2009 Yankees Game Thread

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But if they do in fact plan on putting him in the pen for October, even if just for the ALDS where we only need 3 starters, then they should put him there now. And I'm so sick of them babying these pitchers with innings limits. Look what Nolan Ryan's doing in Texas, seems to be working pretty well. His arm isn't going to fall off if he goes 15-20 innings over his limit. Believe me, I understand the concern and why they're taking this approach, I think they just need to reassess their plans and maybe change the approach a little. He's not gonna succeed unless he pitches, and pitching 3 innings a start, and then going to the bullpen for 6 innings is just ridiculous. If he does indeed stay in the rotation in October, they've said there won't be any limits, but if he's only pitching 3-4 innings a start until then it's gonna be hard to stretch him out to the point where he can give us quality starts in October. Like I said, I understand the situation, I just think they're coddling him a little too much.

[yankees228]

It's better to be safe than sorry with Joba. If they feel the need to limit his innings then I really don't have an issue with it. I don't know a ton about pitchers and arm problems, but I think I've read a study about how a young pitcher should only increase his workload by thirty innings a year.

 

Jacko, I have a question about something that was discussed earlier in the year. Is Phil Hughes going to reach his innings plateau (I have no idea what it was, and I can't find it anywhere)?

[suns]

Honestly dude....you are dumb as s***. Seriously.

 

Those are the obstructed view seats. As you can see, there are TVs on the wall so that fans can follow what is happening due to the obstruction. No one sits in those seats except to rest for a few minutes. They all go on top of the restaurant and watch. Not a bad deal for five bucks. You get to sit and rest when tired, and walk around the stadium.

 

Seriously. You are dumb as s***.

 

Carry on.

 

Like i know yanekes stadium. :thumbdown:dunno:

[Imperial59]

Have you guys heard the legend of Yankee Jesus?

 

When Jeter was born the stars in the sky aligned in pinstripes that lead 3 wise baseball players to his house. First came Johnny Bench and he gave Jeter a "C" be be sewn on to his footie pajamas and said "I give you the gift of team leadership". Next came Joe Morgan and he gave Jeter a lifetime supply of Gillette razor blades and he said, "this is so you can keep silky smooth. You will be a great lady's man one day." And lastly came Pete Rose and he brought Jesus... I mean Jeter a wooden horse. And he said, "one day you will have more hits than the Iron Horse, but it will take you 500 more AB to do it, so I dub you The Wooden Horse."

 

Not sure why they were all Reds players, but that's the way the legend goes.

[Dipre]

Have you guys heard the legend of Yankee Jesus?

 

When Jeter was born the stars in the sky aligned in pinstripes that lead 3 wise baseball players to his house. First came Johnny Bench and he gave Jeter a "C" be be sewn on to his footie pajamas and said "I give you the gift of team leadership". Next came Joe Morgan and he gave Jeter a lifetime supply of Gillette razor blades and he said, "this is so you can keep silky smooth. You will be a great lady's man one day." And lastly came Pete Rose and he brought Jesus... I mean Jeter a wooden horse. And he said, "one day you will have more hits than the Iron Horse, but it will take you 500 more AB to do it, so I dub you The Wooden Horse."

 

Not sure why they were all Reds players, but that's the way the legend goes.

 

L-O-L-W-U-T?

[yankees228]

Honestly' date=' it's not that significant. The current record holder had the same amount of hits in something like 500 less AB before his career was affected by ALS. When Jeter breaks the record he'll be less than 50th all-time in hits in the majors and he won't even be a top 10 Yankees player all-time.[/quote']

 

If we're just talking about position players, can you name ten Yankees there were better than him?

[jacksonianmarch]

Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Berra, Ford.

[Dipre]

Ruth' date=' Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Berra, Ford.[/quote']

 

*Sigh*

 

If you're not gonna name the 10, doc, don't make a half-assed effort.

 

Finish the list plz!

