All that is Halladay

[Dojji]

how do you put a quote from this thread into your sig?

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[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Says the guy who's even worse than DipreG half the time.

 

Excuse me?

 

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[The_Destroyah]

Seriously' date=' take the homoerotic sexual tension to AG, the both of you.[/quote']

 

I found this sig worthy

[Dojji]

Just FWIW, I can't actually post in AG.

[TheKilo]

Yes you can, you just never registered for the forum.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Just FWIW' date=' I can't actually post in AG.[/quote']

User CP ---> Edit User Groups.

 

 

I think that's the way to do it.

[Cocos Disciples]

Unless I blocked Dojji from the forum.

 

I did not.

[CrespoBlows]

Team sources dismiss report that Buchholz' date=' Bowden, Westmoreland were offered for Halladay[/b']

 

Posted by David Lefort, Boston.com Staff July 28, 2009 05:56 PM

 

Sources from both the Red Sox and Blue Jays tonight denied to the Globe that Boston had offered pitchers Clay Buchholz and Michael Bowden and outfielder Ryan Westmoreland to Toronto for ace Roy Halladay, which had been reported this afternoon by Yahoo! Sports’s Gordon Edes.

 

Why would anyone believe the Red Sox FO on anything they say?

[CrespoBlows]

That difference is mostly in the eye of the beholder. If those guys had no value at all' date=' we wouldn't be paying their salaries.[/quote']

 

Kris Johnson.

[CrespoBlows]

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.... the f*** is that?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Not 100% sure.

[BoSox21]

a rat or a hamster, maybe a ramster

[WhiskeyBreath]

9:11pm: Gordon Edes at Yahoo has a pretty big update on the discussions. It appears the Red Sox have amped up their efforts to obtain the Doc, and they're willing to include Buchholz, one of Lars Anderson, Justin Masterson or Michael Bowden, and lesser prospects to fill out the rest of the offer.

 

Edes also reneges on his earlier report that Westmoreland had been part of a Red Sox proposal, and thinks that any reports about the Red Sox involving a third team to get a shortstop to Toronto are untrue.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

That really is a lot to give up. I'd only do it if he'd sign long term too. I can see him coming here ona trade like that and going somewhere for a s*** ton of money next year and the Red Sox look like retards

[SoxSport]

The Halladay push looks real. It's still 50/50 they'll deal him to the NL for less.

[TheKilo]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-tradebuzz072809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

The Boston Red Sox have offered at least three players, including no-hit pitcher Clay Buchholz(notes), to the Toronto Blue Jays for ace Roy Halladay(notes), according to sources with direct knowledge of the negotiations, while placing rookie reliever Daniel Bard(notes) and 19-year-old phenom Casey Kelly off-limits in any deal.

 

Contrary to a prior Yahoo! dispatch, another 19-year-old, outfielder Ryan Westmoreland, a Rhode Island product drafted on the fifth round last summer, has not been a part of the Red Sox proposal.

 

The Blue Jays have been given the choice of reliever Justin Masterson(notes), Triple-A pitcher Michael Bowden(notes), or Double-A first baseman Lars Anderson(notes) as the second player in the deal, with lesser prospects from the Red Sox system filling out the Boston offer. The Red Sox from the beginning have included Buchholz because the Blue Jays had made it clear he would have to be the starting point of any deal.

 

One source had suggested that the Red Sox might engage a third team that could provide a shortstop to Toronto, which is shopping Marco Scutaro(notes), but that does not appear to be the case.

[Keeper]

That's not an unfair offer from the Sox. And IMO I don't think they're giving up too much, either.

[Teddyballgame10]

I don't think it will be enough.

[The_Destroyah]

if we get another team in on it for a SS it will be enough...but whoever would give up the SS would have to be someone who isnt after halladay right? i mean why would Philly for example help us get Halladay?

[Rand0mTeam]

How about we trade

SP DiceK, RP Buchholz, P Michael Bowden, OF Ryan Westmoreland, 1B Chris Carter and SS Nick Green.

 

In Exchange For

 

SP Roy Halladay and SS Marco Scutaro.

 

They get 4 prospects a top 3 rotation pitcher (if he bounces back) and a ss to replace scutaro.

We get two major upgrades for the post season run.

[yankeessuck013]

How about we trade

SP DiceK, RP Buchholz, P Michael Bowden, OF Ryan Westmoreland, 1B Chris Carter and SS Nick Green.

 

In Exchange For

 

SP Roy Halladay and SS Marco Scutaro.

 

They get 4 prospects a top 3 rotation pitcher (if he bounces back) and a ss to replace scutaro.

We get two major upgrades for the post season run.

 

they dont want nick green and will not take on dice k's contract

[TedWilliams101]

How about we trade

SP DiceK, RP Buchholz, P Michael Bowden, OF Ryan Westmoreland, 1B Chris Carter and SS Nick Green.

 

In Exchange For

 

SP Roy Halladay and SS Marco Scutaro.

 

They get 4 prospects a top 3 rotation pitcher (if he bounces back) and a ss to replace scutaro.

We get two major upgrades for the post season run.

 

Why on Earth would Toronto want DiceK?

 

No, a more realistic proposal would be what was reported on: Buchholz, one of (Bowden, Masterson, Anderso), and lesser prospects. If they really need a SS to seal the deal, we give them Lowrie + a mid-level prospect and they give us Scutaro.

