2009 World Series: Phillies @ Yankees

[Keeper]

Why is a team more likeable if it builds from its farm system?

 

Seriously? You really can't see how a team composed mostly of homegrown players is more likeable than a team that outbids other teams for Type A free agents?

[a700hitter]

Haha, you stick to your guns, no matter how many times you have to argue the point.

 

For me, it doesn't matter who is getting the job done. It could be home grown players, international signings, free agents, trades, whatever. In the end, as long as they're good players, I don't care at all. I also don't care how much my team spends (I know, very convenient for a Yankee fan to feel that way). If it means winning ball games, and hopefully championships, I'm all for it.

All the people that argued against getting Halladay don't understand that Yankee fans were very relieved when the deadline passed and he was not wearing a Red Sox hat. A pitcher like that puts fear in the hearts of opposing fans. Opposing fans aren't worrying about Buccholz yet-- maybe never.

[yankees228]

Seriously? You really can't see how a team composed mostly of homegrown players is more likeable than a team that outbids other teams for Type A free agents?

 

To some people, yes. But I agree with a700. The most likable team is a winning one. Everything else is minor, in my opinion.

[a700hitter]

Seriously? You really can't see how a team composed mostly of homegrown players is more likeable than a team that outbids other teams for Type A free agents?

Seriously, I can't. These players are not homegrown in terms of them having roots in the community. Also, other than the single A Staten Island, the closest Yankee affiliate is Wilkes Barre, Pa, so its not like NYers see these kids play in the minors and get attached to them. No, I don't get. Explain to me why farm grown players that win are more enjoyable than a team that wins with FA players and veterans acquired by trade.

[Keeper]

Personally, I think it's gratifying to see homegrown players get called up and meet or exceed expectations. It means your scouts knew what they were doing when they drafted them. It means your farm system doesn't stagnate players. It means that you will have a revolving door of promising prospects for many, many years to come and won't necessarily have to rely on free agency in order to compete.

 

Maybe if the Sox had a s***** farm system, you'd feel differently.

[a700hitter]

Personally, I think it's gratifying to see homegrown players get called up and meet or exceed expectations. It means your scouts knew what they were doing when they drafted them. It means your farm system doesn't stagnate players. It means that you will have a revolving door of promising prospects for many, many years to come and won't necessarily have to rely on free agency in order to compete.

 

Maybe if the Sox had a s***** farm system, you'd feel differently.

I could understand that gratification if you had a financial stake in the team, or if you worked for the team. I don't concern myself with the behind the scenes stuff. I don't know the name of the head of their player development. I enjoy watching a good baseball team play winning ball. If they were losing but had a fantastic organization in place, I would not find the losing to be enjoyable. Fans don't pay to see the people in the back office. Winning is enjoyable whether or not the players are farm grown or not, young or old.

[yankees228]

I could understand that gratification if you had a financial stake in the team' date=' or if you worked for the team. I don't concern myself with the behind the scenes stuff. I don't know the name of the head of their player development. I enjoy watching a good baseball team play winning ball. If they were losing but had a fantastic organization in place, I would not find the losing to be enjoyable. Fans don't pay to see the people in the back office. Winning is enjoyable whether or not the players are farm grown or not, young or old.[/quote']

 

I agree with this 100%.

[26 to 6]

If you believe Charlie Manuel' date=' these umpires are really ridiculous. Apparently they told Charlie after the A-Rod home run that they discussed the camera before the game, and decided that any ball that hit it would be a home run. However, according to Charlie, they never informed the Phillies of that prior to the game. That's pretty ridiculous.[/quote']

Why would it even matter if he was informed or not? The camera was above the top of the fence and out of play. In other words...HOME RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[yankees228]

Why would it even matter if he was informed or not? The camera was above the top of the fence and out of play. In other words...HOME RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The problem is that the camera was not out of play. It was sticking out over the fence. When the lineup cards are exchanged prior to the game, the umpires are supposed to inform both teams of any quirks or anomalies that might effect balls in play. Apparently, they did not do this. It's not too big a deal, but it speaks to how poor a job the umpires have done this postseason.

[jacksonianmarch]

We now have this world series by the balls. The win tonight was huge. Not only because it gave us a 2-1 advantage, but because it guarantees that we at least will get back to Yankee Stadium. And, when we return to YS, we wont have to face Cliff Lee. And if the pitching matchup tonight goes as expected, we could go back to NY needing to win only one of two games.

[Dipre]

I feel the same way' date=' and I tire of all the internet GMs that debate the finances of moves.[/quote']

 

Is it your money? No.

 

So of course you don't care about the finances.

 

About the Bucholz vs. Lee ordeal, the only person who thinks they could've put a package together for both Lee and V-Mart is you, internet GM much?

