If the Phillies can make up 7 games in 2 weeks..

[ARod2212]

Can't the Yankees make up 6 games in 6 weeks?

 

I'm as close to off the bus as you can get, but this is not impossible. We've still got 6 games head to head with Boston, 6 head to head with Tampa. Hughes is back in a week. Joba is going to throw soon. We've got the Royals, Jays and Orioles the next week and a half.

 

They've got to start winning now, but it's not impossible. If situational hitting improves, they'll be miles better. It was only a few weeks ago they were on an 8 game winning streak.

[Cocos Disciples]

I doubt anyone's saying it's impossible. Odds aren't in your favor though.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Yeah, Hughes is back! If he brings back the pitching he gave the team in the beginning of the season, it'll open a whole new world to the Yankees!

 

Oh, wait...

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Wait a minute... 6 games?

[26 to 6]

We have a healthy Phil Hughes coming back. I'd expect something more along the lines of the Phil Hughes we saw last September, as opposed to the Hughes of April.

 

Agreed, It's not impossible, and certainly with the level of talent on this team the idea is very plausible, but I'm so fed up and discouraged by this team, it makes me sick.

 

But we'll see..

[Youk Of The Nation]

Oh and the Orioles lead the season series 7 games to 5.

[msubulldogs21]

Wait a minute... 6 games?

 

He's referring to the WC, not the AL East. They're actually 6 1/2 back now with the Sox win tonight.

[ARod2212]

Yeah, Hughes is back! If he brings back the pitching he gave the team in the beginning of the season, it'll open a whole new world to the Yankees!

 

Oh, wait...

Or if he's throwing 95 like he was in his last minor league start, he'll be like he was in the playoffs last year.

 

Wait a minute... 6 games?

 

51 losses to 57

 

Oh and the Orioles lead the season series 7 games to 5.

 

And if the Yankees play like they have all season, it won't matter. My point is they are clearly capable of playing better, and teams like Baltimore are ones they have to beat.

[TheKilo]

The difficulty is the Phillies only had to overtake the Mets last season whereas the Yankees have to overtake the Sox and/or one of the Twins/White Sox. Possibly the Rays, too.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Plus, in case anyone forgot, the Phillies play in the National League.

[Optimist]

Make up 7 games in two weeks? Can this team manage to win that many games in one month?

[ARod2212]

I'll take 7 runs in 2 weeks at this point. f*** this team.

[a700hitter]

I'll take 7 runs in 2 weeks at this point. f*** this team.

At what point will you give me credit for the accuracy of my statements used in your signature. I stated those things quite early in the season.

[ARod2212]

At what point will you give me credit for the accuracy of my statements used in your signature. I stated those things quite early in the season.

It's funny, I actually took them out and then saw your reply. The Girardi quote was pretty early on, but the 'Yankees suck' quote was right before their 8 game winning streak 3 weeks ago.

 

I'm so furious right now with the team it's just stupid.

 

I don't think Girardi is a stupid or bad manager in the least. So I don't agree with that part.

 

The team is not performing to where they should. They're going to score 700+ runs this year when they were supposed to score 900+. Rodriguez, Jeter, Abreu and Cano having the worst years of their career. Matsui, Posada, and Chien Ming Wang (the guy who won 38 games from '06-'07) missed just about the whole season. Hughes has been hurt and Kennedy is not ready to pitch in the majors. The only things that have gone right for them is Mussina, Rivera, Damon and up until 2 weeks ago, Chamberlain.

 

The healthy players are not producing the way their history says they should. That's not on Girardi or Cashman. The injured players have almost exclusively been dumb luck, save maybe Posada. Also not on Girardi or Cashman.

 

All of that was venting more than anything else, so disregard it if you'd like. I needed to get something off my chest.

 

 

The Yankees definitely have one more run in them, maybe 2. I'd like to see it happen before it's too late.

 

(And by run I mean winning surge, not crossing home plate once, although I can see how that can definitely be misconstrued.)

[a700hitter]

I don't think Girardi is a stupid or bad manager in the least. So I don't agree with that part.

You should be upset, because he was supposed to be a manager who demanded sound fundamentals from his team. He can't help that his players got injured or that the FO gave him 3 rookie pitchers for the rotation, but he failed at the one thing for which he has no excuse. There's no excuse that this team is so poor at executing fundamentals. They are worse than any Joe Torre team. It is not just the kids, but it's the veterans as well. That shows me that Girardi either does not stress the fundamentals (in which case he did not come as advertised) or that he stresses the fundamentals but the team is not responding to him. The latter is worse than the former. If the team is not responding to him, he should be fired. I hope he stays, because I feel very strongly that he is a terrible manager. BTW without calling him a failure, Michael Kay made the same exact point about how Girardi was expected to stress fundamentals, but noted how poor this team was in that regard.

