Kevin Youkilis is selfish

[schillingouttheks]

Good point.

 

Sexson 6 games, reduced to 5

-charged mound

-threw helmet

-had a pitch thrown to him high and almost away (first pitch)

-worth noting that he is a huge guy who could have caused serious injury

 

Youkilis ? games

-charged mound

-threw helmet

-hit the day before

-evidence to suggest Porcello hit Youk on purpose, by also going in tight on Martinez

-pennant race

 

I'd be surprised if Youk got more than what Sexson got, given these circumstances.

 

Even with that point (and it actually does make me feel better, to be honest), how often does it seem that the commissioner actually measures up cases like these against others? I think he's going to look at it, and determine on his own set of factors what the punishment will be; not versus any other event that didn't take place in even close to nearly of an important time during the season. Anyway, even if he did line it up, I'm still not happy that it would be 5 games. That's too many for Youk to not be in the lineup.

[TheKilo]

I won't go back and quote all the posts, but I do agree with what Dipre has been saying. I don't think you can really blame Youkilis for what he did. His emotions got the best of him. It happens to everyone.

 

However, I still don't think it's a good thing for the Red Sox. Losing Youkilis, your best offensive and defensive player, will hurt. This, in my opinion, cannot be argued.

 

You hit the nail in the head about as hard as you could.

 

Excellent post.

 

So, in other words, Youkilis willingly removing himself from a week's worth of games just so he could "send a message" (whatever that means) was a selfish act.

 

THX FOR AGREEING

[jacksonianmarch]

You're just reaching now. If Tex charged Garza and got more than five games' date=' you'd have Bob Watson's family tied up in your basement right now.[/quote']

 

I'm not saying you should be content. I am just trying to predict something here from a guy who has proven to be rather unpredictable

[TheKilo]

Yep.

 

Part of the "human element," has been its wonderous ability to think.

 

God it's like we're the same person

 

Great point

[schillingouttheks]

God it's like we're the same person

 

Great point

 

Well, RtT and WuT? lol

[TheKilo]

I hated it. I agree that it was a stupid thing to do. Here's the deal - baseball is a calm game on the field for the most part, and very rarely (if at all) do one's emotions factor into the game's outcome. I understand that Youkilis was angry, I understand that he snapped - it happens. However, when you're making your living playing a game on a team for which you are a key aspect and needed almost every day, this is not the way to go about venting your frustration. I never bought into any of the "lighting a spark under their ass" through charging the mound/plunking someone, or clubhouse chemistry, or any of that crap because it focuses on the emotional side of a baseball game way more than on the fundamentals and brains of the game. The latter two are way more important in long-term success. There are two sides that get "fired up" in a brawl - don't forget that. AND, if you had to determine who's more pissed off after last night's fiasco, I would say the TIGERS. Youk went after their rookie pitcher, got to him, tried to take him down, but the rookie TOSSED YOUK DOWN LIKE A LITTLE **********. If you're going to charge a rookie pitcher, at least don't let him take you down. Okay?

 

1) Lowell's hip is hanging by a thread. If one more thing happens to him because of exaggerating the injury, he could possibly land on the DL for the rest of the season, if not force him to RETIRE. It's THAT big of a deal.

 

2) WHY THE f*** DID HE ALSO THROW THE HELMET? What's getting lost in here is that everyone keeps forgetting that Porcello is a rookie. I'm not saying that he should get a pass for plunking players because he's young, but I don't think that will look too good in the commissioner's eyes. Not only that, but he threw his helmet. That alone, without starting a brawl, could get someone suspended for a game or two. I see a 6- or 7-game suspension for him, and I'm praying it gets shaved down. Like someone said, this is the first time in awhile a batter was able to reach the pitcher.

 

3) Our positional flexibility just went down the shitter. If something happens to Lowell while Youkilis is out, what happens? Woodward and Green are in the same lineup? If Varitek needs a rest? Ortiz is playing 1B with Baldelli or Reddick at DH. You've got to be s***ing me. It's like the 2006 plague struck our lineup this time. And even our pitching is quite suspect.

 

I know it's only for about a week, but this was not the smart thing to do. The team just went on an 0-6 road trip through TB and NY. You think they need any more "firing up"? Great, let's just make matters worse by losing our all-star MVP candidate first/third baseman. In a season where one game can make a difference, losing Youkilis for hopefully not more than 5 of them is a big deal because it's mid-August.

 

The only positive that can come out of this, obviously, is if it gets everyone else to start hitting. No, they won't be hitting because it "lit a fire under their asses", but rather because they need to f***ing step up and the law of averages kicked in. No one can suck this bad for an extended period of time. I'm glad they won the game, and Lowell was only in the game because Youk got thrown out.

