The Best Team Money Could Buy

[yankees228]

What you're missing with Jeter is that he is passed his prime, and had regressed over his previous two years. I don't see how that can be ignored, but so be it.

 

As for A-Rod, it was a significant injury, they weren't doing the full surgery, so I don't see how someone can say he was definitely going to put up A-Rod type numbers upon return, but so be it.

 

The Yankees did display their financial might with those trades, but I don't think that possibility was available at the trade deadline. Also, Nady was in the middle of a career year, and he was changing teams. No telling if he would be able to keep it up, because he didn't have a track record of doing that.

 

Look, I think I showed, with legitimate evidence, why those guys were question marks. Apparently you disagree. Fair enough.

[Gom]

My favorite part of this thread is that 4 out of 15 predicted the Yankees to win, yet they were SUPPOSED to win. LOL!

 

I LOVE IT!

 

The funny thing is that people claim this championship to be illegitimate.

 

However, the Sox are 90 years and running if they're two big guns weren't on PEDs...and their front office went on a Yankee spending binge in the pre-2007 off-season to bring in three stars. Had the Yankees won the bidding for Matsuzaka, it would have been the big bad Yankees...but the Sox...that's ok.

 

This is the height of hypocrisy. It really is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

No PEDs...Ortiz gets released, 2004 never happens.

 

No spending spree...OR PEDs...and the Sox go nowhere in 2007.

 

Yet, the Yankees are guilty of buying their championship...this is pure comedy. Please...by all means...keep going. I'm laughing my ass off right now.

 

The Yankees may spend money...but that's within the rules.

 

I love how your great comeback, the great choke...is nothing but a fraud.

[Dipre]

My favorite part of this thread is that 4 out of 15 predicted the Yankees to win, yet they were SUPPOSED to win. LOL!

 

I LOVE IT!

 

The funny thing is that people claim this championship to be illegitimate.

 

However, the Sox are 90 years and running if they're two big guns weren't on PEDs...and their front office went on a Yankee spending binge in the pre-2007 off-season to bring in three stars. Had the Yankees won the bidding for Matsuzaka, it would have been the big bad Yankees...but the Sox...that's ok.

 

This is the height of hypocrisy. It really is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

No PEDs...Ortiz gets released, 2004 never happens.

 

No spending spree...OR PEDs...and the Sox go nowhere in 2007.

 

Yet, the Yankees are guilty of buying their championship...this is pure comedy. Please...by all means...keep going. I'm laughing my ass off right now.

 

The Yankees may spend money...but that's within the rules.

 

I love how your great comeback, the great choke...is nothing but a fraud.

 

Yet i'm the one who never relies on facts when making my posts.

 

Pure, unadulterated genius right here.

[26 to 6]

I didn't know 26 to 7 was part of the Yankees FO.

 

So Cashman didn't really "want" Santana?

 

That is downright hilarious.

For the reason that it would cost him both prospects and the money to negotiate an extension. Did you follow the proceeding AT ALL? Doesn't seem like it, so stfu.

[Optimist]

Yawn. Moving on to 2010...

[Dipre]

For the reason that it would cost him both prospects and the money to negotiate an extension. Did you follow the proceeding AT ALL? Doesn't seem like it' date=' so stfu.[/quote']

 

********.

 

I suggest YOU stfu if you're going to continue with fabrications and factual inaccuracies.

 

Cashman's interest in Santana was not tied to the Sox. He chose to abandon the trade because Smith got greedy, just like the Sox did as well.

[26 to 6]

Protip-1: There is a salary cap in the NFL.

 

Protip-2: Do not shoot your argument in the foot. You're arguing that the Yankees' financial power and ability to buy an all-pro roster is okay. However, you then say that the Patriots are guilty of the same thing, which is essentially admitting that the Yankees are, indeed, guilty of buying all-pro rosters.

