Red Sox acquire Hermida

[example1]

Look at what it took to get Hermida and then rethink your post.

 

Hermida is at worst, a not so bad 4th OFer. At best, he could become a decent starting major league OFer. I dont think his ceiling is as high as it was before, but he still comfortably projects as a starter if his performance catches up with his talent

 

What am I supposed to rethink? The notion that Hermida has value to other teams? I think he absolutely does. Lots of trade discussion recently has centered around making a big trade to get a premier impact player. The ability to add someone like Hermida to the deal is a good one to have. He's certainly more valuable in that sense than the pieces he was traded for.

[TedWilliams101]

Logic=What's best for the Red Sox, irrespective of the rest of baseball. Let's set a cap where only 1/3 of the teams in baseball can hit. f*** the other 2/3.

 

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up, sport!!

 

Most teams (if not all) could hit a $100 million cap. The problem is that a lot of teams simply don't want to spend that much.

 

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/33/baseball-values-09_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Income.html

[Keeper]

Hermida has been a huge disappointment up to this point, but with the right hitting coaches he could blossom and become the player everyone thought he was going to be. Or he could simply be a bust.

[jacksonianmarch]

What am I supposed to rethink? The notion that Hermida has value to other teams? I think he absolutely does. Lots of trade discussion recently has centered around making a big trade to get a premier impact player. The ability to add someone like Hermida to the deal is a good one to have. He's certainly more valuable in that sense than the pieces he was traded for.

 

if he had a lot of value to other teams then it would have taken more than 2 meh lefty relief prospects to get him. His value is at an all-time low. If the hope is to get some value out of him, trading him now does you no good. He's a throw in at this point more than anything. If the sox turn him around he could actually be a useful chip. Right now, he isnt.

[jacksonianmarch]

My god, the payroll argument is all you got? How bout this, if your team ponied up to get Tex instead of letting $1.2 million per yr get in the way then your team might be holding the trophy. The payroll argument is moot. We all are agreeing that they have a financial advantage. Doesnt mean the parade and the trophy and the banners mean any less.

[rhet]

The best thing about getting Hermida is that Tito won't be able to put Hunter Jones in to blow a game in the 6th inning.

[rhet]

My god' date=' the payroll argument is all you got? How bout this, if your team ponied up to get Tex instead of letting $1.2 million per yr get in the way then your team might be holding the trophy. The payroll argument is moot. We all are agreeing that they have a financial advantage. Doesnt mean the parade and the trophy and the banners mean any less.[/quote']

 

Jack, c'mon. Tex wasn't coming to Boston no matter how much the offer was. You know that.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's a Boras client. He went to the highest bidder. Its only logical. The sox had him at his home. All they had to do was reach a threshold that NY was willing to meet. Also, Tex's value per fangraphs (per mlbtraderumors) was $25 mil. So, the yankees actually got some value from yr 1 for what they paid for him

[rhet]

Ben Zobrist is the highest value player, according to fangraphs. Just a tick more than Albert Pujols. So don't be a Theo, and use that stat as a justification for anything.

 

The Yanks were matching anything the Sox proposed on Tex. And Tex and his wife decided early on (as they are quoted as saying) that they wanted NY.

[a700hitter]

This is a big nothing move. He's taking the spot that Kotsay had at the beginning of 2009. He's an upgrade for power, but he is less versatile than Kotsay. This move doesn't even deserve its own thread.

[Dojji]

Ben Zobrist is the highest value player' date=' according to fangraphs. Just a tick more than Albert Pujols. [/quote']

 

Ben Zobrist is a pretty danged good player. His OBP is very high, and he hit 27 HR's, and he plays literally everywhere, and has the bat to be among the top players at any position he sticks at.

 

He's probably their starting second baseman next year and is more valuable than Pedroia there if he is. Or he could start in right field, and be more than a match at JD Drew. They could even make a first baseman of him and he'd compare nicely to Youkilis.

 

In fact the only position he plays that he wouldn't be immediately better than our starter is left field, and that depends on how you rate defense (Zobrist is a much better outfielder than Bay).

 

 

And did I mention he came up as a shortstop and has a ton of experience there?

 

And he's in the middle of his prime and cost controlled for 3-4 more years.

 

 

I would kill to have a guy like Ben Zobrist on this baseball team.

[rhet]

He's a pretty good player.

But he's not better than Albert Pujols.

Fangraphs "value" rating is dumb.

[Dojji]

Pujols only plays one position, Rhet. Zobrist can take one of the best bats in the league and go play shortstop. that's a pretty huge equalizer.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ben Zobrist is a pretty danged good player. His OBP is very high, and he hit 27 HR's, and he plays literally everywhere, and has the bat to be among the top players at any position he sticks at.

