Yankees still in the Tex and Manny sweeps

[jacksonianmarch]

The Sox were second in OPS, third in Runs Scored,first in OBP, fourth in XBH and they didn't hit?

 

Lowell and Papi injured, guess that's Epstein's fault too, right?

 

And even without them, the Red Sox had arguably (considering all factors) the most balanced offense in the Majors last year.

 

They got on base, hit for power, played the fundamentals and stole a ton of bases, meaning that by all accounts the Red Sox were in the top echelon in terms of offense last year, rendering your argument moot.

 

And also showing why the FO's MO works better than any knee-jerk reaction ideas any of us might have, but hey, i only got facts and stats to back me up.

 

IF THEO DINT SHANK PAPI IN DA WRIST AND IF HE DIDNT HIT LOWELL IN DA HIP WITH A TIREIRON WE"D BE CAMPS!!

[cobra24]

Jesus Christ let it go. Theo is a good GM' date=' and that's coming from a Yankee fan.[/quote']

 

I think you mean GREAT!!!

[Dipre]

Jon Heyman agrees with my take on Epstein:

 

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Who is the best general manager in baseball?

 

Normally that's a tough call, but not this year. There's one fellow who stands out, only one GM whose team has won two World Series championships in the last four years after failing to win even one World Series for 85 straight years.

 

OK, so it doesn't take a sabremetrician to see it all adds up for Red Sox GM Theo Epstein, an easy choice for my first Best GM in the Game award.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/02/18/heyman.bestGMs/index.html

 

So the people who get paid to write about sports (although they aren't always very bright, i usually agree with Heyman's POVs because he's as objective as sportswriters can be IMHO).

 

So i guess Epstein's approach to build for the long term is viewed favorably by people who actually work in the industry.

[pinstripezac]

Jon Heyman agrees with my take on Epstein:

 

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so you think theo is the best GM ?

 

I have no problem with that

 

but he is also the luckiest GM

 

 

 

 

love your avitor

[rician blast]

so you think theo is the best GM ?

 

I have no problem with that

 

but he is also the luckiest GM

 

 

 

 

love your avitor

 

 

Great first post, seeing as there is no way to go but up from here. Nicely done...set the bar low from the outset.

 

"avitor"...right.

[pinstripezac]

but he is also the luckiest GM

 

Great first post, seeing as there is no way to go but up from here. Nicely done...set the bar low from the outset.

 

 

what's the problem you don't see it

 

or just can't admit it ?

 

 

"avitor"...right.

 

oh jeez another wantabee english teacher from RSN

do you know how shallow one seems talking about spelling on a BB board

 

 

jeez I give the guy a complament and .........

[riverside sluggers]

MLB.COM Yankees hard after Tex... This will be over soon. Now I guess it's Lowe or bust.

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[rician blast]

but he is also the luckiest GM

 

what's the problem you don't see it

 

or just can't admit it ?

 

 

 

[/color]

 

OK, genius, I apologize.

 

So enlighten us as to how he is so lucky?

[ORS]

but he is also the luckiest GM

 

Great first post, seeing as there is no way to go but up from here. Nicely done...set the bar low from the outset.

 

 

what's the problem you don't see it

 

or just can't admit it ?

I'll bite, why is he the luckiest?

 

 

"avitor"...right.

 

oh jeez another wantabee english teacher from RSN

do you know how shallow one seems talking about spelling on a BB board

 

 

jeez I give the guy a complament and .........

Grammar and spelling are the presentation of your thought in this medium. If you aren't serious about presenting it properly, why should we be serious about what it says?

[pinstripezac]

why is he the luckiest?

 

 

where should I start?

 

in 04 when he offered nomar a 4 yr deal and nomar turned it down

 

pedro a 3 yr deal

 

contreaus turning his offer down

 

pavano turning his offer down

 

ortiz ? one could expect he would do better in boston but not that good

 

 

 

 

no big deal I said he was one of the best

 

 

 

Grammar and spelling are the presentation of your thought in this medium. If you aren't serious about presenting it properly, why should we be serious about what it says?

 

 

dude it's a BB board, as long as we understand it doesn't matter

 

 

I mean if you aren't smart enough to be able to understand what I'm saying

 

how can I expect you to be smart enough to understand the context of the post ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Olny srmat poelpe can.

 

 

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was

rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a

rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr

the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the

frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl

mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae

the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as

a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was

ipmorantt!

[rician blast]

So you're saying that he dodged some bullets by guys not accepting some offers and by a guy exceeding expectations?

 

Some truth to that I suppose. The win with Ortiz, though, I think shows good scouting by the Sox scouts, not luck.

