Boston Celtics 2009-2010 Thread

[suns]

Now it makes complete sense.

[bsox0407]

i totally agree that this is one of Rondo's best games.

 

I also agree they shouldn't have won because they played like s*** in the end of the Third and beginning Fourth Quarter.

[Spudboy]

i totally agree that this is one of Rondo's best games.

 

I also agree they shouldn't have won because they played like s*** in the end of the Third and beginning Fourth Quarter.

 

It's all in how you finish young man.

[Emmz]

Yeah, young man.

[Spudboy]

As it turns out, Lester Hudson has been picked-up by his hometown team, the Memphis Grizzlies.

 

He now has the remainder of his contract guaranteed ($260,000.).

 

It will be interesting to see what he can do with some regular playing time. I hope he gets it.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Really doubt it. They have Conley and Mayo starting, with Tinsley entrenched as Conley's backup, and Sam Young being the main backup to Mayo and Gay.

[YanksHater213]

My god does the Hawks athleticism gives the C's fits

[msubulldogs21]

I'm not going to give up, but this team has really hit a rough stretch. Losing to the Pistons now? Yikes.

 

I hope KG can come back and stay healthy. Cross your fingers.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Lol we are awful.

[Keeper]

Good team with KG. Average team without him.

[YanksHater213]

This team needs a spark of life to say the least. Maybe a potential deal for Nate Robinson would give us the spark? You gotta think they'd like Tony Allen and/or Scal at the very least because they're expiring, plus picks/talent with them in return. I don't really see a way we can come up with a viable package that they'd accept and is fair for them.

 

Regardless, they need to stop playing like a bunch of f***s (for lack of a better term) in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Getting KG's leadership and intensity back should really help that I feel though.

 

As long as we're healthy in April.

[msubulldogs21]

This team needs a spark of life to say the least. Maybe a potential deal for Nate Robinson would give us the spark?

 

It couldn't hurt. It's unfortunate Isiah Thomas is no longer running the Knicks. He might've gone for a Nate Robinson/Tony Allen swap and even throw in a 1st round pick for good measure.

 

As long as we're healthy in April.

 

Yeah, but even then I don't feel all that confident in this team winning a title. Would love to be wrong, but I'll be surprised. Of course we'll see what happens at the trade deadline too. If the Lakers were to somehow get Bosh from Toronto everyone would be playing for 2nd. Not counting on that to happen though.

[YanksHater213]

Chris Bosh is not an impact player. At least whenever I see him play he's never really dominated a game, his offensive game is solid, but he doesn't play all that much defense and really shrinks when it counts. He'll get his numbers though.

 

I can't see the Lakers getting him for any reason at all though. They have plenty of different contracts they could mix and match in a swap (Bosh gets 16 millionish, IIRC), though none of those guys are all that talented and aren't real intriguing pieces for a team on the way down, but I can't see a situation where they wouldn't have to part with a Gasol or Bynum to get him, unless they were to commit some more highway robbery like how they got Gasol.

[msubulldogs21]

They were talking about the possible Bosh to LA thing on ESPN a few days ago and said Bynum would be the guy heading to Toronto if it was to go down.

 

I mean, I don't see it, but you never know I guess.

[YanksHater213]

Bynum has a much bigger potential long term impact. I'd think long and hard about that one if I was the Lakers. If I was the Raptors, I'd pull the trigger on that in a heartbeat.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

This team needs a spark of life to say the least. Maybe a potential deal for Nate Robinson would give us the spark? You gotta think they'd like Tony Allen and/or Scal at the very least because they're expiring' date=' plus picks/talent with them in return. I don't really see a way we can come up with a viable package that they'd accept and is fair for them.[/quote']

 

f*** no. Robinson is basically Eddie House without the experience. He gets the numbers he does in New York because he's in a system where offense (and the three point shot) is king and he's somehow the best offensive player on the team. He's a terrible defender and has zero point guard skills. Plus, there's a good chance we lose him for nothing this offseason. I'd rather not waste what little tradeable assets we have on redundancy.

 

If we're going to go after a guard, I'd much rather chase Kirk Hinrich. He at least can defend and be a legitimate backup point guard, while still being a good shooter. His contract isn't good, but at the same time that could be all the more reason for Chicago to unload him. Regardless of if they somehow grab the 7/8 spot in a terrible East, they aren't going anywhere.

 

Above all, we need to go after someone who will fix this whole 28th in the NBA in rebounding thing. Which is completely unacceptable from a supposedly championship caliber team.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

If the Raptors actually have a Bosh for Bynum deal on the table, they would be idiots not to do that.

[Emmz]

Chris Bosh has averaged around 23 points and 10 rebounds over the past 4 and a half seasons.

 

Andrew Bynum has averaged around 40 starts since becoming a regular.

 

Chris Bosh is 25.

 

Andrew Bynum is 22.

