SABATHIA TO JOIN YANKEES

[Dipre]

I can't wait wait until the first SABATHIA BEATS RED SOX thread/headline...

 

 

 

...when I misread it as SABATHIA EATS RED SOX

 

Classic humor........

 

Keep them coming, sir.

[donniebaseball]

Really sounds like CC has you guys concerned

 

So what the guy is fat, got nothing to do with his ability.

[diony]

Really sounds like CC has you guys concerned

 

So what the guy is fat, got nothing to do with his ability.

 

It has to do with his ability to stay healthy for 7 years.

 

Don't worry they're just jealous because CC >>>>> Beckett, Lester, Dice-K and the rest of their crappy rotation.

[Dipre]

It has to do with his ability to stay healthy for 7 years.

 

Don't worry they're just jealous because CC >>>>> Beckett, Lester, Dice-K and the rest of their crappy rotation.

 

Yes, it's true, we're jealous because he could eat our whole rotation.

[TheKilo]

Very jealous of the Yankees outbidding themselves by $20 million and their competition by $45-$60 million.

[pinstripezac]

Very jealous of the Yankees outbidding themselves by $20 million and their competition by $45-$60 million.

 

yeah we much rather have our FO fly down to meet him and come home

 

empty handed with that sticker shock look

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii262/pinstripezac/baras-1.jpg

[ORS]

It has to do with his ability to stay healthy for 7 years.

 

Don't worry they're just jealous because CC >>>>> Beckett, Lester, Dice-K and the rest of their crappy rotation.

Is this what we get when you aren't pretending to be intelligent about statistics, silly schoolyard taunts?

 

Yeah, we're very jealous you've picked up one of the bigger goats from the last two Octobers. Yeah, we're shaking because you picked up the guy our best pitcher put in his back pocket when he wasn't pitching injured. Yeah, we're worried about your assessment of our rotation when they are all wearing rings, due in large part to your guy s***ing all over himself when the chips were down. Oooh, scary.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

It has to do with his ability to stay healthy for 7 years.

 

Don't worry they're just jealous because CC >>>>> Beckett, Lester, Dice-K and the rest of their crappy rotation.

 

Seriously, GTFO. I swear, since you've started posting, you've managed to shave 15 points off of each member's I.Q.. Go to nyyfans or something. Go play with the like-minded people with the same swelled mindset about your precious Yankees and your morbidly obese ace who will probably put the nearest BK out of business.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Really sounds like CC has you guys concerned

 

So what the guy is fat, got nothing to do with his ability.

What's to be concerned about?

 

 

Boston's top 3 >>>> Yankees top 3.

[riverside sluggers]

The crappy rotation lol, yea they're among the league's worst. Overblown Yankee fandom at its best

[Dipre]

And some wonder why i have a beef to pick with the guy.

 

Comments like that sully the good name of this board!

[pinstripezac]

What's to be concerned about?

 

 

Boston's top 3 >>>> Yankees top 3.

 

cc, wang, aj vs becket, lester dmatt

 

who do I like better ?

 

it depends, if we are talking head to head, or in the PO

 

I'd give boston the edge ( I must respect thefact they have done it )

 

but for the 162 I'd go with nyy

 

and depending on what Tbay does this yr the 162 might be more important

 

 

 

you guys have to be concern over the amount of innings lester pitched last yr

[Dipre]

cc, wang, aj vs becket, lester dmatt

 

who do I like better ?

 

it depends, if we are talking head to head, or in the PO

 

I'd give boston the edge ( I must respect thefact they have done it )

 

but for the 162 I'd go with nyy

 

and depending on what Tbay does this yr the 162 might be more important

 

 

 

you guys have to be concern over the amount of innings lester pitched last yr

 

He actually makes a good point about Lester, since his jump in IP would theoretically make him susceptible to the "year-after" effect.

 

But i guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[riverside sluggers]

Every single rotation has their own questions

 

Yanks

CC must prove he can actually pitch in the playoffs

Burnett is good, IF HEALTHY

Wang is coming off an injury marred year

Joba has never endured a full season in the rotation

Hughes must prove himself in the majors

 

Boston

Will we see the 07 Beckett or 08?

Lester pitching a career high in innings

Matsuzaka. He got by despite leading the league with 94 walks. Also gave up just 12 HRs in 167.2 innings. Will the free passes catch up to him?

Penny- Shoulder concerns. He could be a #3 or he could be what Wade Miller was for us

Wakefield- Almost lock for 10-15 wins, 4-4.5ish ERA, roughly 175 innings. But he has been wearing down at the end of the last 3 seasons

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

cc, wang, aj vs becket, lester dmatt

 

who do I like better ?