 

Protip-3: The Patriots roster of a few years back consisted of a powerhouse defense, and a powerhouse offense. However, there were several guys who weren't exactly expected to be "all-pro" material. The Yankees, however, have this:

 

Johnny Damon, Derek Jeter, Hideki Matsui, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, Nick Swisher, Jorge Posada, Robinson Cano, Xavier Nady. So basically everyone in their lineup is all-star material, or has been at some point of their career, besides Melky Cabrera. So you tell me, is that a fair comparison? Either way, you still admitted that teams stacked up the ass are unfair

Listen shorty, nowhere did I deny the Yankees advantage. And nowhere did I say that the Patriots had an unfair advantage. And I doubt any Patriots fans felt that their advantage was unfair then, so why should i think the Yankees advantage is unfair now. Don't hate the player, hate the game. In other words; don't hate the Yankees, hate the system. if it's ok for you guys to hate all over the Yankees, then it's ok for me to hate on the Pats...who lost to an inferior team lets not forget.

 

And I didn't shoot my argument in the foot because I've stopped arguing about this. Red Sox fans are too biased and non-objective, and want nothing to do with hearing what Yankee fans have to say. It's like arguing with an 8 year old kid "I'm right, you're wrong, and that's that." It gets kind of tiring after a while.

 

At their ages, considering what they had done the previous year (or previous couple years) and past injuries (Posada and Matsui), there was definitely reason to think that Jeter, Damon, Matsui, and Posada would continue to decline. There was also question as to whether guys like Cano, Swisher, and Cabrera would have bounce back years. And A-Rod, all things considered, was an enormous question mark. Like I said, the only sure thing going into this year was Teixeira.

You're really stretching that. That's all I'm going to say.

Not really. There were huge question marks coming into the season. A-Rod was at the lowest of low coming into the season between his divorce, steroid revelations, and hip surgery. Nobody could have predicted the year he was going to have. Posada missed most of last season with injury, so don't tell me you expected him to put up the numbers he did. Same with Matsui as he only played in 93 games last year. Melky was SENT DOWN late last year and only returned to the bigs after the rosters expanded in September, at which point he was playing behind Gardner. I could go on and on, but basically what I'm getting at is that while most of the players on the Yankee roster have All Star potential, there were still plenty of question marks coming into the season.

 

My favorite part of this thread is that 4 out of 15 predicted the Yankees to win, yet they were SUPPOSED to win. LOL!

 

I LOVE IT!

 

The funny thing is that people claim this championship to be illegitimate.

 

However, the Sox are 90 years and running if they're two big guns weren't on PEDs...and their front office went on a Yankee spending binge in the pre-2007 off-season to bring in three stars. Had the Yankees won the bidding for Matsuzaka, it would have been the big bad Yankees...but the Sox...that's ok.

 

This is the height of hypocrisy. It really is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

No PEDs...Ortiz gets released, 2004 never happens.

 

No spending spree...OR PEDs...and the Sox go nowhere in 2007.

 

Yet, the Yankees are guilty of buying their championship...this is pure comedy. Please...by all means...keep going. I'm laughing my ass off right now.

 

The Yankees may spend money...but that's within the rules.

 

I love how your great comeback, the great choke...is nothing but a fraud.

What he said

 

Yet i'm the one who never relies on facts when making my posts.

 

Pure, unadulterated genius right here.

What part of that post wasn't true?

[Dipre]

 

What part of that post wasn't true?

 

It figures.

 

The roided out Sox, only they used 'roids amirite?

 

It wasn't league wide.

 

Also, again, in 2007, the Cubs also spent 200 million bucks. They didn't triple the money output of the closest spender or signed the top 3 FA's on that year's market. (Who has ever done that anyway?)

 

Alfonso Soriano, Carlos Lee,anyone?

 

*Yawn.*

[26 to 6]

********.

 

I suggest YOU stfu if you're going to continue with fabrications and factual inaccuracies.

 

Cashman's interest in Santana was not tied to the Sox. He chose to abandon the trade because Smith got greedy, just like the Sox did as well.