 

I hope they make it through this, but I dunno. They can, but they may not. They won that game in 2004 because they played a better game the rest of the way than the Yankees did, and got lucky that Mo served one up to Mueller. It was the turning point in the season because it was a game that they were not going to win without HITTING, and it just so happened that they did just that.

 

A+

[Dipre]

So, in other words, Youkilis willingly removing himself from a week's worth of games just so he could "send a message" (whatever that means) was a selfish act.

 

THX FOR AGREEING

 

Read.

 

Neither Y228 nor i have said it's not detrimental to the Sox.

 

What's trying to be explained is the fact that you can't call Youk "selfish" for it.

 

Oh, and about Crespo's "Oh well the ability to think" whatever, it's hypocrisy.

 

Of the worst kind.

[TheKilo]

If it's detrimental to the Sox, it's a selfish act.

 

He let his emotions get the better of him. His being suspended will hurt the team more than it will help.

 

Selfish.

[CrespoBlows]

Oh, and about Crespo's "Oh well the ability to think" whatever, it's hypocrisy.

 

Of the worst kind.

 

How so?

[Dipre]

So, in other words, Youkilis willingly removing himself from a week's worth of games just so he could "send a message" (whatever that means) was a selfish act.

 

THX FOR AGREEING

 

How so?

 

Simple.

 

No matter who you are, what you work at, how much you make, or what you do for a hobby, you are a human being.

 

You have flaws.

 

One of the flaws of a human being is blind rage, which we have all experienced at one point or another in our lives.

 

And sure, as you have stated yourself, the repercussions are usually much bigger than the instant gratification.

 

But the point is, sometimes you simply cannot control yourself, because it's easy to sit on the couch and say "well that was stupid, it's only a HBP", but what you need to understand here is the fact that a person can only take so much of a certain situation that's making him uncomfortable before snapping.

 

Even if you're a professional, even if you make millions of dollars, you're still human.

 

And unlike what you said earlier, rationale is not the only part of being human, so are emotions, and emotions sometimes cannot be controlled.

 

For the last time, ballplayers are not robots.

[TheKilo]

I don't buy "emotions can't be controlled sometimes."

 

It was a premeditated, conscious decision to charge the mound. He could have done what Pedroia did Thursday in a 13-4 game against the Yankees. Stare at the pitcher, voice your displeasure, and take your base.

[Dipre]

I don't buy "emotions can't be controlled sometimes."

 

It was a premeditated, conscious decision to charge the mound. He could have done what Pedroia did Thursday in a 13-4 game against the Yankees. Stare at the pitcher, voice your displeasure, and take your base.

 

Easy to say from the couch indeed.

 

Agree to disagree then.

[jacksonianmarch]

Simple.

 

No matter who you are, what you work at, how much you make, or what you do for a hobby, you are a human being.

 

You have flaws.

 

One of the flaws of a human being is blind rage, which we have all experienced at one point or another in our lives.

 

And sure, as you have stated yourself, the repercussions are usually much bigger than the instant gratification.

 

But the point is, sometimes you simply cannot control yourself, because it's easy to sit on the couch and say "well that was stupid, it's only a HBP", but what you need to understand here is the fact that a person can only take so much of a certain situation that's making him uncomfortable before snapping.

 

Even if you're a professional, even if you make millions of dollars, you're still human.

 

And unlike what you said earlier, rationale is not the only part of being human, so are emotions, and emotions sometimes cannot be controlled.

 

For the last time, ballplayers are not robots.

 

 

I have been struck at work many a time from the drunken vagrants populating our ED. If I ever reacted with blind rage, I would not only be fired, but have my medical license revoked. So, while we are all human, you need to control your emotions even when they are difficult to control.

[Dipre]

I have been struck at work many a time from the drunken vagrants populating our ED. If I ever reacted with blind rage' date=' I would not only be fired, but have my medical license revoked. So, while we are all human, you need to control your emotions even when they are difficult to control.[/quote']

 

Best.Comparison.Ever.

 

A drunk person who has no control over himself = a 6'3 pitcher launching a baseball at 90 MPH with clear intention into your back.

 

What can i say, you got me.

 

I rescind my argument.

[CrespoBlows]

Simple.

 

No matter who you are, what you work at, how much you make, or what you do for a hobby, you are a human being.

 

You have flaws.

 

One of the flaws of a human being is blind rage, which we have all experienced at one point or another in our lives.

 

And sure, as you have stated yourself, the repercussions are usually much bigger than the instant gratification.

