PEDitte Admits to Using HGH

[TheKilo]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/15/pettitte.hgh.ap/index.html

 

Andy Pettitte used human growth hormone to recover from an elbow injury in 2002, the New York Yankees pitcher said two days after he was cited in the Mitchell Report.

 

Pettitte said he tried HGH on two occasions.

 

"If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize," Pettitte said Saturday in a statement released by his agent. "I accept responsibility for those two days."

[a700hitter]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/15/pettitte.hgh.ap/index.html

Pettitte spins before Roger. They will whine that they only took it to get over injuries. They'll whine that they only took it a few times. They got caught. They are cheaters, and they have to spin, because after their playing days are over, the only asset they have is their names. Clemens and Pettitte's names are permanently stained. They can swear on bibles that they sat on the needles by mistake, but they are still sullied. Too bad for the Whore and the Hypocrite. What about the other 10 Yankee champions. They didn't inhale either. Cheaters! Their championship banners should have syringes embroidered on them.

 

I see a new slogan for the '96, '98-2000 Champs: "Champion Cheaters of the Steroid Era." The fans can be proud. Give the team a monument for Monument Park.

[He Hate Me]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/15/pettitte.hgh.ap/index.html

 

man i wish he had just come out and said this when the first allegations came out.

 

his name is the only one that really makes me sad.

 

pro wrestlign is fake, optimus prime got killed, and now this...

[He Hate Me]

Cheaters! Their championship banners should have syringes embroidered on them.

 

I see a new slogan for the '96, '98-2000 Champs: "Champion Cheaters of the Steroid Era." The fans can be proud. Give the team a monument for Monument Park.

 

you're being silly. the report says itself that Roger and maybe Justice was the only one who was doing it before 2000.

 

If you go back and take a look at ROger's postseason stats, and can make a case on how his PED's helped us in the playoffs, then we can talk about tainted championships.

[a700hitter]

you're being silly. the report says itself that Roger and maybe Justice was the only one who was doing it before 2000.

 

If you go back and take a look at ROger's postseason stats, and can make a case on how his PED's helped us in the playoffs, then we can talk about tainted championships.

You are kidding yourself if you think these guys were not doing this stuff before 2000. It's like the DWI that cries to the judge that he had never driven drunk before. It's BS. The clubhouse must have been swimming in the stuff during those years.

[He Hate Me]

You are kidding yourself if you think these guys were not doing this stuff before 2000. It's like the DWI that cries to the judge that he had never driven drunk before. It's BS. The clubhouse must have been swimming in the stuff during those years.

 

I see, so you're willing to accept the Mitchell report at face value when it says these Yankees were juicing but not willing to accept the timeline that the report lays out? no, not too biased there.

[riverside sluggers]

According to Newsday, two people familiar with Roger Clemens' thinking fully anticipate that he will pitch again in 2008.

 

"I really don't think this would deter him from playing," one person said, on the condition of anonymity. "He might think it would change the public opinion on him further. People would think, 'Why would he come back and put up with all of this abuse if he did it?'" Newsday believes Clemens would prefer to finish his career with the Red Sox, though he had that opportunity last season and didn't take it. If he does pitch again, we're guessing it'd be with the Astros.

 

Looks like we arent yet rid of Roger Clemens rumors. LOL about Newsday spinning that Clemens would like to end his career with Boston... besides already having a surplus of more durable and cheaper starting pitchers, the Sox dont need him. For the Yankees sake, they shouldnt even bid for him again

[He Hate Me]

Looks like we arent yet rid of Roger Clemens rumors. LOL about Newsday spinning that Clemens would like to end his career with Boston... besides already having a surplus of more durable and cheaper starting pitchers' date=' the Sox dont need them. For teh Yankees sake, they shouldnt even bid for him again[/quote']

 

wow...PLEASE SIGN HIM BOSTON!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheKilo]

It appears that Pettitte used them in a similar way that Rodney Harrison did in the NFL...but the important thing is this makes it seem like McNamee was telling the truth. Tough sailing for Clemens ahead.

[a700hitter]

I see' date=' so you're willing to accept the Mitchell report at face value when it says these Yankees were juicing but not willing to accept the timeline that the report lays out? no, not too biased there.[/quote']I accept the time lines of the evidence, but that doesn't mean that the drug use by the individuals was limited to those time periods, just as the evidence doesn't present an all-inclusive list of players that used during the era. Use was rampant during those years, and the Yanks were the Champs.

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I see' date=' so you're willing to accept the Mitchell report at face value when it says these Yankees were juicing but not willing to accept the timeline that the report lays out? no, not too biased there.[/quote']

Just dont even take a thing that 700 says seriously. All of us who have been here for a while know how he is..let him talk and run his mouth, it doesnt mean a thing.

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In regards to Pettitte thought, I feel almost compelled to believe him. You guys can all say what you want, but I think he is sincerely telling the truth.