Listen, no offense but idk what type of news coverage they have down there in the Dominican, btu you have NO IDEA what you're talking about. If the Yankees wanted Santana that bad they would have done what they always did and mortgaged the future for him, but every discussion started, and quickly ended with the Twins reasonably asking for a top prospect. I'm not saying the yankees interest wasn't genuine, but that they had more interest in keeping him out of their division and league than they did in shelling out not only a huge package of prospects IN ADDITION TO a huge contract. Because it was so long ago it's going to take too long to go and dig up old reports covering the Santana deal, but I assure you Cashman said he didn't want to do that; his decision to pass on Santana (FROM THE GET-GO) was part of his "youth-movement" that he experimented with going into last season. Believe me when I tell you that Cashman was just as content letting Santana go to the Mets at no cost to the Yankees than he would have been trading away a bunch of prospects and dishing out a huge contract to get him in pinstripes. Right or wrong that's the way it was. Do you forget that Cashman had to convince Hank Steinbrenner not to go above him and pick up the phone himself and make a George-style deal that would result in the loss of several big prospects plus add a huge chunk to the payroll? C'mon Dipre, you're not a Yankee fan, so don't act like you follow the Yankees as close as I do. Especially in the offseason, my favorite part of the Baseball year...I know what I'm talking about. This is evident by the Yankees passing on Santana in the final hour with the bargain-bin offer the Twins made before shipping him to the Mets for nothing. The only way the Yankees would have swooped in and given up top prospects and big money to get Santana is if he appeared headed to the Sox, as they've done many countless times before.

[Dipre]

Listen' date=' no offense but idk what type of news coverage they have down there in the Dominican, btu you have NO IDEA what you're talking about. If the Yankees wanted Santana that bad they would have done what they always did and mortgaged the future for him, but every discussion started, and quickly ended with the Twins reasonably asking for a top prospect. I'm not saying the yankees interest wasn't genuine, but that they had more interest in keeping him out of their division and league than they did in shelling out not only a huge package of prospects IN ADDITION TO a huge contract. Because it was so long ago it's going to take too long to go and dig up old reports covering the Santana deal, but I assure you Cashman said he didn't want to do that; his decision to pass on Santana (FROM THE GET-GO) was part of his "youth-movement" that he experimented with going into last season. Believe me when I tell you that Cashman was just as content letting Santana go to the Mets at no cost to the Yankees than he would have been trading away a bunch of prospects and dishing out a huge contract to get him in pinstripes. Right or wrong that's the way it was. Do you forget that Cashman had to convince Hank Steinbrenner not to go above him and pick up the phone himself and make a George-style deal that would result in the loss of several big prospects plus add a huge chunk to the payroll? C'mon Dipre, you're not a Yankee fan, so don't act like you follow the Yankees as close as I do. Especially in the offseason, my favorite part of the Baseball year...I know what I'm talking about. This is evident by the Yankees passing on Santana in the final hour with the bargain-bin offer the Twins made before shipping him to the Mets for nothing. The only way the Yankees would have swooped in and given up top prospects and big money to get Santana is if he appeared headed to the Sox, as they've done many countless times before.[/quote']

 

Lol you're the only one who thinks that the interest the Yanks had to Santana was tied to the Sox.

 

He was the best pitcher on the market, and the Yanks explored the option.

 

Making a huge ass post and attacking Dominican news coverage isn't going to change that.

 

How about you give me some evidence to back up your claims?

[26 to 6]

It figures.

 

The roided out Sox, only they used 'roids amirite?

 

It wasn't league wide.

 

Also, again, in 2007, the Cubs also spent 200 million bucks. They didn't triple the money output of the closest spender or signed the top 3 FA's on that year's market. (Who has ever done that anyway?)

 

Alfonso Soriano, Carlos Lee,anyone?

 

*Yawn.*

I'm not saying that it was only the Sox that used, let's be serious now. We all know it was wide-spread. But until manny and Ortiz were revealed to have been users Sox fans threw the steroids in the face of Yankee fans and called their past 4 Championships illegitimate. So now that Sox players are guilty of the same thing that illegitimacy argument conveniently goes away? Come on now....

 

Ummm....what does Carlos Lee have to do with the Cubs and their big offseason in 2007? (Which is EVIDENCE that big-spending doesn't equal winning; as is the Yankees of 2004, 2005 ESPECIALLY, 2006, 2007, and 2008).

[26 to 6]

Lol you're the only one who thinks that the interest the Yanks had to Santana was tied to the Sox.

 

He was the best pitcher on the market, and the Yanks explored the option.

 

Making a huge ass post and attacking Dominican news coverage isn't going to change that.

 

How about you give me some evidence to back up your claims?