 

it depends, if we are talking head to head, or in the PO

 

I'd give boston the edge ( I must respect thefact they have done it )

 

but for the 162 I'd go with nyy

 

and depending on what Tbay does this yr the 162 might be more important

 

Why NYY for the 162? CC's all set to at least have some arm fatigue before season's end, Burnout makes 20 starts a year when he's not in line for the big pay day.

 

Either way, I'm still expecting the Yankees and Red Sox to be the two best in the AL East.

 

 

you guys have to be concern over the amount of innings lester pitched last yr

 

Lester's innings - 210

 

CC's innings - 253

[Cocos Disciples]

Lester's innings - 210

 

CC's innings - 253

 

You also have to look at the jump from the previous season. CC threw 241 in 2007, not including playoffs. Lester had never thrown 200+ in a season (not just MLB).

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

You also have to look at the jump from the previous season. CC threw 241 in 2007' date=' not including playoffs. Lester had never thrown 200+ in a season (not just MLB).[/quote']

 

So CC's thrown 500 innings in two seasons? Color me confident.

[ORS]

You also have to look at the jump from the previous season. CC threw 241 in 2007' date=' not including playoffs. Lester had never thrown 200+ in a season (not just MLB).[/quote']

Yeah, but CC jumped about 50 IP from '06 to '07 with little sign of fatigue in '08. Lester's jump was 57 IP. Lester only endured that jump due to his condition diagnosed in '06. Neither of these guys has shown reason for concern re: durability, and until they do, neither fan base should be concerned about it.

[donniebaseball]

Is this what we get when you aren't pretending to be intelligent about statistics, silly schoolyard taunts?

 

Yeah, we're very jealous you've picked up one of the bigger goats from the last two Octobers. Yeah, we're shaking because you picked up the guy our best pitcher put in his back pocket when he wasn't pitching injured. Yeah, we're worried about your assessment of our rotation when they are all wearing rings, due in large part to your guy s***ing all over himself when the chips were down. Oooh, scary.

 

Silly schoolyard taunts? You guys just dedicated a s*** ton of posts about how fat the guy is...what do you call that?

 

Diony stated a opinion...I guess the word crappy threw you into a tizzy.

[donniebaseball]

Seriously' date=' GTFO. I swear, since you've started posting, you've managed to shave 15 points off of each member's I.Q.. Go to nyyfans or something. Go play with the like-minded people with the same swelled mindset about your precious Yankees and your morbidly obese ace who will probably put the nearest BK out of business.[/quote']

 

The anger...this is intelligent baseball talk?

[ORS]

Silly schoolyard taunts? You guys just dedicated a s*** ton of posts about how fat the guy is...what do you call that?

 

Diony stated a opinion...I guess the word crappy threw you into a tizzy.

Awww, it's cute how you get all butthurt over your buddy. You guys have a long future together from what I see here, lots of love to go around.

[donniebaseball]

Awww' date=' it's cute how you get all butthurt over your buddy. You guys have a long future together from what I see here, lots of love to go around.[/quote']

 

Don't bother me just think it was stupid on your part...thats all.

[pinstripezac]

Why NYY for the 162? CC's all set to at least have some arm fatigue before season's end' date=' Burnout makes 20 starts a year when he's not in line for the big pay day. [/quote']

 

why the 162 ? because I think innings pitched is one of the most important stats for a starter durring the season

 

seeing how wangs injury had nothing to do with pitching if I use his normal 200 for last yr

 

there is a big difference for your BP to make up

 

dmatt 167 cc 250

beck 174 aj 221

lester 210 wang 200

 

total 551 670

 

 

 

I understand your burnett comment must have been fun to type

 

I have NP with that as long as you understand he has pitched over 200 innings more

 

times than beckett, dmat or lester has

 

 

 

Either way, I'm still expecting the Yankees and Red Sox to be the two best in the AL East.

 

 

agreed

 

Lester's innings - 210

 

CC's innings - 253

 

 

I see the others have explained the difference

 

 

this might help

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_verducci/02/05/verducci.YAE/index.html

 

Why can't they throw 200 innings? Simply put, they're not conditioned for it yet. It's like training for a marathon. You need to build stamina incrementally. The unofficial industry standard is that no young pitcher should throw more than 30 more innings than he did the previous season. It's a general rule of thumb, and one I've been tracking for about a decade. When teams violate the incremental safeguard, it's amazing how often they pay for it.

 

Pitchers generally feel the effects of abusive increases in workload the next year, not the season in which they were pushed. In other words, you might be able to finish that marathon for which you didn't properly train, but your body will have hell to pay for it. I call it the Year After Effect.

