Should Joba Chamberlain be suspended?

[TheKilo]

Simple question.

 

His embarrassing antics last night (the fist pumping, hopping around the mound, screaming "f***" after not getting a call) were bad enough.

 

But after three innings of supposed pinpoint control (aided by a generous zone), he walks Ortiz on a close pitch and then proceeds to hit Bay in the shoulder.

 

Beckett got 5 games for not hitting Bobby Abreu and making "aggressive actions" towards home plate.

 

Joba makes an embarrassment of himself on the mound and then hits Jason Bay.

 

Do you think he deserves a suspension?

[YanksHater213]

I said no.

 

I think he intentionally hit Bay, and definitely did more than Beckett did, but there really isn't any conclusive evidence in either case as to whether they did or not. I didn't support Beckett being suspended, and as much as I'd like to see the dickbag get suspended, I can't contradict myself.

[BoSox21]

what Beckett did was the catalyst for a bench-clearing incident. Joba shouldn't be suspended but like John Farrell said this morning on EEI, the Sox won't forget what happened when the teams meet again in June

[ORS]

I didn't think Beckett should have been, so, no. While I think he threw at Bay intentionally, there's no proof and it wasn't near the head.

 

It was interesting to see his little "performance" out there in a losing effort. I like it that their best raw talent youngster has the head of a 4 y/o on his shoulders when it comes to game situation awareness. I give Beckett a hard time for his million-dollar arm / ten-cent head tendancies, but Joba makes him look like Einstein.

[Cocos Disciples]

Agree with ORS-I didn't think Beckett should have been, so I don't think Joba should be.

[yankees228]

This is probably going to come off as me just defending the Yankees, but I really don't think he intentionally threw at Bay. As immature as Joba sometimes comes off when he is on the mound, I don't think, in a close game, he would jeopardize the Yankees chances of winning.

 

I've also reached this conclusion because there really isn't any motive in my opinion. He was angry at the umpire, not at any of the Red Sox hitters. I think his reputation is getting the best of him in this situation, but I think it's important to look at whether he had actual motive to intentionally throw at someone.

 

EDIT: And as for the pole, I didn't vote because I don't agree with either of the options.

[BoSox21]

This is probably going to come off as me just defending the Yankees' date=' but I really don't think he intentionally threw at Bay. As immature as Joba sometimes comes off when he is on the mound, I don't think, in a close game, he would jeopardize the Yankees chances of winning.[/quote']

 

Really? He had just given up a walk to Ortiz and in the midst of a run where he has pinpoint control, he drills the guy who took him deep in the first inning with a first pitch fastball in the ribs and you don't think it was intentional?

[yankees228]

Really? He had just given up a walk to Ortiz and in the midst of a run where he has pinpoint control' date=' he drills the guy who took him deep in the first inning with a first pitch fastball in the ribs and you don't think it was intentional?[/quote']

 

Where is the motive to hit someone? He was angry with the umpire...

[Cocos Disciples]

And because he can't hit the umpire, he took his frustration out on the batter. I really don't think there's any question it was on purpose. It was also square in the back--the prime place for intentional HBPs.

[yankees228]

And because he can't hit the umpire' date=' he took his frustration out on the batter. I really don't think there's any question it was on purpose. It was also square in the back--the prime place for intentional HBPs.[/quote']

 

I just don't really think that he would jeopardize the Yankees chances of winning, by putting a runner in scoring position. Again, I could be wrong, but I think Joba Chamberlain's number one priority is to win, and I just don't think he would give up a free base in that situation.

[BoSox21]

Where is the motive to hit someone? He was angry with the umpire...

 

Motive #1: Bay took Joba deep in the first inning.

 

Motive #2: Joba is a complete retard.

 

Motive #3: Girardi yelled to Tim Bogar when he thought he was stealing signs the night before: "you're going to get somebody hurt"

 

Maybe the thread should be adjusted to raise the question as to whether Girardi should be suspended...

[Keeper]

It was definitely intentional. But no, he shouldn't be suspended. ORS and Kilo are right, though. His antics on the mound in a losing effort are pretty embarrassing.

[Teddyballgame10]

I said no.

 

I think he intentionally hit Bay, and definitely did more than Beckett did, but there really isn't any conclusive evidence in either case as to whether they did or not. I didn't support Beckett being suspended, and as much as I'd like to see the dickbag get suspended, I can't contradict myself.

 

Yea there is no way he gets suspended, he should be but there is no evidence, Selig doesn't have the balls.

 

what Beckett did was the catalyst for a bench-clearing incident. Joba shouldn't be suspended but like John Farrell said this morning on EEI' date=' the Sox won't forget what happened when the teams meet again in June[/quote']

 

What did Farrell say?

