Papi

[JShramek]

Am i the only one that thinks Papi is done..............?

[diony]

He's not done. But he shouldn't bat 3rd anymore.

[JShramek]

I have him about 6th right about now!!

[Dojji]

He started a little slow last year too. Patience is in order. Difficult when we're losing games I know.

 

If he still can't hit the ball in May then maybe you look to see what might be wrong.

[JShramek]

disappointing!!

[BSN07]

I have my worries about him. He should not be the 3rd hitter anymore regardless. He just isn't the hitter he was, and probably never will be. If things continue to slide in Boston, a major shake up in the linep could be in order. And if he doesn't like it too Fing bad, find someone other team that will let him bat 3rd. Don't get me wrong, love me some Papi, but no one is going to stick around forever, and if the team can get better so be it.

[TheKilo]

I said it in the GT, but:

 

Big Papi

RIP

2003-2007

[Dojji]

http://www.dls.ym.edu.tw/chudler/ppreflex.gif

[Gom]

I said it in the GT, but:

 

Big Papi

RIP

2003-2007

 

More like:

 

 

Big Papi

RIP PED's

2003-2007

[TheKilo]

You're slipping, that's a weak trolling effort.

[riverside sluggers]

Granted it was Manny in front of him, but Drew looked his best when he was batting 3rd

[Dojji]

Papi will get a little better when other players around him start having their hits find holes. Right now we have 4 players in severe BABIP doldrums -- Tek, Lowell, Ellsbury, Pedroia.

[ORS]

Papi will get a little better when other players around him start having their hits find holes. Right now we have 4 players in severe BABIP doldrums -- Tek' date=' Lowell, Ellsbury, Pedroia.[/quote']

Ortiz falls in this camp, too. He's hitting 26% line-drives with a BABIP of .227.

[das11209]

In terms of what is expected of him - he will never match it - though he will be a decent bat going forward. Everyone thought it was the injury last year - but he is healthy now. He was the best in his prime and his contributions will be cherished by the fans forever. For now - we should try to get Chris Carter some bats at DH.

[Dojji]

Really? Number I looked at said .250 BABIP. Not that that's very good either.

 

Anyway, not the point. Guys at the plate are doing their job and not getting rewarded with the proper result. At some point when things just aren't quite falling right despite the best your hitters can do you just have to let them take a mulligan.

[Dojji]

In terms of what is expected of him - he will never match it - though he will be a decent bat going forward. Everyone thought it was the injury last year - but he is healthy now. He was the best in his prime and his contributions will be cherished by the fans forever. For now - we should try to get Chris Carter some bats at DH.

 

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0918/pg2_over_nat_575.jpg

[das11209]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0918/pg2_over_nat_575.jpg

 

Dude - let me ask you something. Do you think he can repeat 2003-2007? Please say yes or no.

[BoSox21]

Dude - let me ask you something. Do you think he can repeat 2003-2007? Please say yes or no.

 

From 2003-2007, he averaged .301/.400 with 42 HRs and 128 RBIs. I dont think anyone can reasonably expect those numbers again after two significant injuries and losing Manny behind him. But he doesn't need to reproduce those numbers to be effective

[das11209]

But he doesn't need to reproduce those numbers to be effective

 

 

I am not sure since we have also lost Manny. He can still be a good player - but how would you account for that lost production? It is not like you have improved other offensive positions. To make it worse - the other teams in the division have improved their offense.

[Dojji]

I am not sure since we have also lost Manny. He can still be a good player - but how would you account for that lost production?

http://redsoxgirl46.mlblogs.com/Jason%20Bay%202.jpg

 

WHY do people just keep doing that? It's not like we traded Manny away for NOTHING.

[BoSox21]

I am not sure since we have also lost Manny. He can still be a good player - but how would you account for that lost production? It is not like you have improved other offensive positions. To make it worse - the other teams in the division have improved their offense.

 

You can't account for that lost production. Ortiz put up those numbers on offenses that rank among the greatest in recent history. You make up for the lost production by having improved pitching, which they do.

[mtbykr]

Maybe it's me, but to me he looks completely different at the plate now. From 03-07 he had a much deeper squat in his stance and seemed to drive the ball with his lower body.....now he seems to be higher in his stance and trying to compensate with more upper-body through the swing.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

He started a little slow last year too.

 

Yeah, and ended up with putting up his worst numbers since joining the team.

[TheKilo]

Maybe it's me' date=' but to me he looks completely different at the plate now. From 03-07 he had a much deeper squat in his stance and seemed to drive the ball with his lower body.....now he seems to be higher in his stance and trying to compensate with more upper-body through the swing.[/quote']

 

Yeah, he looks to me like his stance is much more upright and is cheating fastball - he seems to be having a tough time recognizing off-speed stuff.

 

That and his contact has none of the elevation we've come to expect from Ortiz.

[Gom]

Yeah, he looks to me like his stance is much more upright and is cheating fastball - he seems to be having a tough time recognizing off-speed stuff.

 

That and his contact has none of the elevation we've come to expect from Ortiz.

 

I haven't watched Ortiz yet, but if that's the point, then it's likely his knee is bothering him.

[das11209]

http://redsoxgirl46.mlblogs.com/Jason%20Bay%202.jpg

 

WHY do people just keep doing that? It's not like we traded Manny away for NOTHING.

 

Bay

 

Manny's time was up in Boston. But comparing him to Bay is not fair even to Bay. Manny might be the best right-handed hitter of our generation along with A-Rod and Pujols when all set and done.

[das11209]

You can't account for that lost production. Ortiz put up those numbers on offenses that rank among the greatest in recent history. You make up for the lost production by having improved pitching' date=' which they do.[/quote']

 

Not sure if we are going in circles here - but other team have also improved in pitching.

So just by making up in one department of the game is not going to cut it when other teams in the division are improving in all cylindars.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I agree that Bay absolutely pales in comparison to Manny. Its not like we gave Manny away, but Bay just isn't in the same universe.

[BoSox21]

Not sure if we are going in circles here - but other team have also improved in pitching.

So just by making up in one department of the game is not going to cut it when other teams in the division are improving in all cylindars.

 

Right but you have to understand that it's not very reasonable to expect the FO to put together offenses that rival the 03 and 04 teams and seeing as they can't, they've improved the club in other areas (ie. defense and pitching) to compensate for that.

 

You can't control the other teams in the division getting better, you can only control the team you put out there and it was pretty unanimous before the season started that the FO has put together a damn good team.

[mtbykr]

I remember a couple years ago Ortiz injured his legs (don't remember if it was a knee or what). He said he was healthy, but ever since then he hasn't been the same.