Yankees interested in Chan Ho Park

[Lester82]

Just heard on radio NYY signed Chan to 1.2m deal, i'll have to check out that story.

[Imperial59]

Just heard on radio NYY signed Chan to 1.2m deal' date=' i'll have to check out that story.[/quote']

 

Break up the Yankees!

[Dipre]

Just heard on radio NYY signed Chan to 1.2m deal' date=' i'll have to check out that story.[/quote']

 

MLBTR confirms it.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/02/yankees-sign-chan-ho-park.html

[Lester82]

Break up the Yankees!

 

Exactly!

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=4935400

[Dojji]

1.2 million for Chan Ho Park...

 

OK...

[Dipre]

Dave Cameron from Fangraphs on Park:

 

Breaking News: Chan Ho Park is good.

 

This afternoon, I talked about the reasons why Derek Jeter laying down a bunt in the seventh inning was a good idea (until there were two strikes, anyway). One of the common responses to the support of the bunt in that situation is that Jeter should have been swinging away because, to paraphrase the argument, Chan Ho Park was pitching and Chan Ho Park stinks.

 

I’m sorry, but this is one of those cases where I just have to scratch my head and wonder how reputations can gain such traction when they are so remarkably wrong. The idea that Park is a bad pitcher, especially out of the bullpen, is downright crazy.

 

Over the last two years, Park has thrown 179 innings with a FIP of 3.90, good for a value of +1.8 wins. He’s done it by racking up 152 strikeouts while also posting an above average groundball rate, which is a classic recipe for success. Just based on that performance, we’d have to conclude that he’s something like a league average pitcher.

 

However, those numbers don’t reflect the actual level of Park’s effectiveness as a reliever. They also include his failures in the rotation, where he was unable to sustain his velocity and got pounded as a result. When moved back to the bullpen, his stuff improved by leaps and bounds, as you can see in his velocity chart below.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/1267_P_FA_20090916.png

 

 

 

Park’s FIP as a relief pitcher this year? 2.10.

 

Now, a good chunk of that absurdly low mark is a 0.0% HR/FB rate that isn’t his actual talent level, but even when you adjust for that, he was still a lights out reliever this year, running a 3.25 K/BB rate and holding opposing hitters to a .231/.296/.280 line.

 

Additionally, Park is a right-handed pitcher with a significant platoon differential established over his entire career. RHBs have hit him at a .227/.311/.355 mark over his career, compared to .271/.368/.447 for LHBs. Jeter, being a right-handed hitter, was up against a right-handed relief pitcher who performs significantly better against same handed batters.

 

The idea that Jeter should have been swinging away because Chan Ho park was on the mound and a big rally was likely is the opposite of the truth. In reality, he’s a very good relief pitcher with the platoon advantage, and the match-up wasn’t likely to end well for Jeter.

 

[italstallianion]

I just think that Park gets a bad rep because he's been on the receiving end of more history than anyone else ie Cal Ripken's HR in the All Star game and Tatis' 2 Grand Slams in the same inning.

[jacksonianmarch]

$1.2 million? Was hoping for a split contract, but $1.2 mil is definitely something that Cashman could cut should he suck in camp. Depth is a good thing. Maybe this means Melancon starts the yr in AAA and moves up due to injury/ineffectiveness

[italstallianion]

If there's any team that could afford it, it would be the Yanks. This is popcorn money to Steinbrenner and Cashman. He probably spends at least $1.2 million on a hooker to asphyxiate him while he's masturbating. $1.2 million is nothing to these guys.

[26 to 6]

I believe it's a Major League deal as well, which I don't like, especially for that money. But if he's as good out of the pen for us as he was last year then it could be a good deal, as long as he's consistent.

[italstallianion]

You can only win. Worst case scenario, you're out $1.2 million. You can easily catch lightning in a bottle and have a reliable reliever for peanuts. While I can't prove that he'd be reliable, his numbers suggest you could do much worse. It's a low risk/high reward scenario for you guys.

[Imperial59]

I’m sorry, but this is one of those cases where I just have to scratch my head and wonder how reputations can gain such traction when they are so remarkably wrong. The idea that Park is a bad pitcher, especially out of the bullpen, is downright crazy.

 

Over the last two years, Park has thrown 179 innings with a FIP of 3.90, good for a value of +1.8 wins.

 

How is a 3.90 FIP good for a reliever?

[Imperial59]

I just think that Park gets a bad rep because he's been on the receiving end of more history than anyone else ie Cal Ripken's HR in the All Star game and Tatis' 2 Grand Slams in the same inning.

 

I think he gets a bad rep because he has an American League ERA of 5.79 and he's posted ERA's of 4.43, 3.40, 15.75, 4.81 and 5.74 over the last five years.

[Dipre]

How is a 3.90 FIP good for a reliever?

 

Because it's a bit better than league average.

[Imperial59]

Because it's a bit better than league average.

 

It can't be much more than .30 points better than league average for a relief pitcher. I think people are expecting him to be better than a 5th reliever or a depth signing because he had an ERA in the 2's last year as a reliever. But a 3.90 FIP isn't anything special for a reliever.

[Dipre]

What's league average for a relief pitcher?

