Schilling: Sign Beckett -- Now

[a700hitter]

There is no discussion. There's just you and a700 talking past each other.

 

Let's recap shall we?

 

Your point: That a shoulder injury early in Beckett's career puts him at greater risk for shoulder-related injury and resulting useless late in his career.

 

A700's rebuttal: There's a number of examples of power righthanders with similar injuries early in their career who did not have significant shoulder troubles later in their career. Example, Roger Clemens, who had a shoulder injury in 1985 but didn't miss significant time because of his shoulder later in his career, and indeed went on to pitch well into his 40's.

 

Your response: He missed a couple starts in 1993. You are therefore wrong. As this undeniably proves my complete intellectual superiority over you I will now act like a total douche and disrupt further debate with pointless snark.

 

a700: How does a couple injuries in 1993 which didn't cost him any real time or imperil his future career have any bearing on my argument? Or on the discussion to this point at all?

 

Your response: Nyah. Nyah I say. I have already demonstrated my intellectual superiority. You continue to attempt to make points. Thus you are clearly a sore loser, so again I say, Nyah.

 

Dude, you really aren't covering yourself with glory here.

That about sums it up.

[italstallianion]

Baiting?

 

 

No, I'm just smiling that someone else sees that you're an arrogant prick. It's not just me, and never has been.

[Imperial59]

I can't quote something that you edit out of a post.

 

Put up or shut up.

[a700hitter]

No' date=' I'm just smiling that someone else sees that you're an arrogant prick. It's not just me, and never has been.[/quote']Baiting and now name-calling. Mods?

[italstallianion]

He had to make it look like he was "winning" somehow :dunno:

 

 

He got me banned a week ago for doing the same thing. He baited and trolled his way into an argument and watched me react. Then he sat back as I ripped him and laughed when I was somehow the only one to get banned. He's one of the most arrogant and smug people on here. He thinks he's won everything.

[Imperial59]

That about sums it up.

 

Sure, if you're delusional. I'll ask you the same thing I asked Doj.

 

"Show a single post where I mentioned 1993/claimed I was intellectually superior to anyone/claimed that Clemens missed significant time or basically said anything else that you claimed that I said."

 

Put up or shut up. I'm tired of the constant straw mans, give me a quote.

[a700hitter]

Put up or shut up.

I'll just shut up and submit the written record for consideration.... assuming that you don't continue editing your posts after this post.

[italstallianion]

Baiting and now name-calling. Mods?

 

 

You're the only one that's ever baited. I'm guilty of name calling and overreacting, but you cannot even think about denying that you're a baiting troll. That one is just undeniable. I've learned from my mistakes, but you've never acknowledged yours.

[Imperial59]

He got me banned a week ago for doing the same thing. He baited and trolled his way into an argument and watched me react. Then he sat back as I ripped him and laughed when I was somehow the only one to get banned. He's one of the most arrogant and smug people on here. He thinks he's won everything.

 

It's no big deal. He can make all the empty claims he wants but I'm not going to get upset and start making personal insults against him. I'm just going to continue to ask him to put up or shut up and provide a single quote to back up anything that he's claimed that I've said.

[Imperial59]

I'll just shut up and submit the written record for consideration.... assuming that you don't continue editing your posts after this post.

 

That's what I thought

[Dojji]

Being that he hasn't had any shoulder issues in years' date=' I don't see it as an issue in the the Lee/Beckett discussion. Rocket had shoulder surgery early in his career, and it was never an issue as he pitched well into his 40's.[/quote']

 

 

I was just fact checking. You said he never had any shoulder troubles with the Red Sox after 1985 so I looked it up and saw that he went on the DL in 1990 because of his shoulder. It's alright' date=' you admitted that you're not actually correct 100% of the time the other week so we're not breaking any new ground here [/quote']

 

I stand by my unresearched statement that his shoulder was not an issue after 1985 as he missed no significant time on account of his shoulder. By all means' date=' research away to see if he skipped a couple of starts in other years. It doesn't take a lot of research to figure out that he didn't have many arm problems. Just check his career stats.[/quote']

 

You simply aren't the type to admit when you make a mistake' date=' are you? You get bitter, claim the other person's post in which they proved you wrong is irrelevant and when they challenge you on it, you claim they lost the argument. Why so serious?[/quote']

 

 

 

OK I got the last digit wrong. You made a snarky post that barely contradicted the smallest of a700's point, one that had no bearing on the argument you were originally making, and have allowed yourself to claim some kind of victory based on that.

