Why the obsession with A-Gon? Considering other alternatives...

[Dipre]

Derrick Lee would do the trick. I agree with Korneko for a year. We need someone. One more bat' date=' tell me Theo will give us one more xmas present.[/quote']

 

I, for one, find it very unlikely that Derrek Lee and his .972 OPS are coming to Boston, specially since the Cubs have no replacement for the position.

[jacksonianmarch]

There is zero chance he comes to Boston since the Cubs view themselves as contenders. And Lee is their best player.

[TheMino007]

I would love Miggy Cabrera and would be fine with him instead of Gonzo. The Padres are asking for the moon right now, and they have every right too, they have no need to trade Gonzo and Hoyer knows the Sox farm system inside and out. I'd call up the Tigers and see what it would take to get Miggy. If it costs less in terms of prospects, do it. Of course... he is owed 20 million... Gonzo is making peanuts in comparison. The Red Sox will not go over the luxury tax cap, so I think Miggy is out of the question. Gonzo is the only option at this point that is truly what we need. I'm beginning to think this team stands pat for now, has Kotchman start at first and then they will explore a trade as the season progresses and Theo sees how everyone is doing. Right now I don't see the Sox overspending in trading for Gonzo, but come trade deadline and we are in the the thick of a playoff race, I could see him trading both Ells and Buc.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Tigers would ask for more for Cabrera. He's a better player than AdGon and he's younger IIRC

[Tyler Durden]

The Tigers would ask for more for Cabrera. He's a better player than AdGon and he's younger IIRC

 

I would argue that.

 

2009:

 

Gonzalez - 166 OPS+

Cabrera- 142 OPS+

 

Plus far better defense at 1st.

[Dipre]

I would argue that.

 

2009:

 

Gonzalez - 166 OPS+

Cabrera- 142 OPS+

 

Plus far better defense at 1st.

 

Lol you stole my post!

[Gom]

The Tigers would ask less for Cabrera, mainly because of salary.

 

How accurate is OPS+, by the way? I can't find anywhere that lists what the ballpark factor is.

[jacksonianmarch]

OPS+ is a useful stat when used sparingly. Both of these guys played in tough ballparks. But the Tigers play in the AL and get to face very tough rotations regularly. I understand the whole NL West aces, but the rest of those rotations suck. I find it very hard to believe that AdGon would be able to replicate Cabrera's #s in Tiger's Stadium. Plus, Cabrera has been playing at this level since 2004, while AdGon really exploded this past season

[Tyler Durden]

Lol you stole my post!

 

Cabrera has a dynamite bat. Great average, high OBP, power. It's close between them. They are neck and neck, but I'll take Gonzalez because of the glove, and because of Cabrera's off the field issues.

 

But I will say, I would like to see Gonzalez repeat what he did last season. He's obviously gotten better and better the last 3 seasons, but I would like to see him put up another ELITE season before I would give him the big bucks.

[Emmz]

I have no idea how Cabrera is better than Gonzalez... I don't see that at all.

[jacksonianmarch]

Look at the stats since 2004 and you decide

[Tyler Durden]

I have no idea how Cabrera is better than Gonzalez... I don't see that at all.

 

It's close. Cabrera has a better track record, but Gonzalez is getting better and better.

[Dipre]

OPS+ is a useful stat when used sparingly. Both of these guys played in tough ballparks. But the Tigers play in the AL and get to face very tough rotations regularly. I understand the whole NL West aces' date=' but the rest of those rotations suck. I find it very hard to believe that AdGon would be able to replicate Cabrera's #s in Tiger's Stadium. Plus, Cabrera has been playing at this level since 2004, while AdGon really exploded this past season[/quote']

 

Nope.

 

He has been posting beastly road OPS's since he reached the league.

 

Career .935 road OPS. He exploded a couple years ago, to the extent in which the ballpark would allow him to.

[Emmz]

OPS+ is a useful stat when used sparingly. Both of these guys played in tough ballparks. But the Tigers play in the AL and get to face very tough rotations regularly. I understand the whole NL West aces' date=' but the rest of those rotations suck. I find it very hard to believe that AdGon would be able to replicate Cabrera's #s in Tiger's Stadium. Plus, Cabrera has been playing at this level since 2004, while AdGon really exploded this past season[/quote']

 

High OPS+ for the past two seasons. Debate the stat all you want, but Gonzalez has been better for the past two years now. In fact, he faces some of the toughest pitching competition in the Major League, in comparison to the AL Central. Who does he have to face off against? Greinke maybe once, maybe twice a year? How about facing off against Billingsley, Kershaw, Lincecum, Cain, Haren, Webb, etc. regularly?

[Emmz]

It's close. Cabrera has a better track record' date=' but Gonzalez is getting better and better.[/quote']

 

Of course, I acknowledge that, but Gonzalez has had the edge the past two seasons, not just the explosion this season. Gonzalez has been improving, while Cabrera has been basically the same. Also, Gonzalez's OPS+ from this year is superior to any OPS+ from any of Cabrera's previous seasons.