 

Here's the way I track it: Find major league pitchers 25-and-under who broke the 30-inning rule. In some cases a pitcher's innings the previous season may have been artificially depressed, such as by injury, so I'll use his professional high for the baseline, or, in the case of a recent draftee like Kennedy, his college workload. All innings count (minors, majors, postseason).

 

In 2005 and '06 I found 17 pitchers I defined as at-risk of the YAE. None made it through the next year without an injury or a higher ERA. Ten of them broke down, the most seriously hurt being Francisco Liriano, Gustavo Chacin, Adam Loewen, Scott Mathieson and Anibel Sanchez. Eleven of them had worse ERAs, by an average of about a run and a half. Remember, it's a general rule; there are exceptions, the superlative Justin Verlander being one.

[ORS]

Don't bother me just think it was stupid on your part...thats all.

Yeah, and you ignored the part that prefaced the comment you quoted. That part might make someone who's been here a bit longer than two days think there's some history in our interaction. Since you couldn't put two and two together, I'll give you the background.

 

Diony is like every Yankee fan that joins here. Hellbent on telling us how awesome the Yankees will be and how awful the Red Sox will be going into the new season. Only he likes to couch his behind some statistical cliches that he clearly doesn't know that much about. I've been exposing his fraud, and when you strip away the window dressing, his posting is nothing more than, "My team is better than your team, neener, neener, neener".

 

I don't care that his posts were in response to Sox fans poking fun at Sabathia's weight. I would expect Sox fans to have a little fun at the expense of the Yankees on a Sox forum. This is the place for it.

[pinstripezac]

So CC's thrown 500 innings in two seasons? Color me confident.

 

 

actually that's what makes me sleep a little better at night

 

 

knowing that will not be the case this yr and he won't be throwing on short rest in sept

 

allows me to think that had an effect on his PO performances and think

 

that he should do better next time

 

but yeah I think he might have a slow start,

 

but the yanks will protect him a lot more than he was the last 2 yrs

[a700hitter]

actually that's what makes me sleep a little better at night

 

 

knowing that will not be the case this yr and he won't be throwing on short rest in sept

 

allows me to think that had an effect on his PO performances and think

 

that he should do better next time

 

but yeah I think he might have a slow start,

 

but the yanks will protect him a lot more than he was the last 2 yrs

Enjoy the rest of the Winter. Like the Yankee fans on this forum in 2008, I predict you will all be scarce on this forum at the end of August. I am confident that your boob of a manager will help this enormously expensive team to underperform. Last year he took away their candy and ice cream. Will he take away cake and cookies this season? How will C.C. (aka Chocolate Cake) Sabbathia feel about that?

[pinstripezac]

Enjoy the rest of the Winter. Like the Yankee fans on this forum in 2008' date=' I predict you will all be scarce on this forum at the end of August. I am confident that your boob of a manager will help this enormously expensive team to underperform. Last year he took away their candy and ice cream. Will he take away cake and cookies this season? How will C.C. (aka Chocolate Cake) Sabbathia feel about that?[/quote']

 

 

 

your preaching to the choir on that one

 

little joe might be gone before me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii262/pinstripezac/candy.jpg

[a700hitter]

I like that. Very funny.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

why the 162 ? because I think innings pitched is one of the most important stats for a starter durring the season

 

seeing how wangs injury had nothing to do with pitching if I use his normal 200 for last yr

 

there is a big difference for your BP to make up

 

dmatt 167 cc 250

beck 174 aj 221

lester 210 wang 200

 

total 551 670

 

 

An improved BP at that.

 

 

I understand your burnett comment must have been fun to type

 

I have NP with that as long as you understand he has pitched over 200 innings more

 

times than beckett, dmat or lester has

 

Well, considering Dice-K and Lester have two full years of MLB service between them, and Beckett threw over 200 in 06 and 07 before his rough year last year... can't say that bothers me too much.

 

 

Why can't they throw 200 innings? Simply put, they're not conditioned for it yet. It's like training for a marathon. You need to build stamina incrementally. The unofficial industry standard is that no young pitcher should throw more than 30 more innings than he did the previous season. It's a general rule of thumb, and one I've been tracking for about a decade. When teams violate the incremental safeguard, it's amazing how often they pay for it.

 

The Red Sox aren't going to beat the s*** out of Lester this season. Aren't they known for having a system to deal with these guys?

[diony]

Awww' date=' it's cute how you get all butthurt over your buddy. You guys have a long future together from what I see here, lots of love to go around.[/quote']

 

That's a "silly schoolyard taunt", good job hypocrite. :thumbsup: