2009 ALCS: Angels @ Yankees

[317yankee]

I presume this post is not about me and the rest of the bleacher creatures.

 

I am sure it is not about you but about those big $ people with their big $ seats that remain empty and have pretty much all year. I am sure if they make the WS those seats will be sat in for the first time...sad but true.

[example1]

I presume this post is not about me and the rest of the bleacher creatures.

 

It wasn't about you. However you did write a post the other day complaining about having to go to the game instead of getting to watch it at home, "cozy and warm". I thought that was pretty weak too, but no... not you in particular.

[example1]

Unsurprising really. This is a team that can't figure out what its identity is OFF the field, much less ON.

 

So yeah, the Yankees are about to prove that spending big sometimes works after all. Blah.

 

Was this in doubt? I mean, even when they lost in previous years they WERE in the playoffs. The 03 team and the 04 team were good enough to win it all... it is remarkable that they didn't, actually.

[Gom]

It wasn't about you. However you did write a post the other day complaining about having to go to the game instead of getting to watch it at home' date=' "cozy and warm". I thought that was pretty weak too, but no... not you in particular.[/quote']

 

I bitched about the cold..but I still went.

[bsox0407]

I bitched about the cold..but I still went.

 

its really that the tickets are so damn expensive. the rich people who bought them dont wanna get wet or be a little cold. seats like that should be sold to the true fans who would freeze their balls off just to be in the stadium.

[26 to 6]

It was obvious on television, especially later in the game. It was pathetic. Such silver-spoon fans, with their $200m team and their yearly playoff apperances, not even willing to sit through a cold night to watch a playoff game.

 

I wish it was just about the cold, but I've seen empty seats in that place all year.

The reason you have seen empty seats all year is because of the cost. If the prices were rational the place would be packed. Now I know what your going to say, the big money people can afford the big money seats, but those people (well most of them) aren't what we would call fans. Don't doubt the loyalty of the Yankee fan-base because most of us can't afford to sit in the seats most visible on television. The rest of that Stadium has been packed with FANS. I agree though, it is ridiculous that we are able to see the best SEATS in the house rather than people sitting in them. And you're probably right, if we win the pennant those seats will most-likely be filled come Game 1 of the Series. It's just a shame that the people who would actually enjoy sitting in those seats can't afford to, while the people who can afford it take it for granted and never bother to show up. Cold or not, if I had tickets for ANY seat at one of these postseason games I would most definitely be there battling the cold. s***...that's what jackets are for.

[26 to 6]

its really that the tickets are so damn expensive. the rich people who bought them dont wanna get wet or be a little cold. seats like that should be sold to the true fans who would freeze their balls off just to be in the stadium.

EXACTLY

[bsox0407]

EXACTLY

 

631-1606 for a ticket is just insane. thats even the discounted price from what it started at, at the beginning of the season.

 

Fenways most expensive ticket is 350.

 

yankee stadium does have the 11 dollar seat where you can't see right field from the seats. at least you can see it on a 42 inch tv. i can watch the game from home for free and be warm and see the whole field.

[example1]

The reason you have seen empty seats all year is because of the cost. If the prices were rational the place would be packed. Now I know what your going to say' date=' the big money people can afford the big money seats, but those people (well most of them) aren't what we would call fans. Don't doubt the loyalty of the Yankee fan-base because most of us can't afford to sit in the seats most visible on television. The rest of that Stadium has been packed with FANS. I agree though, it is ridiculous that we are able to see the best SEATS in the house rather than people sitting in them. And you're probably right, if we win the pennant those seats will most-likely be filled come Game 1 of the Series. It's just a shame that the people who would actually enjoy sitting in those seats can't afford to, while the people who can afford it take it for granted and never bother to show up. Cold or not, if I had tickets for ANY seat at one of these postseason games I would most definitely be there battling the cold. s***...that's what jackets are for.[/quote']

 

So, who is to blame? The rich weak-ass fans, or the selfish greedy owners who want more money, or the average fans who demand a winning team and thus encourage the owners to spend $200m on a team? My answer? All of the above in different degrees.

[bsox0407]

So' date=' who is to blame? The rich weak-ass fans, or the selfish greedy owners who want more money, or the average fans who demand a winning team and thus encourage the owners to spend $200m on a team? My answer? All of the above in different degrees.[/quote']

 

definitely a key factor is all of those. prolly a lot of those tickets are owned by companies. the really expensice ones.