 

Really? He had just given up a walk to Ortiz and in the midst of a run where he has pinpoint control' date=' he drills the guy who took him deep in the first inning with a first pitch fastball in the ribs and you don't think it was intentional?[/quote']

 

Joba is a f***ing pussy. When someone takes him deep or he's scared of someone he hits them. Same s*** with Youk, tries to scare them because he can't beat them. Enough with the strike out celebrations. You are f***ing losing and got lite up in the first inning what is there to celebrate? What an immature baby.

[Keeper]

Reminds me of Antonio Alfonsucka. He could blow a save and then strike someone out, and he'd be flailing his arms around like he was God's gift to relief pitchers.

[ORS]

Where is the motive to hit someone? He was angry with the umpire...

The motive is pretty clear if you look at Bay's split against Yankee pitching this year.

[BoSox21]

What did Farrell say?

 

"Well, typically, we let the game play out itself, because I think our guys, for one, have each others' backs and they're certainly going to be supportive if a situation like that were to arise. Again, speaking specifically about last night, [Chamberlain] strikes out 12 guys, doesn't seem to have too many command issues, and if there was a purpose or intent to throw up and in, or if the intent was even further than that, to send a clear-cut message, you can disguise it a little bit more than with a first-pitch pitch in the middle of the back to Jason Bay. So, those things aren't forgotten. We know that there's a history there between the pitcher in New York and our guys here, so, not to say that he was specifically out to do that, but I think history speaks for itself. And we've got a number of games left with these guys."

[Teddyballgame10]

The only way they can get back at him if he hits someone again and there is a brawl. If this happens I hope someone knocks his teeth out.

[rician blast]

Where is the motive to hit someone?

 

Jeez, good question. Probably a long shot, but it MIGHT be in the the following 2009 stat line vs. the Yankees:

 

10 for 18 (.556 avg.)

2 doubles

3 Hrs

10 RBIs

.667 OBP

1.167 Slg %

1.833 OPS

 

Hmm...yeah, you guys are right...what motivation?

[yankees228]

It's also about him not wanting to risk giving up further runs.

[BoSox21]

I'm not too sure Joba was confident in the ability of the Sox to drive in a run off him with Ortiz on 2nd at that point

[ORS]

It's also about him not wanting to risk giving up further runs.

Right, because if we are right, then it would mark the very first time a professional athlete acted on his own agenda in lieu of doing what was best for the outcome of the team/game....ever. How could we possibly think someone who has no qualms about showing up the umpire or other team, two things totally against the conventions of the sport, also lose situational awareness?

[MANNYHOF24]

It's also about him not wanting to risk giving up further runs.

 

PULLLLEASEEEEEE

[BoSox21]

stop being a Joba apologist, anyone with any knowledge of the game knows fatty threw at Bay on purpose

[Teddyballgame10]

It's also about him not wanting to risk giving up further runs.

 

Yea putting men on base is a great way to accomplish this.

[diony]

He should have been warned, that's for sure.

[yankees228]

Joba has a reputation for throwing near opposing player's heads, so then why didn't he do that in this situation if he was indeed throwing at Bay?

[castigs850]

you're a jackass

[a700hitter]

This is probably going to come off as me just defending the Yankees, but I really don't think he intentionally threw at Bay. As immature as Joba sometimes comes off when he is on the mound, I don't think, in a close game, he would jeopardize the Yankees chances of winning.

 

I've also reached this conclusion because there really isn't any motive in my opinion. He was angry at the umpire, not at any of the Red Sox hitters. I think his reputation is getting the best of him in this situation, but I think it's important to look at whether he had actual motive to intentionally throw at someone.

 

EDIT: And as for the pole, I didn't vote because I don't agree with either of the options.

You are ignoring some key facts. Joba is a giant douche from a mutant gene pool who was mentored by that major ******* Clemens.

[BoSox21]

Joba has a reputation for throwing near opposing player's heads' date=' so then why didn't he do that in this situation if he was indeed throwing at Bay?[/quote']

 

Cause for whatever reason, he has a dislike for Youkilis. I don't think he dislikes Bay but he damn sure wanted to make a point.

 

And now Lester's pissed...

 

“It’s one of those deals where I’m all for throwing in, but there comes a point somebody, whether it be baseball or the opponent, has to step in and say enough is enough,” said Sox hurler. “Balls have gone over guys heads and gone up too close. There’s a difference between throwing in and making a point and he definitely tries to make some points. I don’t know if he’s trying to him there or not, but he did and it looks bad because J-Bay did hit a home run off of him, along with the history with us and other players. He always come back and says the ball slipped, I wasn’t trying to hit anybody. One time you can fool us, two times you can maybe say OK, but it’s gotten old. In baseball it’s one of those deals where you can’t really think there’s a punishment necessary. It’s one of those deals where we might have to police it ourselves a little bit more, I don’t know.”

[jacksonianmarch]

You are ignoring some key facts. Joba is a giant douche from a mutant gene pool who was mentored by that major ******* Clemens.

 

I have no problem with that. I hope he stays a giant douche and continues to make at bats uncomfortable for the sox. If only he thought of throwing mid 90s cheese in the first, this would have been a yankee win.