 

I don't have the actual average on hand, but the team with the best cumulative reliever xFIP was Atlanta who's number was actually 3.90, they all rise from there, reaching a league-low 5.00 mark, so, by logic, the league average has to be above 3.90.

[Imperial59]

I don't have the actual average on hand' date=' but the team with the [b']best [/b] cumulative reliever xFIP was Atlanta who's number was actually 3.90, they all rise from there, reaching a league-low 5.00 mark, so, by logic, the league average has to be above 3.90.

 

What was the best cumulative FIP? That's the stats we're discussing.

 

EDIT: Answered my own question, it's 3.35. I'm sure a FIP of 3.90 is above average for a reliever, I just doubt it's above average by a significant margin.

[Dipre]

What was the best cumulative FIP? That's the stats we're discussing.

 

EDIT: Answered my own question, it's 3.35. I'm sure a FIP of 3.90 is above average for a reliever, I just doubt it's above average by a significant margin.

 

I was checking xFIP, which is usually higher than FIP, and no, neither his FIP or xFIP were significantly better than league average, but were above league average nonetheless.

[italstallianion]

It can't be much more than .30 points better than league average for a relief pitcher. I think people are expecting him to be better than a 5th reliever or a depth signing because he had an ERA in the 2's last year as a reliever. But a 3.90 FIP isn't anything special for a reliever.

 

 

Your point would have more merit if the Yankees desperately needed a reliever or if they paid more than $1.2 million for him. Neither of which is the case...

[Dipre]

Your point would have more merit if the Yankees desperately needed a reliever or if they paid more than $1.2 million for him. Neither of which is the case...

 

Bingo.

 

They took a cheap gamble on a guy who had a good year. He sucks, cut him loose, he does well, you look like a genius. Low-risk (1.2 Mill for the Yanks, lol) ,High reward.

[Imperial59]

Your point would have more merit if the Yankees desperately needed a reliever or if they paid more than $1.2 million for him. Neither of which is the case...

 

I never said anything about the Yankees desperately needing a reliever. I just said that I think people are expecting him to do better than a 3.90 ERA as a reliever

[italstallianion]

I never said anything about the Yankees desperately needing a reliever. I just said that I think people are expecting him to do better than a 3.90 ERA as a reliever

 

 

I never said that you said that the Yankees desperately need a reliever. I just said that your point would have more merit if the Yankees did desperately need one. Almost word for word.

[Imperial59]

I never said that you said that the Yankees desperately need a reliever. I just said that your point would have more merit if the Yankees did desperately need one. Almost word for word.

 

And I never said that you said that I said the Yankees depserately needed a starter

 

I simply said that I think people are expecting Park to do better than a 3.90 FIP.

[yankees228]

I never said anything about the Yankees desperately needing a reliever. I just said that I think people are expecting him to do better than a 3.90 ERA as a reliever

 

And who is saying this that is of any importance?

[Imperial59]

And who is saying this that is of any importance?

 

He had his own fangraphs article devoted to how "good" he is.

[Lester82]

1.2 M for Chan Ho

 

Waste. Not good. Signing.

 

But hey, I love it as a Sox fan. Thank you, Cashman...

[Lester82]

Was hoping for a split contract' date=' but $1.2 mil is definitely something that Cashman could cut should he suck in camp. Depth is a good thing. Maybe this means Melancon starts the yr in AAA and moves up due to injury/ineffectiveness[/quote']

 

My god.

 

I swear, you would somehow put a nice spin on Dick Cheney being your new closer.

 

"What, Dick Cheney? Mariano taught him how to throw the cutter...down in Tampa."

[Mr Crunchy]

Chan Ho Park has a 4 pitch arsenal and is able to keep hitters off balance by changing speeds on all of his pitches...Dont let his figures over the last 10 years fool you, he will be NY's next Shawn Chacon, Aaron Small or Al Leiter...

This move alone makes the Yankees infinitely better and by May he will have pitched his way to become their #2 starter after Burnett gets neutered, comes down with a uterine infection and is shelved for a couple of months...The good news for Burnett is the people at Vagisil have come with cash in hand. Mangina's are no longer a secret and Burnett will be the 1st pro who comes out of the closet and shows us all that Hemaphrodites can indeed play ball.

It isnt funny and I suspect more will follow the courageous Burnett down this lonely road of openess.

Exerpts from Mrs Burnetts diary.

""My husband and I were expecting a son, and found out upon birth that our child is actually biologically more female, and will have a surgery to remove what would be a non-functioning penis. There is no urethra in the penis. This is tough for us because our families expected that we were having a son since that's what we said the ultrasounds told us. Now we have to have sex reassignment surgery in the next month or so. It is all so confusing, but most of all, I worry for my now-daughter, because I want her to feel normal. I want this reassignment to be successful in every way so that she can grow up feeling like a "normal" woman. I'm so scared"".

Chan Ho Park? Come in from the cold MJ, this guy will be pitching in the National League by the break.

[Dojji]

Bump.

[yankees228]

Joe doesn't know how to use him. He's usually pretty good in the first inning, and then doesn't have anything left in the second inning, yet Joe keeps throwing him back out there for that second inning of work.