 

He's probably their starting second baseman next year and is more valuable than Pedroia there if he is. Or he could start in right field, and be more than a match at JD Drew. They could even make a first baseman of him and he'd compare nicely to Youkilis.

 

In fact the only position he plays that he wouldn't be immediately better than our starter is left field, and that depends on how you rate defense (Zobrist is a much better outfielder than Bay).

 

 

And did I mention he came up as a shortstop and has a ton of experience there?

 

And he's in the middle of his prime and cost controlled for 3-4 more years.

 

 

I would kill to have a guy like Ben Zobrist on this baseball team.

 

 

You'd have to, nobody is getting him

[Dipre]

Pujols only plays one position' date=' Rhet. Zobrist can take one of the best bats in the league and go play shortstop. that's a pretty huge equalizer.[/quote']

 

Please tell me you don't really think Zobrist is that good.

 

He had a career year, a good year, but he's not nearly as good as you're making him out to be.

[italstallianion]

Yeah, I don't see Zobrist coming near what he was producing last year. I think his numbers will change now that people actually know who he is.

[Dojji]

Please tell me you don't really think Zobrist is that good.

 

He had a career year, a good year, but he's not nearly as good as you're making him out to be.

 

We'll have to see him play it out, Dipre, but frankly, I see no reason not to believe he is EXACTLY this good. The minor league numbers bear out his potential, and he started the surge he's on right now in the middle of last year. There was a point in the ALCS where he couldn't not hit a homer against us. Him and Aybar and Upton all murdered us -- the difference is that Zobrist sustained it.

 

He's got the discipline, he's got the power, he's got useful speed, he's got the OBP. His bat compared to Youkilis this year. And Zobrist switch hits. All he needs to do to disabuse you of your "career year" notion is keep his average up (his .330 BABIP is on the high side, which is about the only legitimate concern).

 

And his position versatility puts him in the conversation for one of the best players in the American League. I donno if he's as valuable as Pujols, but then guys like Pujols happen actually more often than the kind of truly super-versatile power hitter Zobrist is emerging as, so... *shrug*

[Dipre]

We'll have to see him play it out, Dipre, but frankly, I see no reason not to believe he is EXACTLY this good. The minor league numbers bear out his potential, and he started the surge he's on right now in the middle of last year. There was a point in the ALCS where he couldn't not hit a homer against us. Him and Aybar and Upton all murdered us -- the difference is that Zobrist sustained it.

 

He's got the discipline, he's got the power, he's got the OBP. His bat compared to Youkilis this year. And Zobrist switch hits. All he needs to do to disabuse you of your "career year" notion is keep his average up. He even has useful speed.

 

And his position versatility puts him in the conversation for one of the best players in the American League. I donno if he's as valuable as Pujols, but then guys like Pujols happen actually more often than the kind of truly super-versatile power hitter Zobrist is emerging as, so... *shrug*

 

Dude.

 

Just.......

 

Dude.

 

Ben Zobrist had a .330 BABIP, which is not that high, it's ok.

 

But he spiked to a 17.5% HR/FB% which he did not have in his previous seasons combined.

 

And even if he put up performances like last year's every year, comparing him to Albert f***ing Pujols is laughable at best.

 

Pujols OPS: 1.101.

 

Zobrist OPS: .948

 

And for your information, before Pujols was given a regular 1B position, (just like Zobrist will be a full-time 2B next year) Pujols played 3B and the OF corners competently aside from 1B which was his worst position.

[Dojji]

And for your information, before Pujols was given a regular 1B position, (just like Zobrist will be a full-time 2B next year) Pujols played 3B and the OF corners competently aside from 1B which was his worst position.

 

right, just like Miggy Cabrera did. Doesn't mean you want him playing there for you right now.

 

If he could stick at third, he would have stuck there. Or at least, he would have played a few games there every year like Youlikis does. This is LaRussa we're talking about here. If a player has real flexibility, he takes advantage of it. it's not like they actually have a good player at 3B right now after all. Do you really think that if they could sign a mid-level 1B and move Pujols to third they wouldn't do it in a heartbeat? Even a guy like LaRoche would improve their lineup significantly over the drek they field at third.

 

Pujols played those positions because when he first came up, first Mark McGwire was still there, then because they'd signed Tino Martinez as a veteran crutch while Pujols' bat was developing and they didn't have the stones to bench him. As soon as Tino was gone, Pujols took over 1B and never looked back.

 

And even if he put up performances like last year's every year, comparing him to Albert f***ing Pujols is laughable at best.

 

Pujols OPS: 1.101.

 

Zobrist OPS: .948

 

Pujols is a first baseman. Zobrist is a middle infielder. A .948 OPS for a middle infielder is all but unheard of.