 

You must be incredibly bored.

[Imperial59]

OK I got the last digit wrong. You made a snarky post that barely contradicted the smallest of a700's point, one that had no bearing on the argument you were originally making, and have allowed yourself to claim some kind of victory based on that.

 

You must be incredibly bored.

 

Nope, you just posted I response I made to a completely different 700 post and acted as if it was a response to the 700 post above. Try again?

[Dojji]

a700 brought up Clemens as a relevant example of a power pitcher who'd had shoulder issues early in his career and went on to have a long career. There were plenty of others he could have used -- John Smoltz and Curt Schilling would both have applied well enough.

 

You were the one who sent us on this pointless, massive digression by attempting to claim a moral victory by planting your flag on a meaningless technicality that had no bearing on anything that came before it.

[Imperial59]

a700 brought up Clemens as a relevant example of a power pitcher who'd had shoulder issues early in his career and went on to have a long career. There were plenty of others he could have used -- John Smoltz and Curt Schilling would both have applied well enough.

 

You were the one who sent us on this pointless, massive digression by attempting to claim a moral victory by planting your flag on a meaningless technicality that had no bearing on anything that came before it.

 

You're the third wheel here, attacking me for disagreeing with another poster because you're bitter that I disagreed with you about whether Lee or Beckett was the better pitcher going forward. Who's really the one send us on a pointless tangent here?

[Dipre]

You guys all need to shut the f*** up.

 

Actual conclusion:

 

We would all be content with either Lee or Beckett in the rotation. They're both horses.

[Dojji]

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[Imperial59]

You guys all need to shut the f*** up.

 

Actual conclusion:

 

We would all be content with either Lee or Beckett in the rotation. They're both horses.

 

Yeah, you're right. I got carried away, my bad.

[Dipre]

Stop with the macros, the insults, and the shoulder issues plz.

[yeszir]

Stop with the macros' date=' the insults, and the shoulder issues plz.[/quote']

 

Oh the irony. You know things have gone too far when Dipre is the voice of reason in this thread.

[Dipre]

Indeed.

 

Since i'm usually the God of War on the site, but it's literally a dumb argument. No one would get angry if Beckett sucked ass and the FO went out and signed Lee or Lee wasn't that good and the FO kept Beckett.

[italstallianion]

Oh the irony. You know things have gone too far when Dipre is the voice of reason in this thread.

 

 

How many times will you find yourself saying that Yeszir?

[yeszir]

How many times will you find yourself saying that Yeszir?

 

f*** you.

[yeszir]

 

 

But seriously. Next post not related to THE ORIGINAL TOPIC earns the poster a 1 day ban.

[Dipre]

I have an interesting question though.

 

Who else thinks the "Career year" theory is a reality?

 

Health permitting, i see a 220 ip, 225 K, sub 3.50 ERA from Becket this walk year. I also see him never, ever putting up thos numbers again, no matter where he goes.

[Imperial59]

I have an interesting question though.

 

Who else thinks the "Career year" theory is a reality?

 

Health permitting, i see a 220 ip, 225 K, sub 3.50 ERA from Becket this walk year. I also see him never, ever putting up thos numbers again, no matter where he goes.

 

Do you mean contract year? Epstein recently made comments about how on average players don't show any significant improvement in contract years and all the stats I've seen back him up.

[Dipre]

Do you mean contract year?

 

Indeed. They're so closely related that the mistake should be understandable.

 

 

(See: Beltre, Adrian; Giambi, Jason.)

[Imperial59]

Indeed. They're so closely related that the mistake should be understandable.

 

 

(See: Beltre, Adrian; Giambi, Jason.)

 

As I added to my post above, players in contract years on average don't show any significant improvement. For every guy you could name that had a good contract year, I could name one that had a bad average contract year (Abreu, Renteria, Varitek, Cameron, Andruw Jones, etc.).

[Dojji]

Because Beltre's walk year in Seattle was fantastic.

 

Anywho, I'd take improved performance from Beckett in a walk year, but I lose respect for guys who can only focus well enough to perform at their peaks when there's money on the table. I'd rather know that I had a guy who'd give 100% at all times.

[Dojji]

From the OP, this is Schilling talking:

Here’s the other thing. Whatever you perceive Josh’s value to be at the end of this deal the one thing you know for sure is that he’ll still be giving you every ounce of everything he has, that’s just who he is. You cannot say the same thing for other guys around the league

 

So if "Contract Year" happens, IMHO it'd be a coincidence.

[Spudboy]

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