Cassius Clay's ERA minus 2 abberation starts

[YanksHater213]

Take out his 2 starts where he allowed 7 runs, the guys ERA is 2.11

 

Is this real or is it deceptive?

 

Discuss.

[msubulldogs21]

Not to sound like a homer, but yeah, he's the real deal alright.

 

I'm not going to expect a Cy Young or anything, but I'm pretty stoked to see what he can do over the course of a full season. It appears he has finally figured it all out, kind of like Lester breaking out last year.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's a young pitcher with great stuff. He will throw up some stinkers and he will look dominant at times. Right now, he's on a really good run

[YanksHater213]

He's a young pitcher with great stuff. He will throw up some stinkers and he will look dominant at times. Right now' date=' he's on a really good run[/quote']

 

call me a homer if you want, but i wouldn't call 2 poor starts completely surrounded by great/good starts as a "good run"

[Youk Of The Nation]

I think he will win 25 games next season with an ERA slightly under 2.20, cure AIDS, discover a cheap and efficient method of cold fusion, broker peace between Israel and Palestine, colonize Mars, and disprove Einstein's Theory of Relativity. He will ultimately fail, however, to avert another losing season for the Detroit Lions.

[jacksonianmarch]

He had a run of s*** last season which was my point. He may have turned a corner. But he is still essentially a rookie pitcher, meaning he is unpredictable

[msubulldogs21]

But he is still essentially a rookie pitcher' date=' meaning he is unpredictable[/quote']

 

I think you could've said this a month after he joined the big league club, but do you not expect him to go out there and pitch well now? I know I do. Of course he could still have some bad starts as could anyone, but I think we're past the point of wondering "Hmm. I hope Buchholz has his game tonight" status. Now we just expect it.

[Keeper]

He had a run of s*** last season which was my point. He may have turned a corner. But he is still essentially a rookie pitcher' date=' meaning he is unpredictable[/quote']

 

I'm with Jacko on this one. It's too early to say he's arrived. Look at Joba.

[Dipre]

I'm with Jacko on this one. It's too early to say he's arrived. Look at Joba.

 

Joba never quite had a run of consistency like this one.

 

But he's not a finished product yet.

[example1]

I don't think Buchholz will go back to being a mediocre pitcher again. His performance this year isn't coming out of nowhere; these results are much more on-par with what he has produced at every level than his poor starts last year were.

 

His command is much better and he really does have more confidence in his FB than he did last year or two years ago. He's added about 2mph to his FB and he's throwing his slider more and seems to understand how to best utilize his slider given his other weapons.

 

The kid is very, very good. There should be no doubt why his name was the first on every other team's list in trade talks.

 

The thing that has surprised me the most is how he's moved away from the strikeout and is pitching more to contact. His ability to change speeds will get him a lot of weak pop flies and groundballs and take a lot of his tendency to nibble away. I think his next step of development will be him adding the strikeout back into his repetoir in certain starts. I expect him to be a 200+ K pitcher within 2-3 seasons.

[Dipre]

I don't think Buchholz will go back to being a mediocre pitcher again. His performance this year isn't coming out of nowhere; these results are much more on-par with what he has produced at every level than his poor starts last year were.

 

His command is much better and he really does have more confidence in his FB than he did last year or two years ago. He's added about 2mph to his FB and he's throwing his slider more and seems to understand how to best utilize his slider given his other weapons.

 

The kid is very, very good. There should be no doubt why his name was the first on every other team's list in trade talks.

 

The thing that has surprised me the most is how he's moved away from the strikeout and is pitching more to contact. His ability to change speeds will get him a lot of weak pop flies and groundballs and take a lot of his tendency to nibble away. I think his next step of development will be him adding the strikeout back into his repetoir in certain starts. I expect him to be a 200+ K pitcher within 2-3 seasons.

 

Or like Lester, he could be a 200 K pitcher next year, the swing-and-miss stuff is there after all.

 

Right now, at least right now, Theo looks like a genius for not giving him up for Halladay.

[Gom]

Beware of pitchers who look good in March and September.

[Dojji]

Good thing Buchholz looked darn good in August, hmm?

[Gom]

Good thing Buchholz looked darn good in August' date=' hmm?[/quote']

 

He threw a no-hitter one September, remember?

 

You get the gist of what I'm saying.

[BoSox21]

He's on a run right now that no pitcher can keep up but he was brought along as a pitcher with ace potential and right now, he's pitching like an ace. Nothing deceptive about that.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

He's a young pitcher with great stuff. He will throw up some stinkers and he will look dominant at times. Right now' date=' he's on a really good run[/quote']

Table.

[Dojji]

I dunno, what he said was so general it might be a horoscope. I don't think this is worth the table.

[italstallianion]

Take out his 2 starts where he allowed 7 runs, the guys ERA is 2.11

 

Is this real or is it deceptive?

 

Discuss.

 

While I agree that Buchholz's numbers may be a little exaggerated due to the incredibly futility represented in a mere 2-3 starts, they cannot be ignored. Sure, on an aggregate level, even while including those horrific starts, his numbers are very f***** good. However, combining those 2 starts with some of his select starts from last year shows that he still has the ability to get his s*** pushed in.

 

I do like how he's been pitching and he shows great promise for future years, especially considering the fact that he's 24-25. With that said, we should probably wait until he has more than 200 career innings (and perhaps more than 200 innings in a season) before we herald him as the next big thing. Simply put, as much as I'd love to ignore those other starts as outliers, they did happen nonetheless. You can say "if he didn't have those 2 starts his ERA would be 2.11", but that's like saying "if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle"

[Beaneater]

I second what Dipre said earlier. We are going to be sooooooo glad we didn't trade this kid.

[Rdsxmbnt]

One day I hope to meet another person in this world with a Buchholz jersey. I think that day will be coming soon

[PWNdroia]

I was once bashing this guy and now I'm praising him. I assumed I would be in due time.

[RWTP24]

Clay is going to be one of the best pitchers in the league. He is showing it now and I have no doubt he will in the playoffs as well.

 

Also, Joba does not even have half of Buchholz talent. Don't even go there.

[BoSox21]

Also, Joba does not even have half of Buchholz talent. Don't even go there.

 

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/madpunk0184/HomerSimpson.jpg

[PWNdroia]

Clay is going to be one of the best pitchers in the league. He is showing it now and I have no doubt he will in the playoffs as well.

 

Also, Joba does not even have half of Buchholz talent. Don't even go there.

 

Joba's greatest talent is throwing at heads and acting like nothing has happened...

[Rdsxmbnt]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/madpunk0184/HomerSimpson.jpg

 

it appears Bosox21 tried to "go there" and got firmly denied

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

it appears Bosox21 tried to "go there" and got firmly denied

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

One day I hope to meet another person in this world with a Buchholz jersey. I think that day will be coming soon

Is a t-shirt good enough?

[PWNdroia]

Well, I wasn't saying he was a bad pitcher, I'm just saying he throws at a lot of heads.

 

But I do agree that I think Buchholz will be the better or prime pitcher in the end.

[RWTP24]

Joba's greatest talent is throwing at heads and acting like nothing has happened...

 

I agree.

 

Joba has started 30 games this year and has 8 wins and 6 losses with an ERA well about .400.

 

Buchholz has started 14 games and has 7 wins and 3 losses with an ERA .320.

[BoSox21]

Joba doesn't have HALF the talent Clay has? Are you insane? Seriously, take the pink hat off for a second and really think about what you type.