[26 to 6]

Pettitte spins before Roger. They will whine that they only took it to get over injuries. They'll whine that they only took it a few times. They got caught. They are cheaters, and they have to spin, because after their playing days are over, the only asset they have is their names. Clemens and Pettitte's names are permanently stained. They can swear on bibles that they sat on the needles by mistake, but they are still sullied. Too bad for the Whore and the Hypocrite. What about the other 10 Yankee champions. They didn't inhale either. Cheaters! Their championship banners should have syringes embroidered on them.

 

I see a new slogan for the '96, '98-2000 Champs: "Champion Cheaters of the Steroid Era." The fans can be proud. Give the team a monument for Monument Park.

If you want to get technical though, Andy never cheated. HGH was not against the rules in 2002, when he tried it twice while on the DL. So not only was he not active, he wasn't breaking any rules. Go fall off the Throgs Neck.

[ARod2212]

If you want to get technical though' date=' Andy never cheated. HGH was not against the rules in 2002, when he tried it twice while on the DL. So not only was he not active, he wasn't breaking any rules. Go fall off the Throgs Neck.[/quote'] Word.

[a700hitter]

Just dont even take a thing that 700 says seriously. All of us who have been here for a while know how he is..let him talk and run his mouth' date=' it doesnt mean a thing.[/quote']

...and if you believe him you should just have "Sucker" tatooed on your forehead.

[rician blast]

In regards to Pettitte thought' date=' I feel almost compelled to believe him. You guys can all say what you want, but I think he is sincerely telling the truth.[/quote']

 

That's f***ing laughable. He had several options:

 

(1) Deny any and all allegations

(2) Come completely clean

(3) Offer a semi-"confession" indicating how he was doing it on a limited basis, to recover from injury so that he could get back as quickly as possible for the benefit of the team.

 

What a crock of s***, but hell, some people will buy it, and it sort of sounds like he's contrite., right? Wrong.

 

"If what I did was an error of judgement...I accept responsibility for those 2 days" Weak and pathetic.

 

I've said over and over, I don't care what the hell these guys put in their bodies and I remain convinced that well over 50% use PEDs.

 

These guys are not my heroes, They're not my idols, They're not my friends.

They're records and stats don't mean s*** to me.

They're physically talented guys blessed with the tools necessary to play a kid's game, a game many of us would play for a fraction of the $ they make if we could, and as such I don't care if they all s*** their f***ing livers out tomorrow from what they've used. But this f***ing pathetic spin makes me sick.

 

Name on front. That's what ultimately I root for...name on front.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pettitte spins before Roger. They will whine that they only took it to get over injuries. They'll whine that they only took it a few times. They got caught. They are cheaters, and they have to spin, because after their playing days are over, the only asset they have is their names. Clemens and Pettitte's names are permanently stained. They can swear on bibles that they sat on the needles by mistake, but they are still sullied. Too bad for the Whore and the Hypocrite. What about the other 10 Yankee champions. They didn't inhale either. Cheaters! Their championship banners should have syringes embroidered on them.

 

I see a new slogan for the '96, '98-2000 Champs: "Champion Cheaters of the Steroid Era." The fans can be proud. Give the team a monument for Monument Park.

 

and no sox from the 04 or 07 teams ever tried roids? So once the evidence comes out in the next 5-10 yrs, we can retroactively put syringes on those as well. Thats just stupid. Funny thing is, Clemens wasnt even that big of a part of our 98-00 run. His best yr was in 01 when we lost. And Pettitte tried his after our run. Then we got Giambi too.

[a700hitter]

But this f***ing pathetic spin makes me sick.

 

Name on front. That's what ultimately I root for...name on front.

Agreed. I believe that I predicted such whiny spin in the "Spin" thread.

[yeszir]

optimus prime got killed

WHERE THE s*** ARE THE SPOILER TAGS DAMMIT! I HAVENT SEEN IT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[rician blast]

and no sox from the 04 or 07 teams ever tried roids? So once the evidence comes out in the next 5-10 yrs' date=' we can retroactively put syringes on those as well. Thats just stupid. Funny thing is, Clemens wasnt even that big of a part of our 98-00 run. His best yr was in 01 when we lost. And Pettitte tried his after our run. Then we got Giambi too.[/quote']

 

Jacks, of course Sox players have and still do use PEDs. That's not the issue here.

 

Many of us have said we suspected Foulke, Kapler, Nixon, Tek, Nomar, Damon etc. I have suspicions about others including Youk, maybe Manny and Ortiz too.

 

And if and when Sox players are implicated and offer up such weak, pathetic defenses despite the evidence against them, we'll compare Sox fans reactions to Yankee fans reactions. I, for one, wouldn't believe any of their excuses...it doesn't matter who they play for. I do not, though, believe a WS championship can be considered tainted because players got caught..simply because the competition was using as well.

 

With the $ implications and the egos involved, major sports athletes are always going to look for an edge and those who believe their ridiculous denials are only fooling themselves.

[TheKilo]

If you want to get technical though' date=' Andy never cheated. HGH was not against the rules in 2002, when he tried it twice while on the DL. So not only was he not active, he wasn't breaking any rules. Go fall off the Throgs Neck.[/quote']

 

Fantastic.