[Imperial59]

If we're just talking about position players' date=' can you name ten Yankees there were better than him?[/quote']

 

I think I could name 10 better Yankees, even if we just limit it to position players.

 

1. Ruth

2. Gherig

3. Mantle

4. DiMaggio

5. Berra

6. Munson

7. A-Rod (he's gonna have at least 15 years on the Yankees)

8. Dickey (17 years with Yankees, 7 WS, .313/.382/.486 hitter as a catcher)

9. Combs (.325/.397/.462 hitter with the Yankees for over a decade)

10. Posada (has been around just as long, has all the same titles and a better OPS even though he's a catcher)

 

Plenty of other players could be up for debate as well. What about Don Mattingly, Charlie Keller, Bob Meusel?

 

If you include pitchers, he's certainly not a top 10 player with guys like Ford and Rivera.

[Dipre]

I think I could name 10 better Yankees, even if we just limit it to position players.

 

1. Ruth

2. Gherig

3. Mantle

4. DiMaggio

5. Berra

6. Munson

7. A-Rod (he's gonna have at least 15 years on the Yankees)

8. Dickey (17 years with Yankees, 7 WS, .313/.382/.486 hitter as a catcher)

9. Combs (.325/.397/.462 hitter with the Yankees for over a decade)

10. Posada (has been around just as long, has all the same titles and a better OPS even though he's a catcher)

 

Plenty of other players could be up for debate as well. What about Don Mattingly, Charlie Keller, Bob Meusel?

 

If you include pitchers, he's certainly not a top 10 player with guys like Ford and Rivera.

 

No to A-Rod, no to Posada.

[Gom]

I think I could name 10 better Yankees, even if we just limit it to position players.

 

1. Ruth

2. Gherig

3. Mantle

4. DiMaggio

5. Berra

6. Munson

7. A-Rod (he's gonna have at least 15 years on the Yankees)

8. Dickey (17 years with Yankees, 7 WS, .313/.382/.486 hitter as a catcher)

9. Combs (.325/.397/.462 hitter with the Yankees for over a decade)

10. Posada (has been around just as long, has all the same titles and a better OPS even though he's a catcher)

 

Plenty of other players could be up for debate as well. What about Don Mattingly, Charlie Keller, Bob Meusel?

 

If you include pitchers, he's certainly not a top 10 player with guys like Ford and Rivera.

 

I assume you mean Gehrig.

 

Not Munson. Didn't play long enough, and his offensive numbers weren't that great.

 

Not Combs. Stats are nearly the same, but Jeter did it at a tougher position and for longer.

 

Not Posada, as catchers tend to have better OPS's than Shortstops throughout history.

[Keeper]

Jeter is easily in the Top 10 among position players.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cmon now. Lets all be serious. It isnt all about OPS. Its the entire package. And only a very few players outshone Jeter in the total package.

[CrespoBlows]

Cmon now. Lets all be serious. It isnt all about OPS. Its the entire package. And only a very few players outshone Jeter in the total package.

 

Maybe not, because he was a horrible defensive shortstop.

[jacksonianmarch]

not initially, and not this yr. For a 3 yr span he was a statue

[Gom]

Maybe not' date=' because he was a horrible defensive shortstop.[/quote']

 

A great percentage of amazing hitters were terrible fielders.

 

Where would you put Ted Williams defensively? He's probably the greatest player the Red Sox ever had.

[Imperial59]

Cmon now. Lets all be serious. It isnt all about OPS. Its the entire package. And only a very few players outshone Jeter in the total package.

 

Aside from his notorious intangibles, what makes Jeter the total package? He's a singles hitter who plays bad defense at his position.

[Dipre]

Aside from his notorious intangibles' date=' what makes Jeter the total package? He's a singles hitter who plays bad defense at his position.[/quote']

 

*Sigh*.

 

Go ahead and name 3 Yankee SS's who were better than Jeter.

