The John Lackey Thread

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Around 20 million per is the going rate for a premium pitcher these days especially one who has proven himself in the AL East and the playoffs. He'll be 30 years old when he's a FA. With the Angels basically letting everything go this year and they put in bids over 20 million for CC I imagine they will be right there. Houston knows Oswalt is getting up there and a home grown Texas pitcher can drive up attendance. The Dodgers are iffy with there situation but they have shown they will spend and the White Sox will do it if they think it will put them over the top to the playoffs.

 

Pitching is becoming wildly expensive in todays market. The aces of team staff's are now coming to expect to be paid like an everyday player and the second and third guys are getting paid like Aces where not 4 or 5 years ago. Its one reason why a team like the Red Sox are drafting so much pitching year after year because its becoming more financially smart to groom them yourself so you can keep the payroll in check. Plus when you need a bat nothing has a higher trade value then a good young arm to a team that limits their player spending

 

While I agree that pitching is expensive and that the Sox are trying to keep a stable full of young developing arms, I disagree that Beckett is a $20m premium pitcher. There's only 3 in baseball, as far as I know:

 

From Cot's:

CC Sabathia, $23,000,000 (2009-15)

Johan Santana, $22,916,667 (2008-13)

Roy Halladay, $20,000,000 (2010-2012) (Assumed)

 

Beckett simply isn't in this class, is he? Everyone agrees that he's shown glimpses of being just as dominant, but he hasn't put it together as consistently as these guys have.

 

I think Beckett could make more than Lackey, but not as much as Halladay. $18.5m/yr; I'm calling 5 yrs/$92m. If he doesn't resign now his 2010 should be an interesting contract year for him. If he's going to dominante that will be the year to do it.

[riverside sluggers]

Lackey's press conference will be at 11:30am ET. Mike Cameron's is at 1:30

 

And I agree with the other posters, making Beckett an offer of 5 years/$80-85 should get it done

[Emmz]

Yeah, I see no reason why he'd be able to command Halladay money, especially when he's a lot more comparable, as said before, to a John Lackey. Only the Yanks would spend that kind of money on Josh Beckett, which I don't see happening.

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Lackey's press conference will be at 11:30am ET. Mike Cameron's is at 1:30

 

And I agree with the other posters, making Beckett an offer of 5 years/$80-85 should get it done

Other way around as far as I understand. Cameron at 11:30 and Lackey at 1:30

 

(from MLBTR)

[riverside sluggers]

Damn Ill be out the door, by the time the Lackey presser starts. Oh well, Ill just dvr it

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Damn Ill be out the door' date=' by the time the Lackey presser starts. Oh well, Ill just dvr it[/quote']

There ya go!

 

I remember I skipped school to watch the A-Rod press conference back in '04

 

The fact that they were replaying it ALL DAY didn't even factor into my decision lol

[riverside sluggers]

Yea haha Ill be working 2-11. Weird shift I know, but a position days could be opening up. Fingers crossed here

 

Im just pumped because this is the biggest free agent signing of a pitcher in awhile (not including Dice-K). Props to the Sox FO for keeping this tight lipped

[SoxSport]

What gets done with Buchholz will def tell you a lot about what the Sox plan to do with Beckett. if they plan to let Beckett walk there is no way there trading him. If they do trade him they must feel pretty good that they can get a deal done

 

Trading Buchholz and Westmoreland for AdGon makes Beckett affordable. Maybe that's what the plan is.

[CoachC.]

While I agree that pitching is expensive and that the Sox are trying to keep a stable full of young developing arms, I disagree that Beckett is a $20m premium pitcher. There's only 3 in baseball, as far as I know:

 

From Cot's:

CC Sabathia, $23,000,000 (2009-15)

Johan Santana, $22,916,667 (2008-13)

Roy Halladay, $20,000,000 (2010-2012) (Assumed)

 

Beckett simply isn't in this class, is he? Everyone agrees that he's shown glimpses of being just as dominant, but he hasn't put it together as consistently as these guys have.

 

I think Beckett could make more than Lackey, but not as much as Halladay. $18.5m/yr; I'm calling 5 yrs/$92m. If he doesn't resign now his 2010 should be an interesting contract year for him. If he's going to dominante that will be the year to do it.

 

The point is though, as shown with the Zito contract, is there is always a team willing to overspend. Beckett might not be in there class but he wouldnt have to be for a team to offer him on a 20 million per deal. Beckett is known as a pretty good regular season pitcher and has earned the title of a big game post season pitcher, you put that out there on the open market and teams are going to come in bidding high.

 

We'll see what happens if he hits the open market, I can almost guarantee that more than one team is going to come in at a 20 mil per avg

 

Earning $12.5 million in his last year, Beckett will likely shoot for a contract around $20 million for six years — a total package of $120 million. I doubt this happens, because the team won’t want to commit to six years although Beckett is one of the rare pitchers you justify for. I think that Boston will try to get him to sign a five-year, $90 million deal ($18 per year) but that also won’t fly.

 

In the end, I’m calling a six-year, $111 million deal for Captain Kickass.

