Mets turn down Halladay deal!

[High Mileage]

Wow, what a bunch of fools!

 

5:55pm: Jon Heyman at SI tweets that the Mets rejected a package of Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and Ruben Tejada for Halladay.

[Keeper]

Because if there's one thing the Mets don't need to address, it's starting pitching.

[yankees228]

I guess they're dead set on not being buyers.

[High Mileage]

Hopefully Jays' ownership has sat J.P. down and made sure he's not trying to give Halladay away...

[BoSox21]

wow, they couldve had the two best pitchers in baseball on their staff

[pedroia_the_destroyah53]

wow' date=' they couldve had the two best pitchers in baseball on their staff[/quote']

 

They still would find a way to fail it seems.

[Keeper]

Omar Minaya needs to get his head examined.

[Cocos Disciples]

Santana and Halladay...if they made the playoffs, holy s***.

[Dutchy]

Wow' date=' what a bunch of fools![/quote']

 

I respectfully disagree. I think any team would be a fool to trade for Halladay. Because he singed a multi-year extension with the Blue Jays prior to 2006, if he's dealt to any team he'd have the right to demand that team trades him after the year. And if the team didn't trade him he'd become a free agent.

 

No intelligent GM would give up their top prospects for a guy who could end up being only a 2-3 month rental.

[WhiskeyBreath]

, if he's dealt to any team he'd have the right to demand that team trades him after the year. And if the team didn't trade him he'd become a free agent.

 

 

I believe he has a NTC at the moment so I don't picture that happening.

[Dutchy]

I believe he has a NTC at the moment so I don't picture that happening.

 

He could use his ability to demand a trade as leverage in negotiations for an extension, and if he doesn't get the contract he wants he could demand a trade. Seems a little risky for a team to invest all their best prospects for a guy with that ability.

[TheKilo]

I respectfully disagree. I think any team would be a fool to trade for Halladay. Because he singed a multi-year extension with the Blue Jays prior to 2006' date=' [b']if he's dealt to any team he'd have the right to demand that team trades him after the year. And if the team didn't trade him he'd become a free agent.

[/b]

No intelligent GM would give up their top prospects for a guy who could end up being only a 2-3 month rental.

 

Source? This is the first I've ever heard of it.

[BSN07]

The Mets are dead set on not trading Fernando Martinez.

[yankees228]

Source? This is the first I've ever heard of it.

 

I heard it somewhere too. Not quite sure where though, but I'm almost positive Dutchy is correct.

[Dipre]

Source? This is the first I've ever heard of it.

 

It's true, and a it's actually been mentioned a number of times here on the site IIRC.

[TheKilo]

I'd like to see a source is all.

[Dutchy]

Source? This is the first I've ever heard of it.

 

http://zozone.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/07/another_thing_to_consider_abou.html

[TheKilo]

http://zozone.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/07/another_thing_to_consider_abou.html

 

From the linked article:

 

But don't panic. Players rarely invoke that right. Javier Vazquez requested a trade from the Diamondbacks in 2005, but no other player who has invoked that right immediately comes to mind.

[schillingouttheks]

From the linked article:

 

Yes, but that would instantly deter a team like Colorado from getting into the negotiations. That said, I don't think Halladay goes there anyway.

 

I think it's still something to consider, but I would bet you that this specific concern would be handled during trade talks.

[Spudboy]

Source? This is the first I've ever heard of it.

 

Riccardi said it Saturday morning, I believe. I've heard Micheal Holly and Steve Buckley say it too, I believe.

[Dutchy]

Yes, but that would instantly deter a team like Colorado from getting into the negotiations. That said, I don't think Halladay goes there anyway.

 

I think it's still something to consider, but I would bet you that this specific concern would be handled during trade talks.

 

Toronto isn't allowing teams to negotiate with Halladay before a deal is made. Otherwise I'd agree.

[schillingouttheks]

Toronto isn't allowing teams to negotiate with Halladay before a deal is made. Otherwise I'd agree.

