Ortiz not sure if he took steroids

[See Red]

I don't get it.

 

They are the winningest franchise in NFL History (now tied with Pittsburgh); have won 2 SBs. Have the ultimate record that will never be broken. Had the greatest pure passer of all time, bar none....

 

And umm...I'm just going to throw this out there...who won the AFC East in 08 again??:harhar:

 

 

Haha just messin.

 

Not to completely hi-jack this thread with Dolphins talk, but I don't know... outside of the year I lived in Florida (don't believe my listed location to the left, I'm back in Colorado now-a-days), I don't really come across many Dolphins fans. I'm sure they have tons of fans, more than most teams, but they seem kind of rare. :dunno:

 

... maybe people just don't like wearing aqua and orange.

[TedWilliams101]

This article is old. He was from the DR and just being honest and funny. I'm sure most (if not all) of the current players from the DR took supplements and protein shakes and couldn't tell you exactly what was in every single thing they ever took. I take this as it is; he has never knowingly taken steroids.

 

Anyways, his career certainly doesn't suggest steroid use. He didn't start to produce until he came to Boston, which was after they cracked down on steroid use. If anything, I think we should be giving him credit for being totally honest. I don't think a single other player would ever (unless found guilty) even suggest that they might have unknowingly took steroids.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

This article is relevant to nothing at this time. It is just an old story.

Uhhh yeah its relevant. There's a firestorm surrounding steroids right now, and the players who have done them. Ortiz is one of the most well-known players in baseball, and some people now have their eyes on him for possible steroid use. It doesn't matter that the story's from 07, it concerns the 03-06 time period.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Anyways' date=' his career certainly doesn't suggest steroid use. He didn't start to produce until he came to Boston, which was after they cracked down on steroid use.[/quote']

 

Because no one's been busted for steroids since 2003.

 

If anything, I think we should be giving him credit for being totally honest. I don't think a single other player would ever (unless found guilty) even suggest that they might have unknowingly took steroids.

 

Because it definitely isn't a perfect alibi for Ortiz in the event that he was juicing and people do find out.

[TedWilliams101]

Because no one's been busted for steroids since 2003.

 

We know all of the players who have tested positive since 2003, Ortiz isn't one of them. Yes, it is possible he was one of the players on that list from '03, but odds are that he isn't.

 

Because it definitely isn't a perfect alibi for Ortiz in the event that he was juicing and people do find out.

 

Yes, it could be a perfect Alibi, but I don't think it is. If he was a roider, I'm sure he would have consulted a lawyer/someone before suggesting that he ever used steroids. It was just a funny comment he said in response to a reporter asking him if he had ever used (steroids). It just doesn't make any sense that he purposely said that so he could use it as an alibi.

 

The fact is, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Ortiz took steroids. I am certainly not naive enough to believe he never unknowingly took steroids back in his youth in the DR, but honestly, who cares? We are talking about what he has done recently, not 10 years ago.

[Keeper]

We know all of the players who have tested positive since 2003

 

No, we don't. Not even close.

[jacksonianmarch]

they're all guilty. But as a fan of watching the game, I dont really care. Its the era we live in

[TheKilo]

We know all of the players who have tested positive since 2003, Ortiz isn't one of them. Yes, it is possible he was one of the players on that list from '03, but odds are that he isn't.

 

 

 

Yes, it could be a perfect Alibi, but I don't think it is. If he was a roider, I'm sure he would have consulted a lawyer/someone before suggesting that he ever used steroids. It was just a funny comment he said in response to a reporter asking him if he had ever used (steroids). It just doesn't make any sense that he purposely said that so he could use it as an alibi.

 

The fact is, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Ortiz took steroids. I am certainly not naive enough to believe he never unknowingly took steroids back in his youth in the DR, but honestly, who cares? We are talking about what he has done recently, not 10 years ago.

 

Hey man, where have you been?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you go back there?

[a700hitter]

Uhhh yeah its relevant. There's a firestorm surrounding steroids right now' date=' and the players who have done them.[/quote']The firestorm has been around ARod and the few idiots who have managed to get themselves in criminal trouble by perjuring themselves, e.g. Clemens, Bonds, Tejada. No one else is in the news for Roids.

Ortiz is one of the most well-known players in baseball' date=' and some people now have their eyes on him for possible steroid use.[/quote']Really? Who are those people that have their eyes on Ortiz? Good luck at trying to create suspicion by your own baseless rumor mongering

It doesn't matter that the story's from 07' date=' it concerns the 03-06 time period.[/quote']His statements concern his youth in the DR, not 2003-2006. I guess you missed that part of the article. The article is old news and irrelevant as are your posts in this thread.

[Dipre]

Ortiz' statement seems to have been done in complete honesty.

