How will Red Sox finish the offseason?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Just was reading on SI that the Red Sox made a play for Hanley Ramirez.

 

That would really change things up....what would they give up? Obviously Jed Lowrie...maybe Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard?

 

Hard to say because Ramirez is one of the best in the league....not to mention his big money doesn't kick in for a few more years.

[example1]

The article said they are 'happy' with Jed Lowrie and would want to use Ramirez in CF. Hmmm, I don't get that. I would say move Lowrie, Buchholz and just about any other prospect the Marlins want.

 

They want Ellsbury, but I think Hanley is most valuable at SS and moving him to CF sounds like an unnecessary adventure.

 

If the Sox had another CF option then I would be open to moving Ellsbury.

[Cocos Disciples]

Talks have ended. Florida has Maybin but I guess they would have moved Ellsbury to a corner OF spot, maybe later moving Hermida to make room for Mike Stanton.

[naptownsoxfan]

I don't get Hanley Ramirez in center...I do get him at short though.

 

Give the Fish any prospects they might want other than Lars of course.

[example1]

Talks have ended. Florida has Maybin but I guess they would have moved Ellsbury to a corner OF spot' date=' maybe later moving Hermida to make room for Mike Stanton.[/quote']

 

The Marlins were said to be most interested in a center fielder, and discussions apparently centered on Boston's promising youngster Jacoby Ellsbury, talented pitching prospect Clay Buchholz and others in a package for Ramirez, who began in Boston's organization.

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah I read the MLBTR blurb and edited my post.

[Cocos Disciples]

I don't get Hanley Ramirez in center...I do get him at short though.

 

Give the Fish any prospects they might want other than Lars of course.

 

He was rumored to possibly move to CF when he was in Boston, I think because of Pedroia and Lowrie. He's not a good shortstop.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Even though the talks didn't get anywhere...I love seeing the Red Sox front office explore everything no matter how valuable a player is on his current team.

[example1]

Even though the talks didn't get anywhere...I love seeing the Red Sox front office explore everything no matter how valuable a player is on his current team.

 

Me too. I hope they re-explore this deal, as Hanley would be a great addition to this team with his current contract. I just don't love the idea of him in CF.

[BSN07]

Let me first start by saying. I realize this is a semi pipe dream, but it makes for good conversation.

 

 

I really like Jacoby and rather see them trade Lowrie and use Hanley at SS. But Hanley is in another stratosphere, so I wouldn't say no to moving Jacoby.

 

I'd hate to see them trade the farm, but Hanley is a big time bat. So if it took 3 or 4 top prospects plus maybe some lower level guys I would do it. Besides being as good as he is, he is really cheap over the next 5 years or so.

 

I don't like that it went public though. That's all the Sox need is for the Yanks to hear Florida is willing to listen to offers for Ramirez. (as I say this, I'm placing my toil foil hat on more securely LOL)

 

 

 

 

 

Considering Florida had a legit CF prospect in Maybin it might be easier keeping Ellsbury.

 

A package(s) of

 

Lowrie/Buchholz/Hadagone/OF prospect(Reddick/Kalish/Westmoreland) + maybe a lower level pitcher/position player/ or maybe one of our average Catching prospects since Florida is thin at Catcher and probably doesn't want to add on a bloated over the hill veterans salary.

 

If they want Ellsbury, I would try something like

 

Ellsbury/Bowden/Hadagone/Kottraras +the lower level prospect.

 

 

Alamnzar could be attractive to a Florida team as well.

 

He will cost alot, but Hanley is one of those players it might be worth giving up alot for.

[BSN07]

Given the teams willingness to move Lowell, could Hanley be considered a 3B option? Philly was said to be interested in Lowell, and they where shopping a failry good SS prospect around as well. Trade Lowell to Philly for SS prospect, use that prospect in place of Lowrie in the package I mentioned before.

 

CF Ellsbury

2B Pedroia

3B Hanley

DH Ortiz

LF Bay

RF Drew

1B Youk

C ________

SS Lowrie

 

 

That be a nice lineup:D

[Cocos Disciples]

I think they would want more than that. This guy's a top five player in MLB and is making league minimum for the next few years.

[BSN07]

I think they would want more than that. This guy's a top five player in MLB and is making league minimum for the next few years.

 

I agree he will be more expensive. Just throwing packages together for speculation sake. But 5 cost controlled high prospects would be tempting to a small market team in times of financial crisis.

 

I also think with his new deal, he is above the league minimum now.

 

09:$5.5M, 10:$7M, 11:$11M, 12:$15M, 13:$15.5M, 14:$16M

[Cocos Disciples]

Oh right, he signed an extension, good call. So he's still controlled for six years at a good rate.

[Paradisecity]

At a good rate for us- he's controlled at a good rate for the Marlins for 2 more years...

[BSN07]

Just throwing this out there, but LAD have said ti be shopping Andruw Jones. Iknow he has been horrible the last couple seasons, but if LAD is picking up a sizeable portion of his remaining contract(I think it's 22M, and LAD was rumored to be picking up 20M of that in a swap with NYM).