[Gom]

So' date=' who is to blame? The rich weak-ass fans, or the selfish greedy owners who want more money, or the average fans who demand a winning team and thus encourage the owners to spend $200m on a team? My answer? All of the above in different degrees.[/quote']

 

What's the difference between the Yankees and Red Sox? Change the $200 million to $10 million [or whatever] and you have the same thing. Until this year, the Red Sox had the most expensive seats for a decade.

 

Same s***...the difference isn't us. It's when you go to Detroit and the most expensive ticket is $70, which is right behind the dugout. That's the problem. You can't take a family of four to either park.

 

That said, the Steinbrenners f***ed up royally. What they should do is roll back ticket prices to ALL seats as they were for the last season in the old stadium. Then...only then...will it be like it was before.

[bsox0407]

What's the difference between the Yankees and Red Sox? Change the $200 million to $10 million [or whatever] and you have the same thing. Until this year, the Red Sox had the most expensive seats for a decade.

 

Same s***...the difference isn't us. It's when you go to Detroit and the most expensive ticket is $70, which is right behind the dugout. That's the problem. You can't take a family of four to either park.

 

That said, the Steinbrenners f***ed up royally. What they should do is roll back ticket prices to ALL seats as they were for the last season in the old stadium. Then...only then...will it be like it was before.

 

last year at the old stadium the best tickets were 400 dollars. like Giuliani seats.

[bsox0407]

plus at fenway they sell out every game since 2003. the yankees had more seats and the tickets didn't have to be as expensive to make the same profit.

[bsox0407]

the red sox sold in 2008- 2.3 million tickets

 

the yankees in 2008- 3.8 million tickets. more seats equally less tickets need to be sold to equal the same sale of the 2.3 million tickets.

[yankees228]

The reason you have seen empty seats all year is because of the cost. If the prices were rational the place would be packed. Now I know what your going to say' date=' the big money people can afford the big money seats, but those people (well most of them) aren't what we would call fans. Don't doubt the loyalty of the Yankee fan-base because most of us can't afford to sit in the seats most visible on television. The rest of that Stadium has been packed with FANS. I agree though, it is ridiculous that we are able to see the best SEATS in the house rather than people sitting in them. And you're probably right, if we win the pennant those seats will most-likely be filled come Game 1 of the Series. It's just a shame that the people who would actually enjoy sitting in those seats can't afford to, while the people who can afford it take it for granted and never bother to show up. Cold or not, if I had tickets for ANY seat at one of these postseason games I would most definitely be there battling the cold. s***...that's what jackets are for.[/quote']

 

Last nights game was sold out. People just didn't show up, whether it be in the Legends' Seats or in the upper deck.

[yankees228]

Was this in doubt? I mean' date=' even when they lost in previous years they WERE in the playoffs. The 03 team and the 04 team were good enough to win it all... it is remarkable that they didn't, actually.[/quote']

 

I was very surprised that the 2003 team didn't win the World Series. With the exception of the set up men and middle relievers, that team could have gone toe to toe (and possibly beat) all of the World Series teams (especially 1996 and 2000).

 

However, I'm not surprised that 2004 didn't win it. The Red Sox top four starters in 2004 were Schilling, Martinez, Arroyo, and Lowe. The Yankees had Mussina, Lieber, Brown, and an injured El Duque. The Red Sox, in my opinion, had a better team that year and it played out that way on the field.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankee rotation has been lights out thus far. AJ with 2ER brings up the collective ERA. The pen was money as well last night (albeit after walking a tightrope). And ARod has been a one man wrecking crew. The two guys who everyone thought wilted in the postseason have been integral in the 5-0 start (CC and ARod). 6 more wins to #27.

[yankees228]

Shockingly, I'm a bit more concerned with ALCS Game 3 than the Yankees' payroll. Weaver's success at home this year worries me, and if Pettitte struggles early (which often happens) I have a feeling it might turn into five or six runs, instead of just a couple.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, the Angels obviously struggled with the power pitchers. They havent seen a finesse pitcher in awhile, but Pettitte also has the added caveat that he can limit the running game with his move. I honestly think this is gonna be another game dependent on the bullpens. Even when he is pitching well, Weaver is the kind of guy who you can run his pitch count up on.

