Plan B

[26 to 6]

Do you play tennis 26 to 6?

Nope, not in the least.

 

I do like to watch Maria Sharapova play tennis though

[26 to 6]

I'm guessing that'd be the only love he scores on a regular basis

 

(sorry, the line was too much for me to resist)

Hilarious

 

 

...not!

[diony]

Yes, him, the dude with a law degree.

 

 

 

Which is definitely more than you can say for yourself.

 

Do you know him? Because I do.

[JimEdHOF2009]

as do most teams. I think the question is' date=' do you want to rely on them? I think the sox are trying to do enough on a 1 yr basis to shield them from being pressed into big league duty so they can get their innings up and get their stuff in order, confidence back, etc. I am just not sure that they did seeing as Smoltz is really a wing and a prayer to even take the mound and be effective. If you take his name off the list, then you're down to 5 guys with significant concerns. And if you remember, last yr we started with 2 guys we thought would be innings eaters in Wang and Pettitte and then had 3 durability concerns. Well, Moose proved us all wrong, Wang went down with a freak injury [b']and the other two durability cases proved to not be durable. And neither did the rest of the guys we brought in for that matter[/b]

 

And neither is Burnett..DURABLE that is. I love how you fixate on the Red Sox deficiencies while ignoring your own. You just paid $80 mill^ for a guy who misses plenty of starts AND seems to only perform when he is pitching for his contract....which he just got! Good luck with Burnett...he is a DOG.

 

Who is your 5th starter anyhow? You don't have one...and your minor league starters suck.

 

Speaking of someone exceeding their limits... Chamberlain pitchded 100 very strong innings last year... Are you sure he can give you 200+???

 

And what about your bullpen? Marte proved to be a worthless choker in the 2 months he spent in the putrid pinstripes. Rivera, Bruney, Coke(extremely small sample size) and pray for rain I guess?

 

Sure seems like you should be more concerned with the Yankees HOLES than the Red Sox 6th, 7th, and 8th options you f***ing tool.

[JimEdHOF2009]

Nope, not in the least. Why do you ask?

 

I do like to watch Maria Sharapova play tennis though

 

Why don't you change your screen name to 4 to 2... Or better yet, 1 to 2 as you were 11 in 2000.. That is the probably the only title you can remember..sport. You sound like a bandwagonning-ninny. You took the 1st team that was winning or had the most championships when you became a fan of baseball...like most Yankee fans.

[Cocos Disciples]

Oy, this again.

[Dojji]

http://www.lolcats.com/images/u/08/29/lolcatsdotcomzkenb713pnp2qynf.jpg

[Dipre]

Do you know him? Because I do.

 

It doesn't matter.

 

Your lack of coherence and emotional intelligence can easily be picked up over the internet, my 5-year-old minded friend.

[26 to 6]

Why don't you change your screen name to 4 to 2... Or better yet' date=' 1 to 2 as you were 11 in 2000.. That is the probably the only title you can remember..sport. You sound like a bandwagonning-ninny. You took the 1st team that was winning or had the most championships when you became a fan of baseball...like most Yankee fans.[/quote']

Why don't you suck my dick, you don't know s***. For someone with the standing you have on this board I wouldn't be out there questioning the fanhood of other, longer-tenured members.

 

And not that it matters any, I remember all 4 of the Championships in my lifetime. And I was a Yankee fan before we won any of the. I went to my first Yankee game in 1995, and have been hooked on the game and the Yankees since. I even had tickets to game 6 of the '96 ALCS, which was never played due to the Yankees clinching in 5, I even still have the tickets put away somewhere. Not that that's relevant. Loving the Yankees is a requirement in my family, ever since my great-grandparents settled in the Bronx after coming to this country. Through the good and the bad my family has always supported the Yankees, so don't blame me for when I was born and how that coincides with the Yankees success. So shut your mouth, and mind your s***. You don't know anything, so I don't wanna hear this bandwagon s***. If any team has developed a strong bandwagon following in recent years it's the Red Sox.

 

Who are you a fan of? Your user name and avatar don't exactly match up on the same sides.