 

I did have another quote that is being used in a signature about the Yankees having no chance, because they are made up of rookies and old men. That statement was very early in the season. It is very uncharacteristic of me to stick a fork in the Yankees before they are mathematically eliminated, but the make up of this team with two untested rookies in the rotation made it clear to me early on that they had no chance. Blame injuries all you want, but if Hughes and Kennedy had stayed healthy they would have sported something like a 4-16 record. They would have had to been sent down whether or not they got injured. They had no chance with 2 rookies in the rotation and more in the pen. The only reason they stayed this close is because Moose shocked everyone and had a great season.

[das11209]

They had no chance with 2 rookies in the rotation and more in the pen. The only reason they stayed this close is because Moose shocked everyone and had a great season.

 

So right. Moose is doing what Wang would have done - so the injury excuse does not fly. Red Sox ( and almost all other teams) have had similar injury problems and Manny had to be shipped out because of his attitude. The fact that the Sox young players ( pitching and in the filed) have outperformed the Yankee's tells us either they are better or they have been managed better by our FO. Also the fact that the Sox team has shown unusal depth in both pitching and position players to encounter the injury. In 2005/2006 we did not have this pitching depth. The reason injury was a problem was nothing but lack of plan 'B' by Cashman ( and sometime plan 'A').

 

Call me crazy - but I will take Joe over Tito any day. Tito is aweful and I don't care how many championship he has won. His managing the ego of veterans does not fly any more as he was not able to manage Manny. He blocks deserving young players for aweful veterans. The only reason Lowrie could play is Lugo gets injured. We have countless example of him sticking to the vet's on both side of the game ( Tek, Timlin etc.). I don't even know how Tito contributes to this team in any form - we are so better off without him.

[riverside sluggers]

To Tito's credit, he had Pedroia's back last year as he went through an awful April... despite the media and outcry from number of fans asking for Cora to start or to make a trade for Cantu

 

Onto the topic of this thread... The Yankees have now lots 8 out of their last 11. This is a stat I like seeing, the last 6 series, the Yankees have lost all openers

[ARod2212]

You should be upset' date=' because he was supposed to be a manager who demanded sound fundamentals from his team. He can't help that his players got injured or that the FO gave him 3 rookie pitchers for the rotation, but he failed at the one thing for which he has no excuse. There's no excuse that this team is so poor at executing fundamentals. They are worse than any Joe Torre team. It is not just the kids, but it's the veterans as well. That shows me that Girardi either does not stress the fundamentals (in which case he did not come as advertised) or that he stresses the fundamentals but the team is not responding to him. The latter is worse than the former. If the team is not responding to him, he should be fired. I hope he stays, because I feel very strongly that he is a terrible manager. BTW without calling him a failure, Michael Kay made the same exact point about how Girardi was expected to stress fundamentals, but noted how poor this team was in that regard.[/quote']

I'm interested as to what you mean with fundamentals. The problem with this team is it's numbers with RISP. If they hit close to their normal average, they'd be where they should be. I don't see how that's on the manager.

 

 

I did have another quote that is being used in a signature about the Yankees having no chance, because they are made up of rookies and old men. That statement was very early in the season. It is very uncharacteristic of me to stick a fork in the Yankees before they are mathematically eliminated, but the make up of this team with two untested rookies in the rotation made it clear to me early on that they had no chance. Blame injuries all you want, but if Hughes and Kennedy had stayed healthy they would have sported something like a 4-16 record. They would have had to been sent down whether or not they got injured. They had no chance with 2 rookies in the rotation and more in the pen. The only reason they stayed this close is because Moose shocked everyone and had a great season.

 

I absolutely disagree with the point about Hughes. He was pitching hurt basically from the beginning of the season. His velocity was in the low 90s and he had no command. Since he's been in rehab, his fastball has been 95 and he's hitting his spots. If he was healthy all season, I think he'd be very similar to Mike Pelfrey this year with better K-rates. Mussina has been great this year, and if Wang stayed healthy, they'd be right in the middle of it. As it is, they're going to need a miracle.

[a700hitter]

I'm interested as to what you mean with fundamentals.

You didn't see the guy get picked off first base in the 9th inning with a 3-2 count on Damon and no outs? That's the type of thing that I am talking about. Michael Kay had the same comment.

[yankees228]

You didn't see the guy get picked off first base in the 9th inning with a 3-2 count on Damon and no outs? That's the type of thing that I am talking about. Michael Kay had the same comment.

 

Well if Michael Kay said it it must be true! Duh!

 

You might be right, but you're complaining about the wrong guy. Christian has spent most of his time in the minors. His lack of fundamentals (if that's what you're going to call it) should be blamed on himself and minor league instructors.

 

Believe me, I'm far from Joe Girardi's biggest fan, but in this case you're blaming the wrong person.

[ARod2212]

You didn't see the guy get picked off first base in the 9th inning with a 3-2 count on Damon and no outs? That's the type of thing that I am talking about. Michael Kay had the same comment.

Sorry, that's on the baserunner. He should have stolen second base way before that attempt.