[yankees228]

Well' date=' the Angels obviously struggled with the power pitchers. They havent seen a finesse pitcher in awhile, but Pettitte also has the added caveat that he can limit the running game with his move. I honestly think this is gonna be another game dependent on the bullpens. Even when he is pitching well, Weaver is the kind of guy who you can run his pitch count up on.[/quote']

 

I think you're really overrating Pettitte's ability to control the running game. Earlier in Pettitte's career you used to always see runners moving back to first base, even if he was throwing home. That doesn't really happen anymore. While he does have a good move, he's extremely slow to home plate. Opposing base runners have just made it a guessing game at this point. If they go, it's an easy stolen base. Every so often they're going to get picked off, but then Teixeira still have to make a good throw to second. There is no longer any fear when it comes to running against Andy Pettitte.

[Cocos Disciples]

Shockingly' date=' I'm a bit more concerned with ALCS Game 3 than the Yankees' payroll.[/quote']

 

Impossible! Get your damn priorities straight!

 

Weaver has been great this year at home, Pettitte has been very good on the road. I actually think this one is a semi pitcher's duel. I won't even guess who wins, I'd say it's a tossup.

[yankees228]

My other concern, which no one really wants to discuss, is the offense. Teixeira looks terrible. Damon, while he has gotten a few soft hits to left field, still does not look good at the plate. Matsui has gotten a few hits, but he doesn't look great. Same with Cano.

 

Hopefully the warmer weather gets them going, so we'll see.

[jacksonianmarch]

The weather is a significant limiting factor. The ball just doesnt travel when it is 35 degrees out and there is a 20 mph wind blowing directly in.

[yankees228]

The weather is a significant limiting factor. The ball just doesnt travel when it is 35 degrees out and there is a 20 mph wind blowing directly in.

 

Regardless of the weather, we both know that a few of these hitters, especially Teixeira, look terrible at the plate.

[bsox0407]

Regardless of the weather' date=' we both know that a few of these hitters, especially Teixeira, look terrible at the plate.[/quote']

 

i think popping out with a 3-0 count really had nothing to due with the weather. Also maybe be a little worried about 3 errors in the last game.

[yankees228]

i think popping out with a 3-0 count really had nothing to due with the weather. Also maybe be a little worried about 3 errors in the last game.

 

There is no reason to be concerned about the errors, simply because they aren't unusual. That happens to Cano from time to time. He tends to be very nonchalant at times, and, every so often, he pays for it. We also know that Jeter is prone to an error every now and then.

[bsox0407]

There is no reason to be concerned about the errors' date=' simply because they aren't unusual. That happens to Cano from time to time. He tends to be very nonchalant at times, and, every so often, he pays for it. We also know that Jeter is prone to an error every now and then.[/quote']

 

yeah but if it happens like in 2004 with the Red Sox in the first two games of the WS itcould hurt them like it almost did in game one of the WS.

[yankees228]

yeah but if it happens like in 2004 with the Red Sox in the first two games of the WS itcould hurt them like it almost did in game one of the WS.

 

There are obviously examples of error's hurting teams. It happens all the time. But a couple misplays is not a cause for concern.

[bsox0407]

There are obviously examples of error's hurting teams. It happens all the time. But a couple misplays is not a cause for concern.

 

by the middle infield. As girardi i would be all over Cano for the two errors. his were being nonchalant and you should never be nonchalant in the playoffs. i scream at JD Drew when he makes one handed catches. Use two hands.

[26 to 6]

I was very surprised that the 2003 team didn't win the World Series. With the exception of the set up men and middle relievers, that team could have gone toe to toe (and possibly beat) all of the World Series teams (especially 1996 and 2000).

 

However, I'm not surprised that 2004 didn't win it. The Red Sox top four starters in 2004 were Schilling, Martinez, Arroyo, and Lowe. The Yankees had Mussina, Lieber, Brown, and an injured El Duque. The Red Sox, in my opinion, had a better team that year and it played out that way on the field.

Losing that 2003 World Seires still haunts me. I still see Alex Gonzalez's HR off Jeff Weaver in my nightmares. I've always been a big Torre supporter, but he did a pretty poor job managing that World Series. WHAT THE f*** WAS JEFF WEAVER DOING IN THE GAME IN THAT SPOT. Gabe White was ready and available. That's the one thing that really sticks out to me in that World Series, but of course Joe made several other questionable decisions.

 

I'm ready to get revenge on Jeff Weaver today by knocking his little, equally ugly brother around a little bit.