I NEVER SAID that the Yankees interest was directly tied to the Red Sox. NEVER. All I said is that their reluctance to make a deal was tied to the Red Sox. Of course they explored the option, any smart GM would. But they soon passed when taking into consideration the fact that it would cost them big prospects and big money. What part of that don't you understand? All I said in regards to the Sox in this debate was that the Yankees probably only would have gone in and made the deal to keep him away from Boston, which is a very reasonable argument considering the recent history of that type of action between the two teams. I'm not denying that the Yankees wouldn't have liked to add one of the best pitchers in the game, but the price tag; both in terms of players and dollars drove them away. Now we all know the Yankees are no stranger to spending big and trading away promising young players, but with CC on the horizon and the Red Sox for the most part out of the running the Cashman and co. was perfectly content letting him walk. I don't understand how and why you continue to argue this point which has NOTHING to do with the thread.

[Dipre]

I'm not saying that it was only the Sox that used, let's be serious now. We all know it was wide-spread. But until manny and Ortiz were revealed to have been users Sox fans threw the steroids in the face of Yankee fans and called their past 4 Championships illegitimate. So now that Sox players are guilty of the same thing that illegitimacy argument conveniently goes away? Come on now....

 

Ummm....what does Carlos Lee have to do with the Cubs and their big offseason in 2007? (Which is EVIDENCE that big-spending doesn't equal winning; as is the Yankees of 2004, 2005 ESPECIALLY, 2006, 2007, and 2008).

 

I mentioned the TOP 3 FREE AGENTS right beforehand.

 

He got a 100 million dollar contract. Or am i making that up.

 

Also,regarding the Sox's 2007, i'm gonna pull out this little gem which you said earlier.

 

As for $450 million' date=' I hate when people throw that out there. The cost of those 3 guys on this years payroll was $47 Million ($14m for Sabathia, $20m for Tex, $13m for Burnett). If you guys are going to argue that it cost us $450 Million to buy this years championship, then you can't use that argument for any future Championships that the Yankees might win while those 3 are still on the team. I think that's fair.[/quote']

 

If your logic is applied then:

 

Boston Red Sox:

 

Drew: 14 per.

 

Lugo: 8 per.

 

Matsuzaka: 8.6 per.

 

Actual 26 to 6 value: 30.6 million.

 

 

Chicago Cubs:

 

Soriano: 17 per.

 

De Rosa: 4.33 per

 

Marquis: 7 per.

 

Lilly: 10 per.

 

Actual 26 to 6 value: 38.3 million dollars.

 

By this account the Cubs actually spent more than the Red Sox.

 

I'd like to see your argument for this one.

[Dipre]

I NEVER SAID that the Yankees interest was directly tied to the Red Sox. NEVER. All I said is that their reluctance to make a deal was tied to the Red Sox. Of course they explored the option' date=' any smart GM would. But they soon passed when taking into consideration the fact that it would cost them big prospects and big money. What part of that don't you understand? All I said in regards to the Sox in this debate was that the Yankees probably only would have gone in and made the deal to keep him away from Boston, which is a very reasonable argument considering the recent history of that type of action between the two teams. I'm not denying that the Yankees wouldn't have liked to add one of the best pitchers in the game, but the price tag; both in terms of players and dollars drove them away. Now we all know the Yankees are no stranger to spending big and trading away promising young players, but with CC on the horizon and the Red Sox for the most part out of the running the Cashman and co. was perfectly content letting him walk. I don't understand how and why you continue to argue this point which has NOTHING to do with the thread.[/quote']

 

Completely different stance.

 

Whatever then.

[yankees228]

Clear your inbox 26.

[26 to 6]

I mentioned the TOP 3 FREE AGENTS right beforehand.

 

He got a 100 million dollar contract. Or am i making that up.

 

Also,regarding the Sox's 2007, i'm gonna pull out this little gem which you said earlier.

 

 

 

If your logic is applied then:

 

Boston Red Sox:

 

Drew: 14 per.

 

Lugo: 8 per.

 

Matsuzaka: 8.6 per.

 

Actual 26 to 6 value: 30.6 million.

 

 

Chicago Cubs:

 

Soriano: 17 per.

 

De Rosa: 4.33 per

 

Marquis: 7 per.

 

Lilly: 10 per.

 

Actual 26 to 6 value: 38.3 million dollars.

 

By this account the Cubs actually spent more than the Red Sox.