 

There seems to be some disconnect as to what people actually think of the Mitchell Report. many seem to think it's the definitive list of who used previously. In my opinion, it was a report to discuss the state of the game and how big a role steroids/HGH played in it. Mitchell even suggested those on the list not be punished unless the crime was egregious enough to destroy the integrity of the game.

 

People are reading too much into this. It's becoming more and more accurate, but it isn't punitive in any way shape or form.

 

Like I said in the other thread, the evidence against Clemens continues to grow.

[jacksonianmarch]

but Pettitte isnt denying it. Clemens is. As I have said before, I liked having Clemens on the team, but he is nothing but a mercenary and as a mercenary, there is no love lost on this guy and I would absolutely expect him to be a guy to use and continue to use PEDs. OTOH, Pettitte has been a standup guy throughout his career. And I for one actually do believe he used HGH for a short while. He knew he'd get crucified if he admitted anything regardless. He could have just denied it. Also, his admission throws Roger under the bus. And, the evidence points towards a single incident as well.

[a700hitter]

and no sox from the 04 or 07 teams ever tried roids? So once the evidence comes out in the next 5-10 yrs' date=' we can retroactively put syringes on those as well. Thats just stupid. Funny thing is, Clemens wasnt even that big of a part of our 98-00 run. His best yr was in 01 when we lost. And Pettitte tried his after our run. Then we got Giambi too.[/quote']Jackson, the funny thing about Federal investigations is that it has a way of changing behavior that is being investigated. I'll bet scores of guys went off the juice when BALCO went down. That's why Giambi, Brown and Sosa (DL'ed from a sneeze) were experiencing withdrawal You are a Doc. You know the terrible side effects that can occur from weaning off too fast. I don't think we are going to hear much about post 2003 usage precisely because the Feds were prosecuting people. Daylight is the greatest disinfectant.

 

As for Clemens not being a major part of your 98-2000 run, that is revisionist history for sure. Maybe they'll preserve the Yankee clubhouse/crack den as a historical reminder of this sordid time in Baseball history.

[cam780]

I don't like the statement because of the "if" if what i did was against better judgement ... it was . take the if away just say you did it and you get a pass. its kind of a squirrelly apology. Just like Rodney's for that matter like Kilo pointed out.

 

As far as Clemens goes, the Sox can't take him back now. I would think it would also be a stretch for Astros to let him on the field.

 

With that being said, I don't think it tarnishes what the Yanks did. They had a bunch of juicers in a league full of them. Its just like Barry Bonds. He was juiced when he hit the homers but some of the pitchers that gave some up to him were too. Its also important to remember that HGH is still undetectable so there is no real way to determine how many players actually used or are using. It just so happens that the guys that spilled the beans worked in NY and Cali. If the pharmacy was located in Cambridge, I'd bet we'd be seeing a lot more Red Sox names.

 

I also think it will be interesting when Pettite pitches in Fenway next year. Think we may see some syringes?

[jacksonianmarch]

or maybe they will continue to look at them as they should, the last real baseball dynasty. Which they likely will be, unless you guys get Santana.

[a700hitter]

or maybe they will continue to look at them as they should' date=' the last real baseball dynasty.[/quote'].. in an unprecedented era of cheating, they were the best of the cheaters.

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Fantastic.

 

There seems to be some disconnect as to what people actually think of the Mitchell Report. many seem to think it's the definitive list of who used previously. In my opinion, it was a report to discuss the state of the game and how big a role steroids/HGH played in it. Mitchell even suggested those on the list not be punished unless the crime was egregious enough to destroy the integrity of the game.

 

People are reading too much into this. It's becoming more and more accurate, but it isn't punitive in any way shape or form.

 

Like I said in the other thread, the evidence against Clemens continues to grow.

Where did I say it was a definitive report? I've taken the same stance as you since it was released. Go back to the Mitchell thread, which I started and posted in frequently, and find a place where I said that. I challenge you to do so.

 

OTOH, Pettitte has been a standup guy throughout his career.

Man was a f***ing sunday school teacher at one point, for christ's sake. His reputation, and the fact that he's always been admirable and sincere are the main reasons I believe him.

[a700hitter]

Where did I say it was a definitive report? I've taken the same stance as you since it was released. Go back to the Mitchell thread, which I started and posted in frequently, and find a place where I said that. I challenge you to do so.

 

 

Man was a f***ing sunday school teacher at one point, for christ's sake. His reputation, and the fact that he's always been admirable and sincere are the main reasons I believe him.

...and men of God have never been publicly exposed as being bad people?

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...and men of God have never been publicly exposed as being bad people?

lol dont take what I said and spin it, thats not what I said at all. There's a big difference between a priest sexually abusing little innocent 8 year old boys and a former sunday school teacher/Major League pitching star trying HGH TWICE to assist in injury recovery.

[a700hitter]

lol dont take what I said and spin it' date=' thats not what I said at all. There's a big difference between a priest sexually abusing little innocent 8 year old boys and a former sunday school teacher/Major League pitching star trying HGH TWICE to assist in injury recovery.[/quote']There is no comparison between the two situations, but men of God are human and they sin like the rest of us. Just because he is not molesting kids doesn't mean that he isn't a lying cheat.