacksonianmarch]

what happened to your $10 million figure?

 

I said initially that he would be a $5 million sign. I inflated it after his CC appearance, but after doing a bit more research, it looks a bit high

[Yaz Sideburn]

I said initially that he would be a $5 million sign. I inflated it after his CC appearance' date=' but after doing a bit more research, [b']it looks a bit high[/b]

 

i could have saved you some time there

[Yaz Sideburn]

Teams have until Monday to sign their players, otherwise they go back into the draft pool. If teams fail to sign any players taken in the first three rounds, they receive compensatory picks in the same round next season.

 

The Sox have some work to do. There are eight unsigned players from the first 11 rounds including supplemental first round pick Anthony Ranaudo (RHP, LSU) along with second-round pick Brandon Workman (RHP, Texas), third round pick Sean Coyle (a high school SS from Pennsylvania) and fourth-round pick Garin Cecchini (a high school SS from Louisiana).

 

They also have yet to sign college pitchers Chris Hernandez (7th round) and Matt Price (8th round).

 

The Sox could well have deals in place with several of these players but have been prohibited from announcing them by the commissioners office because they exceeded the bonus recommendations.

 

In some cases, the Sox may have followed some of these players during the last two months and decided against investing in them.

 

Coyle (North Carlona) and Cecchini (LSU) will be tough signs as they intend to play in college.

 

Workman has recently been to Fenway to meet with team execs and could be close to a deal. Ranaudo is seeing a top-10 kind of deal and I don't expect we'll hear about that until late Monday. My guess is they will sign him but that is only a guess based on they knew what the price would be when they took him.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/08/draft_deadline.html

 

i don't usually quote this much of an article, but there's a lot of information in this one

[italstallianion]

From what I've heard, most, if not all of the top 10 round picks should sign. (The least likely to sign is Coyle). Also, Lucas LeBlanc (11th round) has made it clear that he won't sign, and will go to LSU.

 

Hopefully we can at least take Ranaudo and Cecchini and prevent them from going to LSU.

[Yaz Sideburn]

From what I've heard, most, if not all of the top 10 round picks should sign. (The least likely to sign is Coyle). Also, Lucas LeBlanc (11th round) has made it clear that he won't sign, and will go to LSU.

 

Hopefully we can at least take Ranaudo and Cecchini and prevent them from going to LSU.

 

i think a lot of people will be surprised if ranaudo doesn't sign. i don't see the $5-$8 million it would cost to sign him being an issue for the red sox