 

But the point is, sometimes you simply cannot control yourself, because it's easy to sit on the couch and say "well that was stupid, it's only a HBP", but what you need to understand here is the fact that a person can only take so much of a certain situation that's making him uncomfortable before snapping.

 

Even if you're a professional, even if you make millions of dollars, you're still human.

 

And unlike what you said earlier, rationale is not the only part of being human, so are emotions, and emotions sometimes cannot be controlled.

 

For the last time, ballplayers are not robots.

 

I don't see any hypocrisy here.

 

Youkilis is a fallible human being that didn't think about the reprecussions of his actions. The Red Sox will suffer for it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Best.Comparison.Ever.

 

A drunk person who has no control over himself = a 6'3 pitcher launching a baseball at 90 MPH with clear intention into your back.

 

What can i say, you got me.

 

I rescind my argument.

 

If you cannot see the paralell in terms of work and needing to control your emotions, then you are beyond help. Your rosy glasses are blinding you. EVURYFING DA SAWX DO IS GR8!>!>!??!

[BoSox21]

so I guess what needs to be determined here is if what Youk did is simply selfish or both selfish and unforgivable

[Dipre]

I don't see any hypocrisy here.

Youkilis is a fallible human being that didn't think about the reprecussions of his actions. The Red Sox will suffer for it.

 

You said you would've have walked to 1st, you also said you have been a victim of decisions in a state of anger many a time.

 

You too, are a fallible human being, assuring you would have done otherwise in this particular situation after admitting you've fallen victim to blind anger as well is being a hypocrite.

[TheKilo]

Best.Comparison.Ever.

 

A drunk person who has no control over himself = a 6'3 pitcher launching a baseball at 90 MPH with clear intention into your back.

 

What can i say, you got me.

 

I rescind my argument.

 

So because Youkilis plays a game for a living, it's OK for him to let his emotions get in the way of becoming a professional?

 

Why couldn't he do what Pedroia did?

[Dipre]

If you cannot see the paralell in terms of work and needing to control your emotions' date=' then you are beyond help. Your rosy glasses are blinding you. EVURYFING DA SAWX DO IS GR8!>!>!??![/quote']

 

I'm dead serious.

 

You got me.

 

I mean, sure, Youk had been hit the night before.

 

He'd been hit throughout the season.

 

But hey, at least Porcello wasn't drunk.

[jacksonianmarch]

so I guess what needs to be determined here is if what Youk did is simply selfish or both selfish and unforgivable

 

That depends on how you do in his absence

[BoSox21]

Why couldn't he do what Pedroia did?

 

probably cause Pedroia isn't 4th in the AL in HBP

[Dipre]

So because Youkilis plays a game for a living, it's OK for him to let his emotions get in the way of becoming a professional?

 

Why couldn't he do what Pedroia did?

 

You gonna make juice with those cherries?

[CrespoBlows]

You said you would've have walked to 1st, you also said you have been a victim of decisions in a state of anger many a time.

 

You too, are a fallible human being, assuring you would have done otherwise in this particular situation after admitting you've fallen victim to blind anger as well is being a hypocrite.

 

You don't understand the word very well.

[BoSox21]

Youk and Porcello both got five games, as per WEEI

 

that's fair

[TheKilo]

probably cause Pedroia isn't 4th in the AL in HBP

 

What does this have to do with anything? If he doesn't want to get hit, back off the plate.

 

It's not like he doesn't have f***ing body armor on, either.

 

You gonna make juice with those cherries?

 

What?

[TheKilo]

Youk and Porcello both got five games, as per WEEI

 

that's fair

 

Color me shocked, that's pretty lenient.

 

Youk should not even appeal that.

[Keeper]

I don't buy "emotions can't be controlled sometimes."

 

It was a premeditated, conscious decision to charge the mound. He could have done what Pedroia did Thursday in a 13-4 game against the Yankees. Stare at the pitcher, voice your displeasure, and take your base.

 

I don't know why you don't buy it. It's a fact.

 

It couldn't have been premeditated; he didn't know beforehand he was going to get hit. VMart had already been hit. The beanball war should have been over at that point, but Porcello made a rookie mistake by going overboard.

 

I'm with Dipre on this 100%.

[yankees228]

Color me shocked, that's pretty lenient.

 

Youk should not even appeal that.

 

I echo that sentiment.

[Dipre]

You don't understand the word very well.

 

Well if that's your take on it, then you can go down that road, sure.

 

A hypocrite is a person whose words and actions contradict themselves, in other words, preaches something he does not practice. A double-standard, if you may.