David Ortiz performance thread.

[Dojji]

Thank God. I'd love to be dead wrong about this guy. Every instinct I have tells me that this doesn't change anything but dangit, I want to hope!`

[Chamomile]

 

 

yeah cause he's hit a lot

 

He's hit 4 in his last 9 games. That's a lot.

[Dipre]

Doiji's instincts tell him Daniel Nava is awesome. I think i'll go the opposite route and think Ortiz is on the verge of breaking out.

[Dojji]

You do that. I never said my instincts were any good.

[Dipre]

You do that. I never said my instincts were any good.

 

Fair enough.

[redsoxrules]

He's hit 4 in his last 9 games. That's a lot.

 

OMG I hate how poeple pick and choose the stats . season is 162 games

every game counts , so how's he doing thus far this year ?

 

 

just like last year how Ortiz had such a great second half ( witch wasent even that great )

[Dipre]

OMG I hate how poeple pick and choose the stats . season is 162 games

every game counts , so how's he doing thus far this year ?

 

 

just like last year how Ortiz had such a great second half ( witch wasent even that great )

 

In all fairness, an .866 OPS is nothing to sneeze at when both your BA and OBP are being dragged down by an abnormal .270 BABIP. With a BABIP within his normal parameters, Papi posts a .900 OPS in the second half and boosts his season OPS above the .800 mark.

[a700hitter]

If he ends up with an OPS around .800 with 30 + bombs that is pretty good productivity.

[Chamomile]

OMG I hate how poeple pick and choose the stats . season is 162 games

every game counts , so how's he doing thus far this year ?

 

 

just like last year how Ortiz had such a great second half ( witch wasent even that great )

 

Who cares that he struggled in April if he hits 30 home runs and drives in 100 over the rest of the season?

[TedWilliams101]

Who cares that he struggled in April if he hits 30 home runs and drives in 100 over the rest of the season?

 

Exactly. The whole reason you give him time right now is to see if he can regain his form. If the Sox FO didn't think his line last year was any good, he wouldn't be on this team right now. The fact is, .800+ OPS, 30 HR, and 100 RBI isn't easy to come by. We just want to see him get hot quicker than he did last year.

[YeAuldBroade]

OMG I hate how poeple pick and choose the stats . season is 162 games

every game counts , so how's he doing thus far this year ?

 

 

just like last year how Ortiz had such a great second half ( witch wasent even that great )

I hate when people nit pick stats to prove a point too but in this case it's relevant. Papi's in a horrible slump... he's showing signs very recently of coming out of said slump... therefore any recent stats are relevant.

[ORS]

just like last year how Ortiz had such a great second half ( witch wasent even that great )

His season last year was a two part season. It was. He was awful for the first part, and very good for the second. The problem with this post isn't the accuracy of your description, but where you define the dividing line between those two parts. It's not first half vs. second half. He was awful, and looked awful for the first two months of the season, but in early June he started looking different and hitting the ball. This isn't cherry picking, but it's drawing the line where I noticed a change in how he looked at the plate, no longer lost and guessing, but reacting to the ball with good timing.

 

From June 1 through the end of the season: .264/.345/.548, with, like Dipre said, a well below career average BABIP.

 

That's pretty good. I didn't subscribe to mlb.tv this year because I don't have the time to watch as many of the games, so I don't know how he looks now relative to his poor start last year. But, if he can pull out of it again this year, I'll take similar numbers, and if he gets his BABIP back, he will be very good.

 

That's a .900 OPS. Right now the FO is faced with a dilemma and a few choices. The dilemma is they want a productive DH, and .900 is very productive. They can play Lowell, but they are unlikely to get .900. They can make a trade, which will cost money (more than likely) and talent (for certain). Or, they can do nothing, and, potentially, get their .900 bat like they did last season. The fact that he turned it around, and did it at time that made him productive for twice as long as he was unproductive last year, is what's driving their decision to be patient. And, right now, he's starting to look like he's turning it around earlier than he did last year. History suggests this patience is warranted, and every good game he has in the near future will only add to that patience.

 

Who knows, he could be cooked. But it would be rash to assume so now based on everything that has transpired.