 

Oh. Well in that case, f*** that s***. Ricciardi is in a good spot - he doesn't need or necessarily even want to get rid of him, and he's perfectly content having Halladay stay. It's a win-win for him - either he gets to keep one of the top pitchers in baseball, or he hauls in quite the package to unload him.

 

As far as Halladay's right to demand a trade goes, most GMs allow a negotiating window. This seems like one of those rare circumstances where that option could very well be put into play if Halladay doesn't win this year wherever he goes or just doesn't like it. If a team had the opportunity to extend him, it would probably be better for all parties involved. If Ricciardi is that satisfied with keeping Halladay in Toronto, more power to him.

[Dutchy]

From the linked article:

 

I think players rarely qualify for the right to demand a trade, and many of the players who do qualify probably wouldn't have to chance to make the money that Halladay could if he became a free agent.

 

I think the fact that Halladay has the right to demand a trade has got to be a concern for any team that might be giving up years of scouting and development in prospects for what could be 2 months of one pitcher.

[High Mileage]

Omar Minaya has since denied this report entirely.

[Dutchy]

Omar Minaya has since denied this report entirely.

 

LOL

 

/end thread

[Rdsxmbnt]

Oh. Well in that case, f*** that s***. Ricciardi is in a good spot - he doesn't need or necessarily even want to get rid of him, and he's perfectly content having Halladay stay. It's a win-win for him - either he gets to keep one of the top pitchers in baseball, or he hauls in quite the package to unload him.

 

As far as Halladay's right to demand a trade goes, most GMs allow a negotiating window. This seems like one of those rare circumstances where that option could very well be put into play if Halladay doesn't win this year wherever he goes or just doesn't like it. If a team had the opportunity to extend him, it would probably be better for all parties involved. If Ricciardi is that satisfied with keeping Halladay in Toronto, more power to him.

 

Is it really a win-win? Sure he keeps one of the best pitchers in baseball, but for what? To finish fourth and allow Halladay to continue to keep aging into his mid-30's? It seems that in order to maximize his value he should trade him immediately or the offseason at the latest.

[schillingouttheks]

Is it really a win-win? Sure he keeps one of the best pitchers in baseball' date=' but for what? To finish fourth and allow Halladay to continue to keep aging into his mid-30's? It seems that in order to maximize his value he should trade him immediately or the offseason at the latest.[/quote']

 

All I'm saying is that if Ricciardi is more than fine with keeping Halladay, he can't lose. Whether or not you or I think that it's in the team's best interest to trade him is irrelevant. I agree - I would trade Halladay for a king's ransom and allow teams to negotiate with him. That being said, apparently Ricciardi is happy keeping him. He still has next July to trade him if he wants. Barring some substantial injury to him, it would be worth it to see what they can do this off-season and how the team looks next year with Halladay still as the ace. If things go south, trade him in his contract year.

[Dipre]

Is it really a win-win? Sure he keeps one of the best pitchers in baseball' date=' but for what? To finish fourth and allow Halladay to continue to keep aging into his mid-30's? It seems that in order to maximize his value he should trade him immediately or the offseason at the latest.[/quote']

 

With Halladay, the Jays could have one hell of a rotation since they have an actual rotation on the DL.

 

With that offense, a bullpen arm + their DL pitchers might vault them into contention.

[TheKilo]

I think players rarely qualify for the right to demand a trade, and many of the players who do qualify probably wouldn't have to chance to make the money that Halladay could if he became a free agent.

 

I think the fact that Halladay has the right to demand a trade has got to be a concern for any team that might be giving up years of scouting and development in prospects for what could be 2 months of one pitcher.

 

Not if he goes to a team like Philadelphia or St. Louis or LAA.

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The Mets are dead set on not trading Fernando Martinez.

I think they might think about moving him in the right deal, but with the other prospects Toronto was asking for this wasn't that deal. I know they love Niese and Tejada, and are pretty high on Parnell. I can't blame them for not making the deal, but Halladay would be a GREAT addition for them. Maybe they can revisit it and try and work something out. Doubtful though.