[Imperial59]

Not Combs. Stats are nearly the same' date=' but Jeter did it at a tougher position and for longer. [/quote']

 

If Jeter played good defense at short, I'd give him a bonus for being a shortstop, but he doesn't. Besides, centerfield is just as demanding and traditionally light hitting as shortstop. And unlike Jeter, Combs was great defensively. As the other poster said, if we're talking about the "total package", Combs was the better player.

 

Combs - .325/.397/.462, 12 years

Jeter - .317/.387/.459, 15 years

 

And if you include both pitchers and hitters, as was my initial premise, Jeter's not a top 10 Yankee.

[yankees228]

If Jeter played good defense at short, I'd give him a bonus for being a shortstop, but he doesn't. Besides, centerfield is just as demanding and traditionally light hitting as shortstop. And unlike Jeter, Combs was great defensively. As the other poster said, if we're talking about the "total package", Combs was the better player.

 

Combs - .325/.397/.462, 12 years

Jeter - .317/.387/.459, 15 years

 

And if you include both pitchers and hitters, as was my initial premise, Jeter's not a top 10 Yankee.

 

This isn't fair. How do you know how good a centerfielder Combs was? There are plenty of observers that will claim that Derek Jeter is an excellent defensive shortstop.

 

As for your list, A-Rod has not played here long enough. Jeter is better than Munson, and not just because of the years. Jeter's numbers, overall, are better.

[Optimist]

Jeter being one of the best Yankees of all time isn't an argument or an opinion, it's a fact. He's going to end his career with well more than 3000 hits, 4+ world series rings, a boatload of big hits and moments. By the time he's done he's going to lead the franchise in hits, stolen bases, games played. He's going to be in the top 5 when it comes to runs, doubles, total bases, batting average. And in the top 10 in HRs and RBIs (from a guy who's been a leadoff hitter for much of his career.) Not to mention the leadership he's offered as captain or how he's been the face of the decade for over a decade.

 

I dont know if it's just sour grapes or something, but it's almost nonsensical to say Jeter isn't one of the top 10 players to ever wear the pinstripes.

[yankees228]

Jeter being one of the best Yankees of all time isn't an argument or an opinion, it's a fact. He's going to end his career with well more than 3000 hits, 4+ world series rings, a boatload of big hits and moments. By the time he's done he's going to lead the franchise in hits, stolen bases, games played. He's going to be in the top 5 when it comes to runs, doubles, total bases, batting average. And in the top 10 in HRs and RBIs (from a guy who's been a leadoff hitter for much of his career.) Not to mention the leadership he's offered as captain or how he's been the face of the decade for over a decade.

 

I dont know if it's just sour grapes or something, but it's almost nonsensical to say Jeter isn't one of the top 10 players to ever wear the pinstripes.

 

It's actually an enjoyable debate, in my opinion, to compare him with other players of the past.

[Dipre]

It's actually an enjoyable debate' date=' in my opinion, to compare him with other players of the past.[/quote']

 

To which he compares favorably even without the positional standards argument.

 

You don't need to be a power hitter to be an offensive force.

[yankees228]

To which he compares favorably even without the positional standards argument.

 

You don't need to be a power hitter to be an offensive force.

 

Absolutely. I have him either sixth or seventh (between him and Bill Dickey).

[Optimist]

And he does it! Jeter now in sole possession of the franchise hit record! :thumbsup:

[The_Destroyah]

there you go, congrats to Jeter for breaking the record, if there is any Yankee that deserves it now its him, he is a class act and a player that any fan of baseball can respect.

[Dipre]

there you go' date=' congrats to Jeter for breaking the record, if there is any Yankee that deserves it now its him, he is a class act and a player that any fan of baseball can respect.[/quote']

 

Seconded.

 

Congrats Jeter!

[a700hitter]

f*** him. Yankee trash.

[Cocos Disciples]

What did Michael Kay say when he got the hit?

[The_Destroyah]

What did Michael Kay say when he got the hit?

 

JETER HIT IT! JETER HIT IT! JEEEEEEEEEEETTTER HIIIITTT IIIITTTT!!!!!