[Dipre]

right, just like Miggy Cabrera did. Doesn't mean you want him playing there for you right now.

 

If he could stick at third, he would have stuck there. Or at least, he would have played a few games there every year like Youlikis does. This is LaRussa we're talking about here. If a player has real flexibility, he takes advantage of it. it's not like they actually have a good player at 3B right now after all. Do you really think that if they could sign a mid-level 1B and move Pujols to third they wouldn't do it in a heartbeat? Even a guy like LaRoche would improve their lineup significantly over the drek they field at third.

 

Pujols played those positions because when he first came up, first Mark McGwire was still there, then because they'd signed Tino Martinez as a veteran crutch while Pujols' bat was developing and they didn't have the stones to bench him. As soon as Tino was gone, Pujols took over 1B and never looked back.

 

And how exactly do you know this?

 

The real reason why Pujols has stuck only at 1B it's because it's the position that takes the less toll on his body, and this i heard from Pujols himself in an interview with dominican broadcaster Yancen Pujols.

 

And the fact remains, that Ben Zobrist is not even in the same league as Pujols, not even if he played every position and pitched.

 

Stop it.

[Dipre]

Pujols is a first baseman. Zobrist is a middle infielder. A .948 OPS for a middle infielder is all but unheard of.

 

So a 170 OPS difference doesn't matter because Zobrist plays 2nd?

 

Oh, and nice edits btw.

[Dojji]

And how exactly do you know this?

 

The real reason why Pujols has stuck only at 1B it's because it's the position that takes the less toll on his body, and this i heard from Pujols himself in an interview with dominican broadcaster Yancen Pujols.

 

And the fact remains, that Ben Zobrist is not even in the same league as Pujols, not even if he played every position and pitched.

 

Stop it.

 

And yet none of that changes a thing.

 

Remember, what you're screaming at is a valuation that placed Zobrist BEHIND Pujols. So no, no one's arguing he's as good as Pujols. It's just that you're using the wrong reasons to argue in his favor.

[Dipre]

And yet none of that changes a thing.

 

Remember, what you're screaming at is a valuation that placed Zobrist BEHIND Pujols. So no, no one's arguing he's as good as Pujols. It's just that you're using the wrong reasons to argue in his favor.

 

Nice cop-out.

[Dipre]

We'll have to see him play it out, Dipre, but frankly, I see no reason not to believe he is EXACTLY this good. The minor league numbers bear out his potential, and he started the surge he's on right now in the middle of last year. There was a point in the ALCS where he couldn't not hit a homer against us. Him and Aybar and Upton all murdered us -- the difference is that Zobrist sustained it.

 

He's got the discipline, he's got the power, he's got useful speed, he's got the OBP. His bat compared to Youkilis this year. And Zobrist switch hits. All he needs to do to disabuse you of your "career year" notion is keep his average up (his .330 BABIP is on the high side, which is about the only legitimate concern).

 

And his position versatility puts him in the conversation for one of the best players in the American League. I donno if he's as valuable as Pujols, but then guys like Pujols happen actually more often than the kind of truly super-versatile power hitter Zobrist is emerging as, so... *shrug*

 

[Dojji]

Rarity not = value.

[Dipre]

Rarity not = value.

 

Well i see then. Cop-out extraordinaire.

[CoachC.]

Hermida's Reaction:

 

“It’s very exciting,’’ he said. “We played in Boston this season and there’s nothing better than a chance to play at Fenway Park. I think this is going to do me a lot of good.’’

 

“I was one of the older guys in Florida,’’ he said. “That’s the kind of team we had. Now I’ll be around guys who have been in the league for 10 or 11 years. I can learn a lot from there. At this point in my career, it’s probably the best thing for me.

 

“I know I have the ability. I need to stay healthy and put it together.’’

 

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/11/06/hermida_brings_his_promise_to_fenway_outfield/

[example1]

Pujols is a first ballot HOF in his prime, hitting at levels that surpass most in the HOF. Zobrist would need to have seasons like 2009 for the next 10 years to be in the same discussion, but even then he wouldn't be seen as Pujolsian. Let's talk about something else...

[Dipre]

Pujols is a first ballot HOF in his prime' date=' hitting at levels that surpass most in the HOF. Zobrist would need to have seasons like 2009 for the next 10 years to be in the same discussion, but even then he wouldn't be seen as Pujolsian. Let's talk about something else...[/quote']

 

Thank you, the voice of reason.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

My god' date=' the payroll argument is all you got? How bout this, if your team ponied up to get Tex instead of letting $1.2 million per yr get in the way then your team might be holding the trophy.[/quote']

 

How many f***ing times does it have to be said? f***ing christ.