[redsoxrules]

Exactly. The whole reason you give him time right now is to see if he can regain his form. If the Sox FO didn't think his line last year was any good' date=' he wouldn't be on this team right now. [/b'] The fact is, .800+ OPS, 30 HR, and 100 RBI isn't easy to come by. We just want to see him get hot quicker than he did last year.

 

its kinda hard to dump his salary , also, I bet he wont be on the team next year

[SCM33]

That line drive to right on a full count was a vintage Papi swing......great AB.

[yeszir]

Ortiz is back

 

 

maybe.

[YeAuldBroade]

Ortiz is back

 

 

maybe.

I agree, perhaps.

[Spudboy]

I concur, possibly.

[RedSoxRooter]

He's back for the summer but will shrivel up and die like everything else when the weather turns cold again.

 

Enjoy it while it lasts!

 

:ortiz:

[Chamomile]

Meanwhile' date=' Ortiz keeps hitting bombs...[/quote']

[Rdsxmbnt]

Ortiz is going to turn it around starting tonight

[SCM33]

3-6, 2 RBI, hitting .232 now.

[SoxSport]

Papi isn't "back". His overall stats have been declining for several years. He isn't the hitter he was-for whatever reason. But he seems to be better the last few games, so you keep your fingers crossed.

[a700hitter]

Papi isn't "back". His overall stats have been declining for several years. He isn't the hitter he was-for whatever reason. But he seems to be better the last few games' date=' so you keep your fingers crossed.[/quote']No hitter maintains a prime like he had between 2004-2007. Coming down from that performance doesn't mean that a guy is through. He can still be a very productive power hitter for the 2010 team.

[Dipre]

Dunno about you guys, but i just picked him up for one of my fantasy teams. I trust he's in mid-2009 form now.

[YeAuldBroade]

Well I think he's back. My proof, two out, Youk walks to load the bases and I'm psyched Papi's coming to the plate.... It's been a long time since I actually believed he was going to do something positive ...

 

btw.. it was when he got a single, drove in one run and Pedroia was then thrown out at the plate.

[Emmz]

He's back from suckitude, that's all I know.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's found his rhythm again.

[example1]

I'm not sure what to make of Ortiz. Overall I think the "he's back" discussion is a bit off target. He's "back" in the sense that he's no longer a waste of space in the middle of the lineup. He's not "back" in the sense that he's no longer a substantial threat to other clubs.

 

To me he's a Konerko or Magglio Ordonez or something. He's the type of player I see on other teams and say "yeah, that's good for them but not for a great team like the Red Sox". He's not a true AL East middle-order bat. He's too vulnerable and doesn't consistently spray the ball to all fields with power.

 

I guess the long and short of it is that even with a resurgent Ortiz they need more than that in their lineup. This is a non-threatening club like the ones that win the AL Central every year. Part of me hopes they underperform so Theo will be motivated to make the moves he needs to make sooner than later. Overall I think it is inevitable that they're coming, so why wait under the auspices that this team can still win 90 games?

[a700hitter]

I'm not sure what to make of Ortiz. Overall I think the "he's back" discussion is a bit off target. He's "back" in the sense that he's no longer a waste of space in the middle of the lineup. He's not "back" in the sense that he's no longer a substantial threat to other clubs.

 

To me he's a Konerko or Magglio Ordonez or something. He's the type of player I see on other teams and say "yeah, that's good for them but not for a great team like the Red Sox". He's not a true AL East middle-order bat. He's too vulnerable and doesn't consistently spray the ball to all fields with power.

 

I guess the long and short of it is that even with a resurgent Ortiz they need more than that in their lineup. This is a non-threatening club like the ones that win the AL Central every year. Part of me hopes they underperform so Theo will be motivated to make the moves he needs to make sooner than later. Overall I think it is inevitable that they're coming, so why wait under the auspices that this team can still win 90 games?

He's going to hit 30 bombs and knock in more than 90 runs. That is something they need desperately. They need to get Victor "the turtle" Martinez on track or drop him to the 6th slot in the order until he gets hot.

 

Look at the games that this team has given away with poor fundamentals, stupidity, and bad third base coaching. Change the out come of those games and the Sox are in the tick of contending. Good teams don't lose by giving away games. The coaching staff has to take the hit for those games.

[yeszir]

I agree. I think Martinez has the potential to be a bigger catalyst than Ortiz on this team.