Jose Iglesias - Possible solution to SS problem

[riverside sluggers]

Stephen Strassburg will no doubt see time with the Nationals this coming season

[Dojji]

Hansen is a fair example of a prospect rushed to the Majors.

 

Why wouldn't he be?

 

In a word, because he's a relief pitcher. Relief pitchers fail all the time for all sorts of stupid reasons. Also because there's a second reason for his disaster -- besides promoting too soon, they also tampered with his delivery.

 

It's not an awful example, I just think WMP is a better one when we're talking about position players.

[Dojji]

Stephen Strassburg will no doubt see time with the Nationals this coming season

 

The Nationals are not a good example of how best to run a franchise.

[Dipre]

In a word, because he's a relief pitcher. Relief pitchers fail all the time for all sorts of stupid reasons. Also because there's a second reason for his disaster -- besides promoting too soon, they also tampered with his delivery.

 

It's not an awful example, I just think WMP is a better one when we're talking about position players.

 

We're talking about players rushed to the Majors. Craig Hansen was rushed to the Majors. Is there something i'm not seeing?

[riverside sluggers]

There are more cases of pitchers being rushed up too fast than positional players. Another pitcher that was rushed up too fast was Mark Prior

[Dojji]

Yes, and Rich Harden, and Kerry Wood, and Zack Greinke, and, and, and. Sometimes guys even rise past it, which is why it gets tried, but we're talking about position players, so I think Alex Gordon, or Jarrod Saltalamacchia, or Wily Mo Pena are probably better people to talk about.

[Dipre]

Yes' date=' and Rich Harden, and Kerry Wood, and Zack Greinke, and, and, and. Sometimes guys even rise past it, which is why it gets tried, but we're talking about position players, so I think Alex Gordon, or Jarrod Saltalamacchia, or Wily Mo Pena are probably better people to talk about.[/quote']

 

I don't think Gordon was rushed.

 

Salty had burned MiLB pitching.

 

WMP on the other hand......have at him.

[Dojji]

I don't think Gordon was rushed.

 

Alex Gordon's minor league career lasted exactly one season before he debuted in 2007. He might have been a polished college player, but one year? Yeah, he was rushed.

 

Salty had burned MiLB pitching.

 

He was pretty up and down actually. Take a look at those numbers again.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/Jarrod-Saltalamacchia.shtml

 

Before his promotion, the only real "burning" he did was in A+ ball, or over 22 games in AA ball. I think the perception and the hype are much greater than the reality, even with Salty's minor league numbers.

 

That's not to say he wasn't a great prospect. But rushed? Yeah, IMHO he was rushed, and he's getting exposed now as a result.

 

WMP on the other hand......have at him.

 

Thank you kindly, sir.

[Dipre]

Alex Gordon's minor league career lasted exactly one season before he debuted in 2007. He might have been a polished college player' date=' but one year? Yeah, he was rushed.[/quote']

 

He was solid on his first year in the Majors. The talent evaluation was correct.

 

He was pretty up and down actually. Take a look at those numbers again.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/Jarrod-Saltalamacchia.shtml

 

Before his promotion, the only real "burning" he did was in A+ ball, or over 22 games in AA ball. I think the perception and the hype are much greater than the reality, even with Salty's minor league numbers.

 

That's not to say he wasn't a great prospect. But rushed? Yeah, IMHO he was rushed, and he's getting exposed now as a result.

 

His AA cumulative stats tell the whole story. Besides, Salty's problem has never been the stick.

[BSN07]

Stephen Strassburg will no doubt see time with the Nationals this coming season

 

Maybe, it will depend on his knee though. Like I said in the Strasburg thread, I have a couple friends that work for the Nationals. And they both said in different conversations that Strasburg's knee is worse then what they are letting out. And it would be a semi miracle for him to be ready to go at the beginning of the season. And if he starts the season late I don't see him making the ML team this year. But that's just what I think

 

Take from it what you will, I'm only sharing what I was told

[mvp 78]

Craig Hansen?

 

Felix Hernandez

Andruw Jones

 

The worry about rushing players is overrated. Maybe Hansen, WMP, and Meredith (who wasn't a huge prospect to begin with) were just never going to pan out anyway?

[Dojji]

He was solid on his first year in the Majors. The talent evaluation was correct.

 

sure, he got away with it, but that doesn't mean he wasn't rushed. Being promoted after only one year in the minors is pretty much the definition of rushing a prospect, whether it works or not. And while Gordon has been "Solid" he hasn't precisely been a superstar, in fact his offensive has been below average to average each season for his position.

 

His AA cumulative stats tell the whole story. Besides, Salty's problem has never been the stick.

 

His big league OPS started out at .740 and went down from there each subsequent year. Salty's been exposed offensively. I'd say that "his problem" might not be the stick, but the stick is becoming a problem for Salty. Perhaps with the proper amount of minor league experience the guy wouldn't have been so easily exposed?

[Dipre]

Felix Hernandez

Andruw Jones

 

The worry about rushing players is overrated. Maybe Hansen, WMP, and Meredith (who wasn't a huge prospect to begin with) were just never going to pan out anyway?

 

It depends on the player.

 

If it's a kid with a frail mindset (Hansen) one who's really young (WMP) or one who's adjusting from a completely different culture and playing level (Iglesias), rushing them to the majors is never a good idea. That's why the FO will let Iglesias have the proper time in the minors.

[Dipre]

sure' date=' he got away with it, but that doesn't mean he wasn't rushed. Being promoted after only one year in the minors is pretty much the definition of rushing a prospect, whether it works or not. And while Gordon has been "Solid" he hasn't precisely been a superstar, in fact his offensive has been below average to average each season for his position.[/quote']

 

He's had one full year and one year when he was injured. His one full year he had maybe a bit better than league average production.

 

His big league OPS started out at .740 and went down from there each subsequent year. Salty's been exposed offensively. I'd say that "his problem" might not be the stick, but the stick is becoming a problem for Salty. Perhaps with the proper amount of minor league experience the guy wouldn't have been so easily exposed?

 

The way i see it, what got exposed was his defense, and he's been trying to overcompensate at the plate ever since, but since this is subjective opinion, i'll give you Salty, but i'm keeping Gordon. He was that good defensively, and not a liability offensively by positional standards.