 

And living here in D.R, you don't know how it works around here, for some kids, it's sign or live in poverty, so they'll take whatever their trainer gives them without asking, and a lot of them will juice unknowingly, since they'll be told that it's "injected vitamin B complex", and when you're nearly homeless, you'd take cocaine up the ass to make it up the states, so they'll just do as they're told, no questions asked, and it think that's what Ortiz was referring to.

[Dojji]

Thank goodness we have someone who knows his **** and can set us straight.

[JimEdHOF2009]

Guilty. I can't wait to see how some of the sox fans who have relentlessly bashed the yankee orgnaization react to this. The way I look at it is that this is just another indication of just how rampant it was. Everyone was doing it.

 

But with that being said I hope this marks the end of all the talk about how we should be ashamed that our championship teams were comprised of Performance Enhanced players, because if not for Papi and his steroids there is no 2004 championship in Boston.

 

OK...let's assume Papi did juice..and it is a possibility....

 

Red Sox.... Papi

 

Yankees... Giambroid, A-roid, Pettite, Sheffroid, Clemens(obviously he took them after he sucked it up his last 2 seasons with Sox...proof is in the EPIC turnaround in his numbers).

 

I'd say the Yankees are still well up on the Sox...and that is IF Ortiz took them.

[schillingouttheks]

Why does this always have to turn into a Red Sox vs. Yankees thing? There's no doubt in my mind that's why this thread was started.

[yeszir]

Why does this always have to turn into a Red Sox vs. Yankees thing? There's no doubt in my mind that's why this thread was started.

 

:dunno: Its almost as if the two fan groups like hate each other or something

[schillingouttheks]

It's retarded. You'd think we could just focus on the issue instead of constantly turning it into a "but the Red Sox/Yankees might do it too!"

 

Whatev.

[Ray10]

Please explain to me how you don't know whether you took steroids or not I'm pretty sure you'd know what you're taking and what youre not taking.

[THE ARS]

Please explain to me how you don't know whether you took steroids or not I'm pretty sure you'd know what you're taking and what youre not taking.

 

Read this again, please.

 

 

"...And living here in D.R, you don't know how it works around here, for some kids, it's sign or live in poverty, so they'll take whatever their trainer gives them without asking, and a lot of them will juice unknowingly, since they'll be told that it's "injected vitamin B complex", and when you're nearly homeless, you'd take cocaine up the ass to make it up the states, so they'll just do as they're told, no questions asked, and it think that's what Ortiz was referring to." - DipreG

 

 

 

Tom

[Ray10]

Read this again, please.

 

 

"...And living here in D.R, you don't know how it works around here, for some kids, it's sign or live in poverty, so they'll take whatever their trainer gives them without asking, and a lot of them will juice unknowingly, since they'll be told that it's "injected vitamin B complex", and when you're nearly homeless, you'd take cocaine up the ass to make it up the states, so they'll just do as they're told, no questions asked, and it think that's what Ortiz was referring to." - DipreG

 

 

 

Tom

 

Ah ok.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Why does this always have to turn into a Red Sox vs. Yankees thing? There's no doubt in my mind that's why this thread was started.

Yes. That was my sole purpose in starting this thread. Are you psychic?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

The firestorm has been around ARod and the few idiots who have managed to get themselves in criminal trouble by perjuring themselves' date=' e.g. Clemens, Bonds, Tejada. No one else is in the news for Roids.[/quote']

 

Wow, I haven't heard any buzz about that 103 player list of unnamed (so far) who've tested positive for steroids.

 

Really? Who are those people that have their eyes on Ortiz? Good luck at trying to create suspicion by your own baseless rumor mongering

 

Any knowledgable baseball fan.

 

His statements concern his youth in the DR, not 2003-2006. I guess you missed that part of the article. The article is old news and irrelevant as are your posts in this thread.

 

Are you stupid or just in denial?

[BoSox21]

What proof do you have that he's taken steroids other than you laying in your bed at night trying to put two and two together?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

What proof do you have that he's taken steroids other than you laying in your bed at night trying to put two and two together?

What proof do we have about Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, for that matter?

[Dojji]

That is in fact irrelevant. We are talking about David Ortiz, not Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa.

[BoSox21]

What proof do we have about Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa' date=' for that matter?[/quote']

 

McGwire was accused by Canseco and by his own brother and has never denied using and Sosa was accused by Jason Grimsley as having at least used amphetamines.

 

Is there anything out there resembling those kinds of accusations against Ortiz?

[a700hitter]

What proof do we have about Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa' date=' for that matter?[/quote']Canseco stated quite clearly in his book that he injected McGwire. Also, did you forget, McGwire's little stunt where he refused to discuss steroid use at a Congressional hearing? As for Sosa, there is less evidence against him, but he did drop about 30 lbs in one off season after BALCO broke and had to resort to a new way of cheating-- caulked bats. In case you haven't noticed, Sosa is not under investigation and there isn't a lot of buzz about him these days, except from idiots in sports forums. No one is suspecting or investigating Ortiz, no matter how hard you are trying to smear him in your pathetic way.