[Rand0mTeam]

Why on Earth would Toronto want DiceK?

 

probally wouldn't, unless they want to draw some international interest from asia. I just don't like the idea of adding Halladay without subtracting some salary. If we do get him then it's going to be hard to keep him from free agency because beckett will be a FA that year also.

[example1]

All of this is maddening. First, who knows what is true? This later report sounds more reasonable (Buchholz, Bowden/Masterson/Anderson, +, +) than Buchholz, Bowden and Westmoreland, but who the hell knows?

 

What does appear to be being reported is that the Sox are making legitimate (Buchholz + offers for Halladay), so they clearly covet him. Whether those represents the offer the Sox have made to Toronto, or some renewed, higher interest offer they recently made I don't know.

 

One thing I do know is that if this team moves forward with Bowden and Masterson (less Lars), or Masterson and Lars (less Bowden), or Bowden and Lars (less Masterson), they are in pretty good shape. I think any situation where they go into next year with Bowden or Masterson as their "project #5" pitcher would still be a perfectly suitable one.

[BSN07]

I'll have to admit. I don't want the Sox to deal Buchholz. But if they offer the package listed ^^ and Toronto excepted it, I would have a hard time not liking it. I think it might take more.

 

You can't trust these guys. Edes reneged on his 1st story in his 2nd story. What happens in tomorrow's story? Is all this BS and then he will come up with something new?

 

I think Toronto is leaking all this so Philly sweetens their offer. I really really don't believe Toronto wants to trade the face of their franchise to Boston. Unless absolutely forced to.

[BoSox21]

all you need to know is the final deal, if there is a deal, will look nothing like what's been rumored

[SoxSport]

I suspect the Jays are just sounding out what they can get for Halladay, and have used the media to create a frenzy. They know the consequences for any contending team to get him, so they are trolling with him to see if they can land a whale. If they can't, they won't deal him. Looks like a shark won't be enough. I think they'll push his value to the limit--and then deal him to the NL--or keep him. The Sox would be better off going after Lee. Cleveland will deal him to the AL.

 

For all the talk about Buchholz, he really hasn't shown very much at the major league level except for his no-hitter. I remember they shut him down after that. I still think he should have earned a spot in the rotation vis the bullpen instead of throwing him directly on the fire--which he hasn't handled very well. I don't know how all this affects his trade value, but I think he might be overvalued a bit. I would trade him for Lee in a minute. The deal Cleveland wants.

[witty_alias]

I think a Cliff Lee deal like it or not is way more feasible at this point. The Jays are going to want way more than what has been reported. It doesn't hurt to throw all those names at the Jays but to trade him in the divison is going to take a ton.

 

Simply put I want Halladay like everyone...but it's not going to happen.

 

I know some of us would be ok with Cliff Lee as a consolation prize of sorts and some of us would be pretty pissed.

[Looch Ness Monster]

I think a Cliff Lee deal like it or not is way more feasible at this point. The Jays are going to want way more than what has been reported. It doesn't hurt to throw all those names at the Jays but to trade him in the divison is going to take a ton.

 

Simply put I want Halladay like everyone...but it's not going to happen.

 

I know some of us would be ok with Cliff Lee as a consolation prize of sorts and some of us would be pretty pissed.

 

I think I would be pretty pissed because I think with Halladay you have a guy that you know is going to be a horse for you for the next two years AT LEAST and be able to step in the #2 starter role in the playoffs. With Cliff Lee, you're getting a guy who spent part of 2007 in the minors at 28 years old because he wasn't good enough and has had one good season. Outside of last season he's had a pretty mediocre career. He has a career ERA of 4.37 if you don't include his 2008 campaign..even then his career ERA is 4.01. One third of his career wins came last year and he's been a pro for 8 seasons.

 

And on top of all that he's going to cost likely 90% of what Halladay will cost. Absolutely not.

[P3dro1a15]

I think I would be pretty pissed because I think with Halladay you have a guy that you know is going to be a horse for you for the next two years AT LEAST and be able to step in the #2 starter role in the playoffs. With Cliff Lee, you're getting a guy who spent part of 2007 in the minors at 28 years old because he wasn't good enough and has had one good season. Outside of last season he's had a pretty mediocre career. He has a career ERA of 4.37 if you don't include his 2008 campaign..even then his career ERA is 4.01. One third of his career wins came last year and he's been a pro for 8 seasons.

 

And on top of all that he's going to cost likely 90% of what Halladay will cost. Absolutely not.

I would have to agree, we don't need Lee. He's nothing special IMO, yes he did win a Cy young but other than that his career has been average. I would love to see Halladay in a Red Sox uniform with Beckett Lester and Halladay as our 1 2 3 we would have the best rotation in the game along with a dominant bullpen if they get their act together or should i say when and the same goes for our offense, when they get their act together they are one of the top offenses in the game even without making a move. There really isn't a move out there worth making and passing up a chance at Halladay especial since we have Laroche and no one would be that huge of an upgrade except maybe Gonzales but that would mean no Halladay.

 

We obviously have to choose between a big name pitcher or hitter and i'd go with Halladay because eventually Bay will get his act together and the rest of the lineup will hit again.