 

I'd like to see your argument for this one.

My mistake, I though you were tying Lee to the Cubs for some reason.

 

As for the dollar figures, why would I debate any of that when it's all true. I never said that the Sox spent MORE in 2007 than the Yankees did this year, i just said that they also spent big. I agree with everything you said. And don't call it "Actual 26 to 6 value," it's the value of the contracts in that particularly given year. How is that at all debatable? On this seasons payroll, only $47 mil went to Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeira; not $450 million. If you guys are going to use the $450m argument this year, then you can't use it in the future.

 

Completely different stance.

 

Whatever then.

What do you mean completely different stance? That's what I've been arguing from the start regarding the Santana discussion.

[26 to 6]

Clear your inbox 26.

Done

[Dipre]

 

Are you referring to Santana? If so then.....WRONG. The Yankees turned down several proposals from the Twins, and would have only gone all out to get Santana if he appeared likely to be headed to the Red Sox. Cashman really wasn't willing to sacrifice both prospects and money to get Santana. Either or would have been fine, but that's why he favored Sabathia.

 

 

 

This is what you said in the first place.

 

They only "really wanted Santana" if he was going to the Sox.

 

The Yanks submitted several packages to the Twins just like the Sox did.

 

Smith got greedy, both packages were removed, enter the Mets.

 

How "solid prospect package" can translate to "only if the Red Sox were going to get him" is beyond me.

[TheKilo]

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1924701

 

aaaaaaaand /thread

 

Also, did 26 really call Emmz shorty? Really?

[Dipre]

aaaaaaaand /thread

 

Also, did 26 really call Emmz shorty? Really?

 

I overlooked that. THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.

 

And, yes he did. Lol funny stuff.

[26 to 6]

Yup

lol

[yankees228]

aaaaaaaand /thread

 

TK, do you really feel that way? We both know that the Yankees have a huge financial advantage, but it takes so much more than that to win a championship in the wild card era. We also both know that there were a ton of question marks with this team before the season. Some of the posters on here are claiming like everyone knew the Yankees were the superior team since day one, but that is so far from the reality of the situation. So many of these guys, some unexpectedly, rebounded fantastically from last year (or the last couple years). The bullpen, which was also a huge question mark coming into the year, and had been a real issue in past years, performed great in the second half. In my opinion, that was a huge difference. And A-Rod, who some questioned, and some didn't, answered a lot of critics in the postseason.

 

If you really do feel that way, I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. If that's your opinion, I respect it, I'd just be a bit surprised.

[TheKilo]

I'll sum up my feelings like this:

 

A lot had to go right for the Yankees to win the WS, but a lot less than every other team in the league because of their financial advantage.

 

Because of that, I feel that the title is a bit hollow, but I;m a Red Sox fan so it probably doesn't mean much to any of you.

[26 to 6]

At least your fair about it.

[Dipre]

At least your fair about it.

 

:lol::lol::lol:

[yankees228]

I'll sum up my feelings like this:

 

A lot had to go right for the Yankees to win the WS, but a lot less than every other team in the league because of their financial advantage.

 

Because of that, I feel that the title is a bit hollow, but I;m a Red Sox fan so it probably doesn't mean much to any of you.

 

That's reasonable, and the Yankees have a significantly larger margin of error than most teams.

 

To me, when a team like the 2003 Florida Marlins the World Series, it's more impressive than the 2009 New York Yankes winning the World Series. No doubt about it. However, to me, any World Series victory (excluding the 1919 Cincinnati Reds) is impressive. It's just such a difficult feat to accomplish, and, for me, that's why this isn't a hollow accomplishment.

 

Once again, it's worth remembering that this wasn't a wire to wire first place finish. This team wasn't in a fantastic position before the year started, and they certainly weren't in a fantastic position at times during the first half. Excluding all the performance issues, which I've already gone over many times in this thread, you personally posted articles about the players possibly being upset with Girardi, and the possibility of him losing the clubhouse. You also posted at least one story about the A-Rod's issues during the season, the guy who was the biggest reason they won the World Series, in my opinion. The Yankees, as a whole, tend to go as A-Rod goes. There was also a lot of concern, and justifiably so, about how Burnett and Pettitte would fair in the postseason. There was a lot of talk, especially on this board, that the Yankees were not built for a short series. That argument had some merit, but, for the most part, those guys really came through. I'm not going to sit here and act like this team is the 2003 Marlins or the 1991 Twins or any team that came from out of nowhere to win it all. But the Yankees had their fair share of issues this year, ones that people tend to forget.