 

http://firebrandal.com/2009/11/04/what-could-josh-beckett-sign-for.html

 

Bottom line this is going to be Becketts last big deal of his career and since he's been one of the best bargains in baseball the past three years I imagine he is going to be looking to cash in on his final big deal. I dont see how this deal gets done for under a 100 million but like I said before I will gladly eat crow if it does

[Dipre]

The point is though, as shown with the Zito contract, is there is always a team willing to overspend. Beckett might not be in there class but he wouldnt have to be for a team to offer him on a 20 million per deal. Beckett is known as a pretty good regular season pitcher and has earned the title of a big game post season pitcher, you put that out there on the open market and teams are going to come in bidding high.

 

We'll see what happens if he hits the open market, I can almost guarantee that more than one team is going to come in at a 20 mil per avg

 

The problem is that, again, the only team who has the resources to offer 20 per for a pitcher are the Yankees, the Mets, after they sign one of Holliday/Bay (and they will) won't have the money either, also, remember that teams have the leverage to negotiate with him a longer contract that pays him less AAV than Halladay, because he simply shouldn't be paid more than Halladay or Santana, because they're much better, and it's not the Yankees we're talking about.

 

 

http://firebrandal.com/2009/11/04/what-could-josh-beckett-sign-for.html

 

Bottom line this is going to be Becketts last big deal of his career and since he's been one of the best bargains in baseball the past three years I imagine he is going to be looking to cash in on his final big deal. I dont see how this deal gets done for under a 100 million but like I said before I will gladly eat crow if it does

 

The point is not the 100 mill, it's the 20 mill AAV. In the contract scenario you just posted, he would make 18.5 annually, not 20, and also, i highly doubt he gets 6 years guaranteed unless a team is really desperate.

[riverside sluggers]

The problem is that' date=' again, the only team who has the resources to offer 20 per for a pitcher are the Yankees, the Mets, after they sign one of Holliday/Bay (and they will) won't have the money either, also, remember that teams have the leverage to negotiate with him a longer contract that pays him less AAV than Halladay, because he simply shouldn't be paid more than Halladay or Santana, because they're much better, and it's not the Yankees we're talking about. [/quote']

 

Plus the teams that can spend that kind of money will also have Cliff Lee and Brandon Webb to choose from

[TheMino007]

Beckett isn't worth the 20 million that Halladay received, nevermind the 23 million CC and Santana have received, he simply isn't as good as them. I think he is worth slightly more than Lackey, but 19-20 million is a lot for Beckett. 5 years 90 is what Beckett should get.

[Dipre]

Plus the teams that can spend that kind of money will also have Cliff Lee and Brandon Webb to choose from

 

It's quite simple IMO, Beckett's lack of consistency won't allow him to break the bank like he might expect to do so even if he has a monster 2010.

[riverside sluggers]

2 pitchers he is most comparable to (AJ Burnett, John Lackey) is his ceiling for contract talks. 5 years/$82.5 million to stay with team that is expected to contend every year

[SoxSport]

Beckett is worth less than Halliday money. Discount the other two--inflated NY dollars. I would take Halliday over any of them.

[italstallianion]

Does anyone else think that Lackey sounds like a Ray Romano with a Texas accent?

[riverside sluggers]

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why does it look like theo is crying.

[Lester82]

on a sidenote, Krista Lackey is the anti Mrs. Teixeira. Not only did she want her husband in a Red Sox uniform but she's also beautiful. If anyone has seen Leigh Teixeira, ah, she's not krista.

[Dipre]

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Sweet piece of ass. If he wasn't a ballplayer, no way she's hooking up with that beast.

[Keeper]

Lackey has done well for himself.

[bsox0407]

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Sweet piece of ass. If he wasn't a ballplayer, no way she's hooking up with that beast.

 

Wow she is really hot. I am Impressed. I know Like Lackey even more.

[Emmz]

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Sweet piece of ass. If he wasn't a ballplayer, no way she's hooking up with that beast.

 

I'd hit it :thumbsup:

[bsox0407]

I'd hit it :thumbsup:

 

Awkward do we have a Coming out of the Closet. j/k

[Lester82]

lol!

 

it's so true about lackey not being able to score that wife w/ out being a ballplayer. (I've also seen Sabathia's wife, who's cute, she'd never hook up with that fatso if no $$ was involved.) David Wells has a hottie too

[Emmz]

lol!

 

it's so true about lackey not being able to score that wife w/ out being a ballplayer. (I've also seen Sabathia's wife, who's cute, she'd never hook up with that fatso if no $$ was involved.) David Wells has a hottie too

 

Well he IS black. Well, dark-skinned.

[bsox0407]

lol!

 

it's so true about lackey not being able to score that wife w/ out being a ballplayer. (I've also seen Sabathia's wife, who's cute, she'd never hook up with that fatso if no $$ was involved.) David Wells has a hottie too

 

So many people would not have hot wifes without money. Drew Brees. The Mannings. CC. Lackey. Wells. Brady. No way Gizelle or whatever her name is would go after him if he was poor.

[Emmz]

Awkward do we have a Coming out of the Closet. j/k

 

[Emmz]

So many people would not have hot wifes without money. Drew Brees. The Mannings. CC. Lackey. Wells. Brady. No way Gizelle or whatever her name is would go after him if he was poor.

 

Tom Brady? You kidding? Sexy, sexy.

[bsox0407]

Tom Brady? You kidding? Sexy' date=' sexy.[/quote']

 

I know, no homo he is a really good looking guy. but would gizelle still have his kid. Super Model with A non football player.