 

I mean, he is capable of all 3 OF positions, he is a RH hitter with some pop. That wouldn't seem to be too bad coming off the bench.

 

I'm just trying to think outside the Box here.

[Cocos Disciples]

Yes, I was saying good rate relative to his production.

[Cocos Disciples]

Just throwing this out there, but LAD have said ti be shopping Andruw Jones. Iknow he has been horrible the last couple seasons, but if LAD is picking up a sizeable portion of his remaining contract(I think it's 22M, and LAD was rumored to be picking up 20M of that in a swap with NYM).

 

I mean, he is capable of all 3 OF positions, he is a RH hitter with some pop. That wouldn't seem to be too bad coming off the bench.

 

I'm just trying to think outside the Box here.

 

Olney had talked about a Andruw Jones for Luis Castillo trade, still may happen. Would they really eat 20/22?

[BSN07]

At a good rate for us- he's controlled at a good rate for the Marlins for 2 more years...

 

I was going to mention this.

 

 

I think the Sox should go in hard and heavy before any other team sniffs around.

 

Buchholz/Hadagone+3(too many players to mention could fit this spot in the trade) is a very very solid deal.

[BSN07]

Olney had talked about a Andruw Jones for Luis Castillo trade' date=' still may happen. Would they really eat 20/22?[/quote']

 

They have a surplus in the OF, and Jones is the only one with 1 year left on his deal. Pierre I think has 2 years left. And there not going to trade Either, or Kemp. So i guess if they where motivated to move him they could eat that much. I agree it does seem to be alot of $ too eat to just move him. But if they picked up 14M+ I think it would be worth a flier. The Sox are plenty under there cap(or so i would guess), that they could absorb 8M or so.

[Cocos Disciples]

I guess I'm interested if we can't get Byrnes with Montero.

[BSN07]

I was just reading the Olney article on rotoworld, and he's owed 15M this season. If LA picked up 10 of that, he might be worth a flier.

[BSN07]

I guess I'm interested if we can't get Byrnes with Montero.

 

I agree, I'd be more interested in this move since it fills 2 holes. But if it doesn't pan out, Jones isn't a bad fall back for a 4th OF.

[Dojji]

Andruw Jones?

 

*barfs!*

 

I guess I can see kicking the tires on him. It's hard to imagine a guy who was once on par with Torii Hunter and Vernon Wells as the ultimate centerfield troika falling so far. But the guy has fallen off a cliff and if you believe the rumors he's ignoring all the coaches. He was all the headache of Manny with none of the production last year for the Dodgers. No thanks.

[BSN07]

Andruw Jones?

 

*barfs!*

 

I guess I can see kicking the tires on him. It's hard to imagine a guy who was once on par with Torii Hunter and Vernon Wells as the ultimate centerfield troika falling so far. But the guy has fallen off a cliff and if you believe the rumors he's ignoring all the coaches. He was all the headache of Manny with none of the production last year for the Dodgers. No thanks.

 

He doesn't like LA.

 

And yes he would need to listen to Sox hitting coaches. Eventually he's going to get that if he doesn't adjust he is done as a player in the ML's. Hopefully he would come to that understanding and be a decent 4th OF.

[Dipre]

They have a surplus in the OF' date=' and Jones is the only one with 1 year left on his deal. Pierre I think has 2 years left. And there not going to trade Either, or Kemp. So i guess if they where motivated to move him they could eat that much. I agree it does seem to be alot of $ too eat to just move him. But if they picked up 14M+ I think it would be worth a flier. The Sox are plenty under there cap(or so i would guess), that they could absorb 8M or so.[/quote']

 

Jones has been absolutely HORRIBLE in the DWL, he's out of shape, his swing is f***ed up, an he looks like Adam Dunn in the OF.

 

So i'd go ahead and say no to Jones.

[BSN07]

Jones has been absolutely HORRIBLE in the DWL, he's out of shape, his swing is f***ed up, an he looks like Adam Dunn in the OF.

 

So i'd go ahead and say no to Jones.

 

Sounds to me like he's got some motivation issues. Too bad he was a good player. Maybe an atmosphere might recharge his battery's so to speak. But I inderstand any critisism aquiring Jones brings.

[naptownsoxfan]

Andruw Jones?

 

*barfs!*

 

I guess I can see kicking the tires on him. It's hard to imagine a guy who was once on par with Torii Hunter and Vernon Wells as the ultimate centerfield troika falling so far. But the guy has fallen off a cliff and if you believe the rumors he's ignoring all the coaches. He was all the headache of Manny with none of the production last year for the Dodgers. No thanks.

 

Good call

Manny incarnate (minus the production)...no thanks on Jones

[BoSox21]

the Mets have offered Derek Lowe 3 years, $36 million

 

does this not seem like a fight the Red Sox should join?

[MANNYHOF24]

the Mets have offered Derek Lowe 3 years, $36 million

 

does this not seem like a fight the Red Sox should join?

 

I would not mind giving D lowe 3-45. Honestly, we can really afford it right now, and that would make our rotation damn good. I also think that would get it done, because Lowe has stated several times that he would prefer to come back to the Red Sox.