[BSN07]

Why don't you suck my dick' date=' you don't know s***. For someone with the standing you have on this board I wouldn't be out there questioning the fanhood of other, longer-tenured members.[/quote']

 

I'm going to have to agree with 26 on this one. There is really no need to provoke the "Yankee" fans on the board.

[italstallianion]

Wow, it must be REALLY hard to get banned around here.....

[Cocos Disciples]

Who are you a fan of? Your user name and avatar don't exactly match up on the same sides.

 

I agree with you in general, but this post confuses me.

[26 to 6]

I agree with you in general' date=' but this post confuses me.[/quote']

Who is his username in reference to?

[JimEdHOF2009]

Who is his username in reference to?

 

Long tenured members? Is that supposed to mean something>? Just because you shat 5,000 hideous posts onto a message board means you are worthy of some sort of preferential treatment? What the hell are you doing on a Red Sox message board? Have you been disowned by even the filth of all fandom...Yankee fans?

 

I see many of you bragging about having more time here..who cares? I had 2K posts at SOSH before being banned for calling one of their mods a fat, elitist pig. He was.. It is MUCH harder to get a membership and STAY there. They ban you for putting up incorrect statistics so please spare me the "I am a LONG tenured member at SoxTalk"..

 

I am quite confident I have more baseball knowledge than anyone on this site. You can save the haughty attitude.

 

And again...your screen name is deceiving since you barely saw any of the titles and are bragging about teams you knew nothing about.

[italstallianion]

Long tenured members? Is that supposed to mean something>? Just because you shat 5,000 hideous posts onto a message board means you are worthy of some sort of preferential treatment? What the hell are you doing on a Red Sox message board? Have you been disowned by even the filth of all fandom...Yankee fans?

 

I see many of you bragging about having more time here..who cares? I had 2K posts at SOSH before being banned for calling one of their mods a fat, elitist pig. He was.. It is MUCH harder to get a membership and STAY there. They ban you for putting up incorrect statistics so please spare me the "I am a LONG tenured member at SoxTalk"..

 

I am quite confident I have more baseball knowledge than anyone on this site. You can save the haughty attitude.

And again...your screen name is deceiving since you barely saw any of the titles and are bragging about teams you knew nothing about.

 

 

 

 

Dude....you can't tell someone to save the haughty attitude after making a comment like that. Despite being greatly outnumbered here, we're not out to get you. There's a reason why you're outnumbered...

 

Oh, and for the record, I can totally relate on getting banned from a mediocre site because of going at it with a moderator...long story...

[example1]

I am quite confident I have more baseball knowledge than anyone on this site. You can save the haughty attitude.

 

Settle down man. You may or may not be more knowledgable, but until you know for sure you may want to just do your thing with some humility--especially if you're trying not to be haughty.

 

If you're knowledgeable then continue to prove it. I have no problem with you holding some of the Yankee fans' feet to the fire, but there's no point in dissing this site because it isn't SOSH.

 

I don't know about other people, but I found the arrogance of some of the posters at SOSH to be intolerable so I choose not to post there. I have no reason to think that my insight isn't 'on par' with that site, merely that this site encourages more discussion and back-and-forth, with fewer hawks calling people out for useless posts.

[JimEdHOF2009]

Dude....you can't tell someone to save the haughty attitude after making a comment like that. Despite being greatly outnumbered here, we're not out to get you. There's a reason why you're outnumbered...

 

Oh, and for the record, I can totally relate on getting banned from a mediocre site because of going at it with a moderator...long story...

 

Yeah..well SOSH is pretty much a bunch of elitist pigs..like I said. You get banned for saying things MODS don't agree with or don't deem "worthy" of MAIN BOARD material. To say the MODS and posters at SOSH have over-inflated egos is a colossal understatement. Having played and scouted professionally, I just couldn't take people who have never played the game past little league telling me the finer points of the game I love.. So, I told them exactly what I thought of them--knowing full well I would be banned. I came over here on recommendation from another former SoSH'er....He said the MODS let you say what you want.."within reason".. I feel everything I have said here is "within reason".

[italstallianion]

What does SOSH stand for? I'm pretty new to the Red Sox message board scheme--only posting here, ESPN, and that site I mentioned I got banned from.