[Dipre]

I could understand that gratification if you had a financial stake in the team' date=' or if you worked for the team. I don't concern myself with the behind the scenes stuff. I don't know the name of the head of their player development. I enjoy watching a good baseball team play winning ball. If they were losing but had a fantastic organization in place, I would not find the losing to be enjoyable. Fans don't pay to see the people in the back office. Winning is enjoyable whether or not the players are farm grown or not, young or old.[/quote']

 

The real reason why bringing up lots of farm system players is that they're usually a little more inclined to sign club-friendly contracts, eliminate the hassle of dealing with the FA market, and of course, keep those draft picks rolling in so the next wave of talent can come along.

 

Those are important advantages, that's why FO's who have a mid-to-high payroll but also concentrate on player development are usually more successful (Boston) than the one who has a good payroll but went exclusively to the FA and prospect trades formula and now finds itself in a barrel full of suck (Seattle).

 

Of course you don't care "who the head of player development" is, but i'm pretty sure that pieces like Ellsbury, Youkilis, Pedroia, Lester and Papelbon (who you say is the best reliever the Sox have ever had, wonder where he came from?) would have been very difficult to add through the FA market and trade.

 

Baseball is business, and every team operates under a business model, if you don't care enough to understand the Boston Red Sox' business model (a very successful one by the way) i suggest you stop getting pissed at the "internet GMs who discuss finances" and switch to being a Yankee fan, that'd suit your style much better.

 

I agree with this 100%.

 

Of course you agree with him.

[VA Sox Fan]

We now have this world series by the balls. The win tonight was huge. Not only because it gave us a 2-1 advantage' date=' but because it guarantees that we at least will get back to Yankee Stadium. And, when we return to YS, we wont have to face Cliff Lee. And if the pitching matchup tonight goes as expected, we could go back to NY needing to win only one of two games.[/quote']

 

 

Jacko called it. Start planning the parade.

[redsoxrules]

Hamels blows , Manuel certainly made the right move to put Pedro Game 2

however if they get to a game 7 the phillies are f***ed

[Gom]

Two more to go, and we are the team of the decade.

[VA Sox Fan]

Two more to go' date=' and [b']we are the team of the decade[/b].

 

How is that?

[Gom]

It depends on whether you count 2000 as part of this decade or last decade.

[VA Sox Fan]

It depends on whether you count 2000 as part of this decade or last decade.

 

So 2 WS in one decade make the NYY the team of the decade?

[yankees228]

So 2 WS in one decade make the NYY the team of the decade?

 

I really don't care about these things, in the least, but the Yankees would have the best resume this decade. If they win this World Series, that would give them...

 

-Two Championships

-Four American League Pennants

-Eight Division Titles

-Nine Postseason Appearances

 

The only team with as many championships would be the Red Sox. There resume is...

 

-Two Championships

-Two American League Pennants

-One Division Title

-Six Postseason Appearances

 

The only thing that really matters is championships, but, technically, the Yankees do have the better resume.

[VA Sox Fan]

I really don't care about these things' date=' in the least[/b'], but the Yankees would have the best resume this decade. If they win this World Series, that would give them...

 

-Two Championships

-Four American League Pennants

-Eight Division Titles

-Nine Postseason Appearances

 

The only team with as many championships would be the Red Sox. There resume is...

 

-Two Championships

-Two American League Pennants

-One Division Title

-Six Postseason Appearances

 

The only thing that really matters is championships, but, technically, the Yankees do have the better resume.

 

I don't either but Gom does.

[Gom]

So 2 WS in one decade make the NYY the team of the decade?

 

Who would your pick be?

[VA Sox Fan]

Who would your pick be?

 

See above, I don't care. I leave that up the ESPN's of the world.

[yankees228]

Jacko called it. Start planning the parade.

 

I don't get the use of sarcasm here. I understand that Jacko usually has a very rosy outlook for the Yankees, but there wasn't even a prediction in his post. All he stated was facts.

 

Do the Yankees have the advantage in this series? Yes.

Do they have the pitching advantage in one of the next two games? Yes.

Do they guarantee at least a return home? Yes.

Do they avoid Lee once they get back home? Yes.

[yankees228]

We now have this world series by the balls. The win tonight was huge. Not only because it gave us a 2-1 advantage' date=' but because it guarantees that we at least will get back to Yankee Stadium. And, when we return to YS, we wont have to face Cliff Lee. And if the pitching matchup tonight goes as expected, we could go back to NY needing to win only one of two games.[/quote']

 

Win or lose tonight, I'm very curious to see who they start in game five. If they go up 3-1, I could see Girardi sending Gaudin out there against Lee and, essentially, sacrificing the game to set them up for New York.

 

Also, we'll see what Sabathia has tonight. The amount of rest he has had between starts has been so erratic this postseason (4, 8, 3, 7, and now 3). Hopefully it has no bearing on how he pitches.

