Unofficial Adrian Gonzalez thread.

[Emmz]

Seriously. Regardless of that, it doesn't need to be said. That's just the thing that causes breaks in the peace, the baiting.

[example1]

Anyone concerned about Gonzalez's 2009 (and career) splits.

 

[table] VS. | AVG | OBP | SLG | OPS |

Vs Right | .305 | .448 | .629 | 1.077 |

Vs Left: | .234 | .339 | .431 | .770 | [/table]

 

I'm a bit concerned about teams being able to shut him down late in the game... not so concerned that they shouldn't get him, but maybe enough to not give away active members of the current team.

[Dipre]

its not baiting. Its true. It was very peaceful here. No fights occured.

 

One last thought on the subject.

 

If you feel a blinding rage because you have been called out on a subject which you are obviously biased about (David Ortiz in this case) using stats and analysis, then i'd advice you issue your counter-statement utilizing the same tools which the person calling you out used, and if you are unable to prove your point, then either keep quiet, or admit the other person's point being correct, if your preferred counter-stance is baiting, then it shows deficiencies in your thought process that should not be exhibited by someone who claims to have such a vast knowledge of baseball-related issues.

 

This post is not meant to be inflammatory, but a piece of advice to avoid further conflict.

[Dipre]

Anyone concerned about Gonzalez's 2009 (and career) splits.

 

[table] VS. | AVG | OBP | SLG | OPS |

Vs Right | .305 | .448 | .629 | 1.077 |

Vs Left: | .234 | .339 | .431 | .770 | [/table]

 

I'm a bit concerned about teams being able to shut him down late in the game... not so concerned that they shouldn't get him, but maybe enough to not give away active members of the current team.

 

About as concerned as i am about his Home/Road Splits to be honest.

[Gom]

One last thought on the subject.

 

If you feel a blinding rage because you have been called out on a subject which you are obviously biased about (David Ortiz in this case) using stats and analysis, then i'd advice you issue your counter-statement utilizing the same tools which the person calling you out used, and if you are unable to prove your point, then either keep quiet, or admit the other person's point being correct, if your preferred counter-stance is baiting, then it shows deficiencies in your thought process that should not be exhibited by someone who claims to have such a vast knowledge of baseball-related issues.

 

This post is not meant to be inflammatory, but a piece of advice to avoid further conflict.

 

No...he's right. We had decent baseball conversations when you weren't here. Try to think why that happened. No need to respond. Just realize it, learn from it, and move on. Got it? Good.

[Emmz]

Anyone concerned about Gonzalez's 2009 (and career) splits.

 

[table] VS. | AVG | OBP | SLG | OPS |

Vs Right | .305 | .448 | .629 | 1.077 |

Vs Left: | .234 | .339 | .431 | .770 | [/table]

 

I'm a bit concerned about teams being able to shut him down late in the game... not so concerned that they shouldn't get him, but maybe enough to not give away active members of the current team.

 

Yeah, his splits against LHP are of concern, but atleast they're respectable. And I don't know that I would give away any active members besides Buchholz for him. I certainly wouldn't want to give up Ellsbury, as he's the only true lead-off man on the team. Like I've always said, I'd rather give up Buchholz, along with Kelly or possibly Westy, and then a couple other guys maybe.

[Dipre]

Oh really?

 

Have you been too busy in the ER to notice ORS/A700?

 

E1/A700?

Get real.

 

No...he's right. We had decent baseball conversations when you weren't here. Try to think why that happened. No need to respond. Just realize it' date=' learn from it, and move on. Got it? Good.[/quote']

 

This.

 

And also, with all due respect, i consider you to be the least indicated person to make that assessment. Alas, the pot calling the kettle black is human nature.

 

Anyways, i'm done with this.

[a700hitter]

But' date=' all of them are in peak shape and currently all of them are coming off good seasons and are fully healthy. Ortiz isnt. He's coming off wrist and knee injuries and last yr he looked like a sloth in the batters box. To deflect that is ignorant.[/quote']Last season, he was the healthiest he had been in 3 years. The knee and wrist were completely healed. He looked much better on the bases too. I make that observation from going to lots of Gamezzz. Another observation that I made from going to the gamez was that there was nothing wrong with his bat speed. I actually posted about that when he was in the middle of his slump and couldn't hit a soft tosser Uehara on the O's. I realized at that game that his bat was coming through the zone as fast or faster than everyone else on the team. He was having a hard time with pitch recognition and was starting the bat late. Even when he timed pitches he was swinging under them. He felt that he had changed some of his mechanics at the end of 2007 when playing through the wrist injury. Once he finally got on track, he was a major force in the lineup. Is he 2005, 2006 anymore? No but few players in the history of the game have reached that level.