 

It's obviously not an age thing. Maybe it's a contract thing. Otherwise, Bosh is VASTLY superior to Andrew Bynum. It'd be like trading someone like Chris Paul for Rajon Rondo.

[YanksHater213]

Chris Bosh has averaged around 23 points and 10 rebounds over the past 4 and a half seasons.

 

Andrew Bynum has averaged around 40 starts since becoming a regular.

 

Chris Bosh is 25.

 

Andrew Bynum is 22.

 

It's obviously not an age thing. Maybe it's a contract thing. Otherwise, Bosh is VASTLY superior to Andrew Bynum. It'd be like trading someone like Chris Paul for Rajon Rondo.

 

I can tell you really do not watch too much basketball. Bynum is a center, Bosh is not. Bosh plays little defense and plays more of an inside out game, whereas Bynum can bang around the hoop on both ends. For a guy on the team he is with the guys that command touches around him, Bynum is putting up nice numbers for a kid.

 

Chris Bosh has never done anything important in this league. I've never seen him will the Raptors to a win. He's a guy who gets his numbers, and shrinks when the game is on the line.

[Plumpamania]

Chris Bosh has averaged around 23 points and 10 rebounds over the past 4 and a half seasons.

 

Andrew Bynum has averaged around 40 starts since becoming a regular.

 

Chris Bosh is 25.

 

Andrew Bynum is 22.

 

It's obviously not an age thing. Maybe it's a contract thing. Otherwise, Bosh is VASTLY superior to Andrew Bynum. It'd be like trading someone like Chris Paul for Rajon Rondo.

 

Not only does Bosh not play any defense whatsoever, he has minimal range on offense. I'd take Bynum (if injury bug is gone) over Bosh for my 5 slot.

 

PS I'd also take Rondo over Paul at this point.

[Keeper]

If Bynum could stay healthy, I'd take him over Bosh as well for all of the reasons already mentioned. But through the previous 4 seasons, he's missed 115 games out of a total of 328. No thanks.

 

Paul is twice the point guard that Rondo is. Rondo is a good two-way player, but he's not in Paul's league.

[redsoxrules]

Not only does Bosh not play any defense whatsoever, he has minimal range on offense. I'd take Bynum (if injury bug is gone) over Bosh for my 5 slot.

 

PS I'd also take Rondo over Paul at this point.

 

what?

[Emmz]

It's kinda like those who'd rather have Ariza over Artest. Yeah, Artest is better, but Ariza was a role player for that team. I could see someone making the argument that they'd rather have Rondo IN BOSTON, but in general, there's no contest, it's CP3 all the way.

 

However, as far as Bynum goes, he's not a dynamic scorer, he doesn't have much offensive versatility, and the amount of boards says that Bosh is at least solid defensively.

 

Yes, I know boards are something that you get on the offensive side, but 10 rebounds per game means that you're boxing out.

 

Bosh is going to give you 20-10 on most nights, because he's consistent. Bynum will miss a lot of games, and that's probably why the Lakers are willing to part with him.

 

Sorry, I'll take 23-10 and a good 70 starts per year over 13-9 over about 40-50 starts per year eight days a week. I don't care what the minimal range on offense, or his supposed lack of defense says.

[Emmz]

I can tell you really do not watch too much basketball. Bynum is a center, Bosh is not. Bosh plays little defense and plays more of an inside out game, whereas Bynum can bang around the hoop on both ends. For a guy on the team he is with the guys that command touches around him, Bynum is putting up nice numbers for a kid.

 

Chris Bosh has never done anything important in this league. I've never seen him will the Raptors to a win. He's a guy who gets his numbers, and shrinks when the game is on the line.

 

I'm saying in general, not as far as role playing goes.

 

I agree that he's not going to be a fit for the Lakers, if he's going to play center. He's a forward. On that I absolutely agree. But in general, I'll take Bosh over Bynum any day.

 

And kid? He's been in the league for 5 years. He's officially a veteran, and he's been about at the same level for about the past 3 years. Chris Bosh is young too.

 

Sorry, I don't buy into Bynum being a star at any point in his career.

[YanksHater213]

It's kinda like those who'd rather have Ariza over Artest. Yeah, Artest is better, but Ariza was a role player for that team. I could see someone making the argument that they'd rather have Rondo IN BOSTON, but in general, there's no contest, it's CP3 all the way.

 

However, as far as Bynum goes, he's not a dynamic scorer, he doesn't have much offensive versatility, and the amount of boards says that Bosh is at least solid defensively.

 

Yes, I know boards are something that you get on the offensive side, but 10 rebounds per game means that you're boxing out.

 

Bosh is going to give you 20-10 on most nights, because he's consistent. Bynum will miss a lot of games, and that's probably why the Lakers are willing to part with him.