[Optimist]

Only caught bits and pieces of last night's game, but thankfully those included Pettitte's huge hit and the final out. Good to see the offense break out in a big way, hopefully they can keep it going. If CC pitches like he did in game one and the offense hits Blanton like they should, the Yankees should be in a pretty good position tonight.

[yankees228]

Only caught bits and pieces of last night's game' date=' but thankfully those included Pettitte's huge hit and the final out. Good to see the offense break out in a big way, hopefully they can keep it going. If CC pitches like he did in game one and the offense hits Blanton like they should, the Yankees should be in a pretty good position tonight.[/quote']

 

After game four of the ALCS I really thought the offense was finally ready to get going, but, outside of one inning the rest of the series, I was wrong. If last night is a sign of things to come (and Blanton is the perfect pitcher to face after last night), then the Yankees will likely win this series. Unfortunately, I've seen too much inconsistently from them this postseason to be super confident that they really have come around.

[VA Sox Fan]

I don't get the use of sarcasm here. I understand that Jacko usually has a very rosy outlook for the Yankees, but there wasn't even a prediction in his post. All he stated was facts.

 

Do the Yankees have the advantage in this series? Yes.

Do they have the pitching advantage in one of the next two games? Yes.

Do they guarantee at least a return home? Yes.

Do they avoid Lee once they get back home? Yes.

 

I'm sorry that you don't get the sarcasm. And I would appreciate it if you wouldn't feel the need to address everything that I post, as you have lately.

 

GO PHILLIES!

[suns]

November Baseball LET'S GO!!!!!!!!!!!

[yankees228]

I'm sorry that you don't get the sarcasm. And I would appreciate it if you wouldn't feel the need to address everything that I post, as you have lately.

 

GO PHILLIES!

 

So we're on a message board to do what? Not reply to people's posts? That's news to me. I spend the majority of my time in this forum instead of in the Red Sox forum simply because that seems to create unnecessary tension. Due to that fact, I'm going to respond to a decent amount of the posts here. There was nothing nasty or antagonistic about the reply you quoted. I was simply backing up what Jacko said.

[a700hitter]

The real reason why bringing up lots of farm system players is that they're usually a little more inclined to sign club-friendly contracts, eliminate the hassle of dealing with the FA market, and of course, keep those draft picks rolling in so the next wave of talent can come along.

 

Those are important advantages, that's why FO's who have a mid-to-high payroll but also concentrate on player development are usually more successful (Boston) than the one who has a good payroll but went exclusively to the FA and prospect trades formula and now finds itself in a barrel full of suck (Seattle).

 

Of course you don't care "who the head of player development" is, but i'm pretty sure that pieces like Ellsbury, Youkilis, Pedroia, Lester and Papelbon (who you say is the best reliever the Sox have ever had, wonder where he came from?) would have been very difficult to add through the FA market and trade.

 

Baseball is business, and every team operates under a business model, if you don't care enough to understand the Boston Red Sox' business model (a very successful one by the way) i suggest you stop getting pissed at the "internet GMs who discuss finances" and switch to being a Yankee fan, that'd suit your style much better.

So, are you enjoying that we have this great player development system right now with our guys sitting at home and the Yankees about to win a Championship? I'm not.

 

You are missing my point. Of course it is good to have a strong organization. That is important for any business, but I don't go to the game to admire a team's business model. The efficiency of their organization doesn't add to my enjoyment of watching a winning team. As I am watching the Sox win, I don't care how the organization accomplished it. I don't sit and watch the credits at the end of a movie that I enjoyed. I'm not goin to enjoy it anymore, because they had a kick-ass crew.

 

You can answer snidely "sure, it's not your money," but I do go to a lot of games in Boston and Spring Training in Ft. Myers, so I do pay the expensive ticket prices. It would be far cheaper to be a fan of the Royals. In fact, rooting for any team other than the Red Sox would be cheaper. It is my money. What they do affects my pocket book. You watch the games on TV, so I don't know why the $ part of Free Agency would bother you.

 

Suggesting that I switch to being a Yankee fan, because that suits my style is just ludicrous. I hope that you were kidding. Are fans supposed to root for teams based on FO philosophy? It's also silly for any of us to try to denigrate a Yankee Championship because of their FA spending. That's just petty jealousy. We can tell them to shove it up their asses because we've had 2 Championships in the new century and that the Sox also have 2 Championships in the last 6 years, and if they win, the Yankees will have 2 in the last 10 years. That is a legitimate, but to argue about how they got their championship...? That makes no sense. Our team has slipped in each of the last 2 seasons, and without some major acquisitions, next season it could slip further. Our guys have spent lots of money throughout the years too, so let's not cry for them. The Dice K move is turning out to be a big waste. CC was a far better investment. When he is good, he is a dominating horse. When Dice K is good, well... he is just good.