 

Also' date=' Dipre, I see that your "flair" is coming back. Thats both good and bad. Your vacation from here was actually a peaceful time on the board, but when you arent hurling insults, you contribute a lot. Welcome back, hopefully it doesnt degenerate again[/quote']As a previously banned member, you know that baiting is against the rules. It doesn't lead to interesting discussion.:thumbdown

[example1]

About as concerned as i am about his Home/Road Splits to be honest.

 

Not concerned? Why?

 

 

Like I've always said' date=' I'd rather give up Buchholz, along with Kelly or possibly Westy, and then a couple other guys maybe.[/quote']

 

I feel like that would be too much. Ellsbury isn't worth as much as Buchholz and Kelly, is he?

[Dipre]

Not concerned? Why?

 

Pretty sure PETCO is is much to blame for that as well. That number could presumably jump significantly at Fenway.

[Emmz]

I feel like that would be too much. Ellsbury isn't worth as much as Buchholz and Kelly' date=' is he?[/quote']

 

The way that I see it, Ellsbury is more valuable to this team, because he's one of the better lead-off hitters in baseball, and is the only speedster on this team. We can have all the power-hitting we want, but every power-hitting team should have a guy who can get on base well, and steal bases.

 

I personally would rather do without Buchholz than Ellsbury.

[Dipre]

Homeruns hit by Adrian Gonzales against LHP in 2009:

 

04/09/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Ohman, Will LAD PETCO Park

 

05/13/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Lilly, Ted CHC Wrigley Field

 

05/13/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Lilly, Ted CHC Wrigley Field

 

05/22/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Cotts, Neal CHC PETCO Park

 

05/25/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Davis, Doug ARI Chase Field

 

05/31/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD De La Rosa, Jorge COL Coors Field

 

06/02/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Bastardo, Antonio PHI PETCO Park

 

06/23/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Olson, Garrett SEA Safeco Field

 

08/13/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Parra, Manny MIL Miller Park

 

09/09/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Zito, Barry SF AT&T Park

 

Source: Adrian Gonzales Hit Tracker.

 

As you can see by the above list, only 3 of the 10 HR's Gonzalez hit against LHP were launched at Petco Park, so his platoon issues are extremely magnified by playing half his games at said venue.

[Emmz]

Not to mention, his stats against LHP aren't exactly TERRIBLE, per se. They're just much lower than what he hits against RHP. I don't think it's much to be worried about, personally, as I don't feel that it should stop us from sending Buchholz and prospects to SD for his services. He'll be the cleanup hitter that we need.

[italstallianion]

On another site someone showed a spray chart of Adrian Gonzalez's HR's and flyouts in Petco superimposed on Fenway, and showed that double digit flyouts at Petco were doubles/HR's at Fenway. If only I could find the damn thing.

[Dipre]

On another site someone showed a spray chart of Adrian Gonzalez's HR's and flyouts in Petco superimposed on Fenway' date=' and showed that double digit flyouts at Petco were doubles/HR's at Fenway. If only I could find the damn thing.[/quote']

 

Please do.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Bastardo, Antonio

 

lol

[Imperial59]

Also' date=' Dipre, I see that your "flair" is coming back. Thats both good and bad. Your vacation from here was actually a peaceful time on the board, but when you arent hurling insults, you contribute a lot. Welcome back, hopefully it doesnt degenerate again[/quote']

 

If you really want to keep things peaceful then why are you baiting him like that? That's really not necessary.

[Imperial59]

Anyone concerned about Gonzalez's 2009 (and career) splits.

 

[table] VS. | AVG | OBP | SLG | OPS |

Vs Right | .305 | .448 | .629 | 1.077 |

Vs Left: | .234 | .339 | .431 | .770 | [/table]

 

I'm a bit concerned about teams being able to shut him down late in the game... not so concerned that they shouldn't get him, but maybe enough to not give away active members of the current team.