 

Sorry, I'll take 23-10 and a good 70 starts per year over 13-9 over about 40-50 starts per year eight days a week. I don't care what the minimal range on offense, or his supposed lack of defense says.

 

You can't look at 40-50 starts and just expect that's going to be his average throughout his career. He came into the league skinny and throughout his career he's been bulking up and that takes some time to get used to. Bynum is really LA's only big body capable of defending guys in the paint (Duncan, Shaq, Nene, Perkins, Stoudemire, etc etc). LA already has Bryant, Gasol, and Odom who need to have the ball in their hands to get theirs, and adding another to that isn't going to make them better, and they'll lose a lot of efficiency offensively because Bynum doesn't command touches, gets double teamed, and is one of the few pure low post players left in the NBA. Bynum is only going to get better and better while Bosh has hit his peak. Right now Bosh is a 2nd option on a good team, 1st option on a bad team, while Bynum could contribute as a secondary or tertiary scorer on most teams right now, and is going to be one of the best post players in the league.

 

I'm saying in general, not as far as role playing goes.

 

I agree that he's not going to be a fit for the Lakers, if he's going to play center. He's a forward. On that I absolutely agree. But in general, I'll take Bosh over Bynum any day.

 

And kid? He's been in the league for 5 years. He's officially a veteran, and he's been about at the same level for about the past 3 years. Chris Bosh is young too.

 

Sorry, I don't buy into Bynum being a star at any point in his career.

 

Sorry, honey, but role playing is part of the game. The Lakers do not need any more guys who need to dominate the ball to get theirs. They need guys like a Bynum, a Perkins, a Kirk Hinrich, etc etc, who will come in, not demand the ball, play top notch defense, and be efficient with their touches.

 

And yes, he's 22, he's a kid.

[Spudboy]

Is Kendick Perkins a star?

[YanksHater213]

No, but he's one of the few guys left in the NBA who has a large body and can play in the post and score on people at a good clip when he sees the ball. If LA was in a situation where their front court was Artest/Odom, Gasol, and Bosh, Perkins would eat that for breakfast lunch and dinner.

[YanksHater213]

f*** no. Robinson is basically Eddie House without the experience. He gets the numbers he does in New York because he's in a system where offense (and the three point shot) is king and he's somehow the best offensive player on the team. He's a terrible defender and has zero point guard skills. Plus, there's a good chance we lose him for nothing this offseason. I'd rather not waste what little tradeable assets we have on redundancy.

 

If we're going to go after a guard, I'd much rather chase Kirk Hinrich. He at least can defend and be a legitimate backup point guard, while still being a good shooter. His contract isn't good, but at the same time that could be all the more reason for Chicago to unload him. Regardless of if they somehow grab the 7/8 spot in a terrible East, they aren't going anywhere.

 

Above all, we need to go after someone who will fix this whole 28th in the NBA in rebounding thing. Which is completely unacceptable from a supposedly championship caliber team.

 

I think Robinson is a rich mans Eddie House. He's more versatile offensively and can create his own shots as opposed to Eddie who really only catches and shoots. I'm not really too keen on getting him either, but he's a very enigmatic player who plays with a lot of energy and can carry the scoring load every once in a while. It's worth a look for the right price.

 

And couldn't agree more on Hinrich, I've been wanting to see him here for a long time. I think I've been trying to think up deals to get him at the trade deadline since 07-08.

[Emmz]

You can't look at 40-50 starts and just expect that's going to be his average throughout his career. He came into the league skinny and throughout his career he's been bulking up and that takes some time to get used to. Bynum is really LA's only big body capable of defending guys in the paint (Duncan' date=' Shaq, Nene, Perkins, Stoudemire, etc etc). LA already has Bryant, Gasol, and Odom who need to have the ball in their hands to get theirs, and adding another to that isn't going to make them better, and they'll lose a lot of efficiency offensively because Bynum doesn't command touches, gets double teamed, and is one of the few pure low post players left in the NBA. Bynum is only going to get better and better while Bosh has hit his peak. Right now Bosh is a 2nd option on a good team, 1st option on a bad team, while Bynum could contribute as a secondary or tertiary scorer on most teams right now, and is going to be one of the best post players in the league.[/quote']

 

Okay, what part of not a good fit for the Lakers didn't you understand?

 

Sorry, honey, but role playing is part of the game. The Lakers do not need any more guys who need to dominate the ball to get theirs. They need guys like a Bynum, a Perkins, a Kirk Hinrich, etc etc, who will come in, not demand the ball, play top notch defense, and be efficient with their touches.

 

And yes, he's 22, he's a kid.

 

Just saying in general. Stop being a condescending ******* while you're at it.

 

If you're trying to start s*** with me, I can start playing that way too.

[Spudboy]

"Sorry Honey"?

 

Are you talking to me?

 

No?

 

Knock it off and try to be civil. No one on this thread is an expert on Basketball, from what I've read.