 

With regards to Pedro, I kind of think that the 3 yr offer was made deliberately below what he could get on the market, so that if it was big $$ he sought, he wouldn't sign, yet they'd have made a reasonable offer that if accepted wouldn't handcuff the organization long-term.

 

Nomar...I actually agree...Nomar and his agent's greed were a blessing in disguise.

[pinstripezac]

Some truth to that I suppose.

 

I'll settle for that

 

 

The win with Ortiz, though, I think shows good scouting by the Sox scouts, not luck.

 

how about , bill james, pedro suggesting it, and some luck

 

 

I can't beleive rice is not in the HOF yet

 

I figured all the tainted stats of the 90's would help his case

 

I hope he gets in soon

 

so we don't have to listen to him on nesn anymore ;-)

[Gom]

Actually, they were looking to trade Ortiz when he got hot.

 

Luck is part of it. No question about it.

[26 to 6]

I think you mean GREAT!!!

Well I wasn't gonna go that far, but you can say that if you'd like.

 

 

Oh, and pintripezac, you're a clown. Please go elsewhere with your s***-brown words, because all they represent to me is s***. If you can't have the decency to present your thought in a coherant manner, I really have no interest in reading what you have to say.

[ORS]

why is he the luckiest?

 

 

where should I start?

 

in 04 when he offered nomar a 4 yr deal and nomar turned it down

 

pedro a 3 yr deal

 

contreaus turning his offer down

 

pavano turning his offer down

 

ortiz ? one could expect he would do better in boston but not that good

 

 

 

 

no big deal I said he was one of the best

All of those players are good players that were desirable to more than just the Sox at the time of their signings, yet they only ended up on one team. Every team interested in those players was every bit as lucky as the Red Sox. Was there some good fortune involved? Yeah, but not for one team only.

 

If the standard is that a recognition of undervalued talent, such as Ortiz, constitutes luck, then, again, the title "lucky" isn't exclusive to Theo Epstein.

 

 

 

Grammar and spelling are the presentation of your thought in this medium. If you aren't serious about presenting it properly, why should we be serious about what it says?

 

 

dude it's a BB board, as long as we understand it doesn't matter

 

 

I mean if you aren't smart enough to be able to understand what I'm saying

 

how can I expect you to be smart enough to understand the context of the post ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Olny srmat poelpe can.

 

 

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was

rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a

rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr

the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the

frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl

mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae

the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as

a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was

ipmorantt!

Nice attempt to dodge my point. Whether or not it can but understood through the capability of the human mind is not relevant to what I said. It is your opinion that basic understanding is the only criteria that need be met. I, and many others here including the moderating team, prefer a bit more.

[pinstripezac]

Oh' date=' and pintripezac, you're a clown. Please go elsewhere with your s***-brown words, because all they represent to me is s***. If you can't have the decency to present your thought in a coherant manner, I really have no interest in reading what you have to say.[/quote']

 

 

 

 

 

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[pinstripezac]

All of those players are good players that were desirable to more than just the Sox at the time of their signings, yet they only ended up on one team. Every team interested in those players was every bit as lucky as the Red Sox. Was there some good fortune involved? Yeah, but not for one team only.

 

 

talking about a '' Nice attempt to dodge my point ''

 

nomar, pedro and pavano ended up on 3 different teams

 

If you can't acknowledge that theo was lucky they turned his offers down

 

than that says more about you than anything else

[Dipre]

Correct grammar is important.

 

It enhances your credibility.

 

It shows your respect for others if you take the time to spell-check.

 

It demonstrates that you have the necessary intellect to present coherent ideas.

 

So its importance is not overrated, as you state.

[ORS]

If you can't acknowledge that theo was lucky they turned his offers down

 

than that says more about you than anything else

All of those players are good players that were desirable to more than just the Sox at the time of their signings, yet they only ended up on one team. Every team interested in those players was every bit as lucky as the Red Sox. Was there some good fortune involved? Yeah, but not for one team only.

Swing and a miss. Can't read either, huh?

[TheKilo]

All of those players are good players that were desirable to more than just the Sox at the time of their signings, yet they only ended up on one team. Every team interested in those players was every bit as lucky as the Red Sox. Was there some good fortune involved? Yeah, but not for one team only.

 

 

talking about a '' Nice attempt to dodge my point ''

 

nomar, pedro and pavano ended up on 3 different teams

 

If you can't acknowledge that theo was lucky they turned his offers down

 

than that says more about you than anything else

 

lol quote function is hard

[pinstripezac]

Correct grammar is important.

 

It enhances your credibility.

 

so is this where I'm suppose to say English is my 2nd language ?