 

That's a valid point. I never really noticed that he's a career .244/.316/.428 hitter against lefties.

[Loretta2]

On another site someone showed a spray chart of Adrian Gonzalez's HR's and flyouts in Petco superimposed on Fenway' date=' and showed that double digit flyouts at Petco were doubles/HR's at Fenway. If only I could find the damn thing.[/quote']

 

There's a pretty good ESPN article talking about this, there's no chart but still interesting read.... i cant post links sorry

 

I simply googled "adrian gonzalez fly chart in fenway", it was one of the first links

[Emmz]

That's a valid point. I never really noticed that he's a career .244/.316/.428 hitter against lefties.

 

I believe Petco Park has been responsible in part for that, though. I think a move to Fenway would provide a huge boost to those numbers. Petco Park is the least hitter-friendly park in the bigs, probably.

[Dipre]

Homeruns hit by Adrian Gonzales against LHP in 2009:

 

04/09/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Ohman, Will LAD PETCO Park

 

05/13/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Lilly, Ted CHC Wrigley Field

 

05/13/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Lilly, Ted CHC Wrigley Field

 

05/22/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Cotts, Neal CHC PETCO Park

 

05/25/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Davis, Doug ARI Chase Field

 

05/31/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD De La Rosa, Jorge COL Coors Field

 

06/02/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Bastardo, Antonio PHI PETCO Park

 

06/23/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Olson, Garrett SEA Safeco Field

 

08/13/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Parra, Manny MIL Miller Park

 

09/09/09 Gonzalez, Adrian SD Zito, Barry SF AT&T Park

 

Source: Adrian Gonzales Hit Tracker.

 

As you can see by the above list, only 3 of the 10 HR's Gonzalez hit against LHP were launched at Petco Park, so his platoon issues are extremely magnified by playing half his games at said venue.

 

This.

 

On another site someone showed a spray chart of Adrian Gonzalez's HR's and flyouts in Petco superimposed on Fenway' date=' and showed that double digit flyouts at Petco were doubles/HR's at Fenway. If only I could find the damn thing.[/quote']

 

Plus this, which i found thanks to you:

 

http://daigo.org/contents_images/2009/gonzalez-2009flyouts.jpg

[Emmz]

Absolutely nice find by Ital and Dipre for digging it up. So yeah, he'd add quite a few more HR's at Fenway most likely... Pretty awesome.

[bsox0407]

Absolutely nice find by Ital and Dipre for digging it up. So yeah' date=' he'd add quite a few more HR's at Fenway most likely... Pretty awesome.[/quote']

 

Please send this to Theo Fast.

[Imperial59]

This.

 

 

 

Plus this, which i found thanks to you:

 

http://daigo.org/contents_images/2009/gonzalez-2009flyouts.jpg

 

I'm not surprised that if he was hitting in Fenway he would have had about a dozen more home runs. PETCO is statistically the worst hitting park in baseball and the second worst home run hitting park in baseball. Last year, Gonzalez hit 28 home runs on the road compared to only 12 at home. That could have translated to a 50 HR season in a more friendly hitting park.

[Emmz]

Plus the games at New Yankee Stadium, too.

[Dipre]

I'm not surprised that if he was hitting in Fenway he would have had about a dozen more home runs. PETCO is statistically the worst hitting park in baseball and the second worst home run hitting park in baseball. Last year' date=' Gonzalez hit 28 home runs on the road compared to only 12 at home. That could have translated to a 50 HR season in a more friendly hitting park.[/quote']

 

My theory is, that being a Fly Ball hitter, Gonzales' split issues are much more exposed while playing at Petco.

[bsox0407]

Plus the games at New Yankee Stadium' date=' too.[/quote']

 

He would end with about 150 a year if he played the whole year there. BONDS WATCH THE f*** OUT FOR THIS GUY. :harhar:

[Keeper]

Is it possible to get Agon's splits against LHP exclusively on the road?

[Dipre]

Is it possible to get Agon's splits against LHP exclusively on the road?

 

I'm looking them up as we speak.

[Rdsxmbnt]

This.

 

 

 

Plus this, which i found thanks to you:

 

http://daigo.org/contents_images/2009/gonzalez-2009flyouts.jpg

 

This is actually really impressive since it looks like playing in Fenway would have added an extra 17 or so XBH, many of which would be HR.