 

It drives you crazy that so many Yankees have been outed as cheaters and liars and that HOF election may no longer be possible for some of them. It bothers you even more that no prominant Red Sox has been named or implicated. You are engaging in a desperate smear campaign that you are hoping people will notice. Maybe some Sox are on the list or maybe not. If they did it, they probably stopped after the 2003 season after the random testing and the BALCO hearing in the off season. Lots of guys went off the juice in that off season, like IRod, Giambi and Sosa (sneezed and went on the DL for a month). It doesn't matter to me, because there is no evidence anywhere that a single Red Sox player used PED s during the 2004 or 2007 seasons. The Red Sox championship clubhouse was clean compared to the crack den in the Yankee Championship clubhouses. The Yankees were universally praised for playing the game the right way, but they were cheating and doping up like common criminals while Joe Torre willingly turned to look the other way. The beloved, trusted father figure admits in his book that he should have known. That was among dozens of other revelations where the trusting father figure ratted out his players like a scandal sheet author. Your championships were tainted and sullied by a bunch of cheaters , thugs, crooks and phonies (Torre). Let's face it, the 1996 team featured two disgraced Mets who were serial drug policy violators who have never been able to get their lives on track.

 

Do I care if Nomar's name is on the list, or Troy O'Leary's? No , I don't. They never won anything for the Red Sox. Do I care if Trot's name is on the 2003 list? No, I do not, because the Sox won in 2004. Trot, obviously went off the juice in the 2003 off season, because he came to camp with a mystery ailment that kept him out of all but 48 games that season. He claimed that he got a knot in his buttocks on the drive to Ft. Myers. That developed into a back problem that kept him out till June. IMO, Manny's and Ortiz's names will not be on any list no matter how much you wish for it, because PED users usually don't have rolls of fat around their midsections which they both prominently displayed during the 2004 championship clubhouse celebration. Also, neither one of them had even one well-defined muscle.

[a700hitter]

By a700Hitter:

Really? Who are those people that have their eyes on Ortiz? Good luck at trying to create suspicion by your own baseless rumor mongering

 

 

Any knowledgable baseball fan.

Really? That's why you had to go back to 2007 for an article that discusses Ortiz on the same page as sterioids. It sounds like the press is all over this story.

Are you stupid or just in denial?

Neiter. I am just waiting for the disclosure of some fact or other evidence that would support your obviously biased and unsupported speculation.:thumbdown

[26 to 6]

OK...let's assume Papi did juice..and it is a possibility....

 

Red Sox.... Papi

 

Yankees... Giambroid, A-roid, Pettite, Sheffroid, Clemens(obviously he took them after he sucked it up his last 2 seasons with Sox...proof is in the EPIC turnaround in his numbers).

 

I'd say the Yankees are still well up on the Sox...and that is IF Ortiz took them.

Are you serious dude? OK, first off Papi, if he used, is not the only Red Sox player to have used steroids. I believe there were 12 in the Mitchell Report. And that's not counting those that we don't know about. It really isn't fair to compare the number of players when we don't know exactly who was using. And if the Sox fans want to make the argument, as they've done for years, that we don't win game 7 in 2003 without Giambi's steroid-enhanced bat, then it's only fair to say the same thing about games 4 and 5 in 2004. Let's be real here. I honestly can't say I'm shocked at some of the responses from you guys here in this thread.

[BoSox21]

And if the Sox fans want to make the argument' date=' as they've done for years, that we don't win game 7 in 2003 without Giambi's steroid-enhanced bat, then it's only fair to say the same thing about games 4 and 5 in 2004.[/quote']

 

Who on the 2004 Red Sox has been accused of taking PEDs?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Really? That's why you had to go back to 2007 for an article that discusses Ortiz on the same page as sterioids. It sounds like the press is all over this story.

 

Ho-ly s***. I didn't say anything about the press, I don't give a f*** about the press. The press kept touting as A-Rod as the future 'clean' home run king. f*** 'em. I said 'knowledgable fans'.

 

Neiter. I am just waiting for the disclosure of some fact or other evidence that would support your obviously biased and unsupported speculation.:thumbdown

 

Ding ding ding! That MUST be it, I'm biased against DAVID ORTIZ, ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLAYERS ON MY FAVORITE TEAM.

 

 

 

My god.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

That is in fact irrelevant. We are talking about David Ortiz' date=' not Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa.[/quote']

Well a700hitter is all about the big C word (conjecture), so I figured I'd show him that if thinking that Ortiz juiced is conjecture, because of the lack of proof, well then we don't have any cold hard proof for McGwire and Sosa, other than word of mouth.