 

In my opinion, this was far from the most impressive baseball accomplishment you'll see, not even close, but it was still very impressive nonetheless.

[Gom]

********.

 

I suggest YOU stfu if you're going to continue with fabrications and factual inaccuracies.

 

Cashman's interest in Santana was not tied to the Sox. He chose to abandon the trade because Smith got greedy, just like the Sox did as well.

 

BEST f***ING LINE OF THE YEAR.

 

Dude...sorry bro, but your at the bottom of the list when it comes to credibility these days. It's one thing to lose an argument or a debate. It's another to lie and make s*** up...and then continue to lie about it when you're caught. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You have no right to call anyone a liar.

 

Fitting that you're a Red Sox fan. Just like your championship teams, you're a fraud.

 

This is awesome. I'm lovin' this more than you believe.

 

Nothing against the new posters here, but this is for the old timers here....do you remember when you won in 2007, how pretty much every Yankee fan here gave you your due and congratulated you on your championship?

 

After you won, you got a bunch of frontrunners who just cry like bitches. You all know who you are...and on which side you're considered on.

[Dipre]

BEST f***ING LINE OF THE YEAR.

 

Dude...sorry bro, but your at the bottom of the list when it comes to credibility these days. It's one thing to lose an argument or a debate. It's another to lie and make s*** up...and then continue to lie about it when you're caught. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You have no right to call anyone a liar.

 

Fitting that you're a Red Sox fan. Just like your championship teams, you're a fraud.

 

This is awesome. I'm lovin' this more than you believe.

 

Nothing against the new posters here, but this is for the old timers here....do you remember when you won in 2007, how pretty much every Yankee fan here gave you your due and congratulated you on your championship?

 

After you won, you got a bunch of frontrunners who just cry like bitches. You all know who you are...and on which side you're considered on.

 

Gom talking about making s*** up.

 

I should use that in my sig.

[jacksonianmarch]

You keep forgetting the 51 mil it took to talk with DiceK. If you are going to go by AAV on the 2007 FA bonanza for the sox....

 

DiceK $17.2 mil AAV (6 yrs and 103 mil overall)

Drew $14.0 mil AAV (5 yrs and 70 mil overall)

Lugo $9.0 mil AAV (4 yrs and 36 mil overall)

 

That's an AAV of $40.2 mil and an overall cost of $209 million.

 

Like I have said before, I know that the yankees bought the WS this yr. I am admitting it. But sox fans should not be denying that they did the same thing, on about half the scale, in 2007. At the same time, you could say that the sox were filling their team with complementary pieces for that $209 mil since they already had an ace and a #2 in Beckett and Schilling and that Drew and Lugo were brought in to be complementary pieces to Manny and Papi. For NY, they added a #3 hitter, an ace and their #2. So one could make the argument that NY needed to spend twice as much because they werent filling their lineup with complementary players, they were filling the crux of their team out.

[Dipre]

You keep forgetting the 51 mil it took to talk with DiceK. If you are going to go by AAV on the 2007 FA bonanza for the sox....

 

DiceK $17.2 mil AAV (6 yrs and 103 mil overall)

Drew $14.0 mil AAV (5 yrs and 70 mil overall)

Lugo $9.0 mil AAV (4 yrs and 36 mil overall)

 

That's an AAV of $40.2 mil and an overall cost of $209 million.

 

Like I have said before, I know that the yankees bought the WS this yr. I am admitting it. But sox fans should not be denying that they did the same thing, on about half the scale, in 2007. At the same time, you could say that the sox were filling their team with complementary pieces for that $209 mil since they already had an ace and a #2 in Beckett and Schilling and that Drew and Lugo were brought in to be complementary pieces to Manny and Papi. For NY, they added a #3 hitter, an ace and their #2. So one could make the argument that NY needed to spend twice as much because they werent filling their lineup with complementary players, they were filling the crux of their team out.

 

The posting fee goes into the payroll?

 

News to me, because it doesn't.