 

Ditto on the elitist moderator thing. I'm not saying I was completely innocent, but if a moderator is going to instigate and dish it, he should be able to take it in return. Following posters around and instigating them and then banning them for eventually fighting back isn't cool...especially from a moderator.

 

I'm having a good time here at talksox though. Mods are definitely far more down to earth. Case and point, I don't even know who's a moderator and who isn't.

[JimEdHOF2009]

Settle down man. You may or may not be more knowledgable, but until you know for sure you may want to just do your thing with some humility--especially if you're trying not to be haughty.

 

If you're knowledgeable then continue to prove it. I have no problem with you holding some of the Yankee fans' feet to the fire, but there's no point in dissing this site because it isn't SOSH.

 

I don't know about other people, but I found the arrogance of some of the posters at SOSH to be intolerable so I choose not to post there. I have no reason to think that my insight isn't 'on par' with that site, merely that this site encourages more discussion and back-and-forth, with fewer hawks calling people out for useless posts.

 

Good point man. I didn't mean to dis this site...I actually prefer this setup over SoSH's.. I definitely prefer the crowd here. Look, when I start crap with Yankee fans..I am laughing as I type.. There is no malice meant by me.. I argue, shoot a little smack and it is all in good fun for me. I actually was cracking up during one of my spats with JAX..it was hilarious.. We both got some funny shots in.. Don't get me wrong, my opinions of Yankee fans and their delusional view of their team is legit... my hate for them is not.. I actually enjoy having Yankee fans at this site.. it will make this season much more enjoyable when the Yankees inevitably fail..again.

[example1]

Good point man. I didn't mean to dis this site...I actually prefer this setup over SoSH's.. I definitely prefer the crowd here. Look' date=' when I start crap with Yankee fans..I am laughing as I type.. There is no malice meant by me.. I argue, shoot a little smack and it is all in good fun for me. I actually was cracking up during one of my spats with JAX..it was hilarious.. We both got some funny shots in.. Don't get me wrong, my opinions of Yankee fans and their delusional view of their team is legit... my hate for them is not.. I actually enjoy having Yankee fans at this site.. it will make this season much more enjoyable when the Yankees inevitably fail..again.[/quote']

 

SOME Yankee fans (here, everywhere) are absurd, but some are great baseball fans. I would hate to be prejudged because of the team I root for. I'm sure there are a number of old Yankee fans saying "I wish the Yankees would just win without embarassing themselves with a +100% payroll over the league average", and I respect them. I know a 10 year old kid (my wife's cousin, actually) who lives in Manhattan and who has been arguing with me about the Yankees vs. Red Sox for about 4 years (since he was 6). That kid loves the Yankees. I have no problem with that--baseball is more fun if fans can argue about s***.

 

I'm glad you're here and I'm hopeful that you don't get banned due to incindiary trash talking before the season has even started. It's much easier to hide that stuff in a random Yankees gamethred in early May than it is to post it in "Plan B" in the midst of the offseason. Just sayin...

[JimEdHOF2009]

What does SOSH stand for? I'm pretty new to the Red Sox message board scheme--only posting here, ESPN, and that site I mentioned I got banned from.

 

Ditto on the elitist moderator thing. I'm not saying I was completely innocent, but if a moderator is going to instigate and dish it, he should be able to take it in return. Following posters around and instigating them and then banning them for eventually fighting back isn't cool...especially from a moderator.

 

I'm having a good time here at talksox though. Mods are definitely far more down to earth. Case and point, I don't even know who's a moderator and who isn't.

 

Sons of Sam Horn... They are the self-proclaimed KING of Red Sox message boards. The moderators average 350 lbs.. most are morbidly obese and they take their angst out on posters who mis-place commas, forget a period, or actually try to explain the game without using a montage of scatter-graphs and a 25 page manuscript depicting the hitting tendencies of Julio Lugo. I would rather just say he f***ing sucks and save the time of putting together all of that info for something that is blatantly obvious to anyone who has watched him play.