 

 

It shows your respect for others if you take the time to spell-check.

 

point taken

 

It demonstrates that you have the necessary intellect to present coherent ideas.

 

I disagree there is a difference between

 

book sense, common sense and knowing baseball

 

 

So its importance is not overrated, as you state.

 

I stand corrected

 

 

 

 

 

at least as far as you guys go

 

 

be careful now

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/gth0403l.jpg

[Dipre]

Correct grammar is important.

 

It enhances your credibility.

 

so is this where I'm suppose to say English is my 2nd language ?

 

 

It shows your respect for others if you take the time to spell-check.

 

point taken

 

It demonstrates that you have the necessary intellect to present coherent ideas.

 

I disagree there is a difference between

 

book sense, common sense and knowing baseball

 

 

So its importance is not overrated, as you state.

 

I stand corrected

 

 

 

 

 

at least as far as you guys go

 

 

be careful now

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/gth0403l.jpg

 

 

Just so you know, english is my 2nd language as well, so that is no excuse.

[pinstripezac]

Swing and a miss. Can't read either' date=' huh?[/quote']

 

Every team interested in those players was every bit as lucky as the Red Sox. Was there some good fortune involved? Yeah, but not for one team only.

 

 

that is neither accurate or the same as saying theo was lucky

 

no other teams made that offer to nomar

 

I'm not positve about pedro

 

he had the highest bid for pavano

 

and then this

 

 

The Red Sox wanted Contreras so badly after he defected from Cuba that general manager Theo Epstein reportedly bought up every room at a hotel so no other teams could get near him or his agent. But Contreras wanted to be a Yankee

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/9593624/from/RL.4/

 

I believe that's when larry called us the evil empire

[pinstripezac]

Just so you know, english is my 2nd language as well, so that is no excuse.

 

Just so you know, english is NOT my 2nd language

 

but proper spelling and grammar has no connection to baseball knowledge

[26 to 6]

but proper spelling and grammar has no connection to baseball knowledge

Which you seem to be lacking in. Now hey, I could be wrong, but if you took the time to write like a person and actually display this baseball knowledge in a clear, concise, coherent manner maybe I would take your posts more seriously. Based on the things you say, the way you write, and your s***-brown words (you couldnt choose a better color?) my impression of you thus far is that you're a dim-witted 13 year old punk who likes the Yankees because it's the cool thing to do. Hopefully I'm wrong, but you've given me no indication otherwise just yet.

 

Seriously, we're not trying to come down on you or be dicks, but if you want people here to take you seriously there's a certain way you need to carry yourself. Otherwise you won't last very wrong.

[pinstripezac]

you call yourself 26 -6

 

and you are telling me how to act on a red sox board

 

 

LOL

 

 

I was complimenting the guy on his aviator and misspelled it

 

get over it, and yourself

 

 

who likes the Yankees because it's the cool thing to do

 

 

LOL yeah that's been such and easy thing to be the last few yrs

 

maybe one should question your baseball knowledge

[ORS]

that is neither accurate or the same as saying theo was lucky

 

no other teams made that offer to nomar

 

I'm not positve about pedro

 

he had the highest bid for pavano

You are woefully missing the point. Every team that did not sign Nomar, Pedro, and Pavano, regardless of what the magnitude of their budget for said player was, every team that missed out, turned out to have had good fortune there. The Red Sox fall in that group, so yes, it is the same as saying Theo was lucky. It also recognizes that all other non-signing participants were lucky too.

[ORS]

I was complimenting the guy on his aviator and misspelled it

Dude, nice aviator, what do you think of mine?

 

http://www.kennedyorangebowlcar.com/images/charles_lindberg_plane.jpg

[26 to 6]

you call yourself 26 -6

 

and you are telling me how to act on a red sox board

 

 

LOL

 

 

I was complimenting the guy on his aviator and misspelled it

 

get over it, and yourself

 

 

who likes the Yankees because it's the cool thing to do

 

 

LOL yeah that's been such and easy thing to be the last few yrs

 

maybe one should question your baseball knowledge

Say what you want about me and my username, but I've been posting here since 2005 with relatively no issues. You're here a day and you're questioning my baseball knowledge and whatnot? Why don't you go look through my 5000+ posts before you come question what I know. I could school you on baseball in my f***ing sleep. You can't even f***ing spell. Why don't you build up some credibility and show us some of the baseball knowledge you claim to have before you start attacking others. Either that or go crawl back under that bridge you came from.

 

And it's f***ing AVATAR...dimwit.

 

I'm typically of the belief that here on talksox us Yankee fans have to stick together, but you're making that difficult for me right now.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

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