[italstallianion]

Sons of Sam Horn... They are the self-proclaimed KING of Red Sox message boards. The moderators average 350 lbs.. most are morbidly obese and they take their angst out on posters who mis-place commas' date=' forget a period, or actually try to explain the game without using a montage of scatter-graphs and a 25 page manuscript depicting the hitting tendencies of Julio Lugo. I would rather just say he f***ing sucks and save the time of putting together all of that info for something that is blatantly obvious to anyone who has watched him play.[/quote']

 

 

 

I checked out the site and only saw 1 thread, and it was a test one. I couldn't figure out that site at all....do they shut it down during the off season or something?

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yanks arent finished with their rotation. They still have one more spot to fill and if they dont, then I'll be a bit disappointed since we'd be relying on two kids with significant inning caps in the #4 and #5 slots. That means that our #6 starter (who is also a young kid) would get a lot of starts even before you go over the fragility issues of Burnett, Hughes and Joba. But they're still talking with Pettitte. He isnt fielding any other offers and which team really would offer him more than 10 mil for a season in this economy. I think there is a fit there and adding Andy would solve a ton of problems. He's not an ace anymore. But he's a guy i can reasonably expect to pitch 180-200+IP with an ERA under 5 and the yankees will win about 60% of the games he pitches. So I'm content with him in that 4 hole. That means Joba gets to be the standard #5, getting skipped every time there is an offday or a chance to do it and Hughes gets to have a few cups of coffee as the injury starter or as the IP cap relief when Joba is coming up against it at the end of the yr.

 

For me, 2009 will be successful from a pitching development standpoint if Hughes and Joba throw 150IP each and neither misses significant time. I'd rather they not both be in the rotation to do that because it leaves about 100IP open for Aceves, who right now is the #6.

 

As for the rest of the baiting and the arrogance, I wont get into it. There are a lot of people on this site with a ton of baseball knowledge, both as former players and as people who have invested a ton of time in the history and statistics of this game. Mostly on these messageboards, you get to see how to manuever an argument and how to use stats to back things up when needed. The idea that you should just throw out a ridiculous claim with no backing (like saying someone has more baseball knowledge, etc) is stupid since there is no way to quantify this and it only sparks inflammatory responses. And I wont sink to that level with this guy. He isnt worth my time

[Dojji]

http://www.sonsofsamhorn.net

[italstallianion]

Thanks dude...I was too myopic and thought it was a dot.com, which also brings me to a message board, albeit undeveloped.

[example1]

The Yanks arent finished with their rotation. They still have one more spot to fill and if they dont, then I'll be a bit disappointed since we'd be relying on two kids with significant inning caps in the #4 and #5 slots. That means that our #6 starter (who is also a young kid) would get a lot of starts even before you go over the fragility issues of Burnett, Hughes and Joba. But they're still talking with Pettitte. He isnt fielding any other offers and which team really would offer him more than 10 mil for a season in this economy. I think there is a fit there and adding Andy would solve a ton of problems. He's not an ace anymore. But he's a guy i can reasonably expect to pitch 180-200+IP with an ERA under 5 and the yankees will win about 60% of the games he pitches. So I'm content with him in that 4 hole. That means Joba gets to be the standard #5, getting skipped every time there is an offday or a chance to do it and Hughes gets to have a few cups of coffee as the injury starter or as the IP cap relief when Joba is coming up against it at the end of the yr.

 

Do you love the idea of Joba in the rotation? It seems to me like the Yankees would be best served with him as the set-up man and eventually work his way into a closer role. It reminds me a lot of the Sox situation with Papelbon, when they thought he would be a valuable starter but ended up keeping him in the pen. Joba is a tremendous talent with a great head on his shoulders. If they're worried about his durability it seems like he would be best used in the pen, where their depth seems a bit weak anyway. Use him in high leverage situations, because the leverage in innings 1-5 usually isn't as high and can be handled by a more 'average' pitcher. He will make up much of the value he loses with fewer innings if he is literally winning games for them in the 7th and 8th innings of close games.

 

Sabathia

Wang

Burnett

Pettitte

Hughes/??/

 

That to me seems like it should be the rotation. There is no doubt that Hughes is a SP, and you and I have (historically) agreed that Hughes should be a tremendous starter. Keeping him on the bench of in AAA doesn't do much for his trade value or his development and confidence as a Yankee. He was 'ready' to start in 07 and going into 08, so proving himself at AAA seems like a waste of his talent. Let him start, let him work his s*** out in the #5 hole and if needed have the offense carry him.

[JimEdHOF2009]

The Yanks arent finished with their rotation. They still have one more spot to fill and if they dont, then I'll be a bit disappointed since we'd be relying on two kids with significant inning caps in the #4 and #5 slots. That means that our #6 starter (who is also a young kid) would get a lot of starts even before you go over the fragility issues of Burnett, Hughes and Joba. But they're still talking with Pettitte. He isnt fielding any other offers and which team really would offer him more than 10 mil for a season in this economy. I think there is a fit there and adding Andy would solve a ton of problems. He's not an ace anymore. But he's a guy i can reasonably expect to pitch 180-200+IP with an ERA under 5 and the yankees will win about 60% of the games he pitches. So I'm content with him in that 4 hole. That means Joba gets to be the standard #5, getting skipped every time there is an offday or a chance to do it and Hughes gets to have a few cups of coffee as the injury starter or as the IP cap relief when Joba is coming up against it at the end of the yr.

 

For me, 2009 will be successful from a pitching development standpoint if Hughes and Joba throw 150IP each and neither misses significant time. I'd rather they not both be in the rotation to do that because it leaves about 100IP open for Aceves, who right now is the #6.

 

As for the rest of the baiting and the arrogance, I wont get into it. There are a lot of people on this site with a ton of baseball knowledge, both as former players and as people who have invested a ton of time in the history and statistics of this game. Mostly on these messageboards, you get to see how to manuever an argument and how to use stats to back things up when needed. The idea that you should just throw out a ridiculous claim with no backing (like saying someone has more baseball knowledge, etc) is stupid since there is no way to quantify this and it only sparks inflammatory responses. And I wont sink to that level with this guy. He isnt worth my time

 

Well..we agree on something..

[example1]

Well..we agree on something..

 

I find it best to get frustrated with Jacksonian in batches, and then to let it go before getting too heated. He loves the Yankees, which is absolutely a mistake, but I can't critique his passion. He's also a good poster around here. Hopefully you guys can carry your disagreements into the actual baseball season. It's much more fun to argue s*** on the field.

[JimEdHOF2009]

Do you love the idea of Joba in the rotation? It seems to me like the Yankees would be best served with him as the set-up man and eventually work his way into a closer role. It reminds me a lot of the Sox situation with Papelbon, when they thought he would be a valuable starter but ended up keeping him in the pen. Joba is a tremendous talent with a great head on his shoulders. If they're worried about his durability it seems like he would be best used in the pen, where their depth seems a bit weak anyway. Use him in high leverage situations, because the leverage in innings 1-5 usually isn't as high and can be handled by a more 'average' pitcher. He will make up much of the value he loses with fewer innings if he is literally winning games for them in the 7th and 8th innings of close games.

 

Sabathia

Wang

Burnett

Pettitte

Hughes/??/

 

That to me seems like it should be the rotation. There is no doubt that Hughes is a SP, and you and I have (historically) agreed that Hughes should be a tremendous starter. Keeping him on the bench of in AAA doesn't do much for his trade value or his development and confidence as a Yankee. He was 'ready' to start in 07 and going into 08, so proving himself at AAA seems like a waste of his talent. Let him start, let him work his s*** out in the #5 hole and if needed have the offense carry him.

 

Through 106 IP in the Major Leagues, Wonderboy Hughes has been horrific. He has shown nothing of his dazzling minor league stuff in the bigs. Perhaps, just perhaps he is just a tad overrated? I don't know how anyone can be sure Hughes will be a TREMENDOUS starter when all indications, so far, point to Hughes not being able to get Major League hitters out on consistent basis...much like Clay Buchholz. As an aside..Clay has better stuff.

[Cocos Disciples]

Who is his username in reference to?

 

Jim Rice, and his avatar is Josh Beckett.