Barry Bonds Indicted

[TedWilliams101]

Barry Bonds is indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Balco trials in 2003. :lol:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112487

[BSN07]

Damn about time something came out on this...

 

Wonder what the fall out on this is going to be?

[VA Sox Fan]

Can he please retire now?

[redsoxrules]

Can he please retire now?

 

after he plays with us for 1 year

[BSN07]

Man after being indicted, what team will sign him? And would it really be worth it? This is major baggage here...

[VA Sox Fan]

after he plays with us for 1 year

 

Please, tell me you are joking.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I'm just tired of talking about Barry Bonds.

[YAZMAN]

Barry Bonds* is an ass.

[redsoxrules]

Please' date=' tell me you are joking.[/quote']

 

no I'm not

[Jayhawk Bill]

OK, I went through the actual indictment, found here:

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/1115072bonds1.html

 

Here are the distilled reasons for the perjury charges:

 

1) Bonds said that he was unaware of taking steroids or HGH. The prosecution intends to charge he had both knowledge and memory of doing so.

 

2) Bonds says that he remembered first use of "flaxseed oil" in 2003. The prosecution intends to charge he had both knowledge and memory of use in 2000-2001.

 

3) Bonds says that he never got any drug from Greg Anderson involving a syringe. The prosecution intends to charge he had both knowledge and memory of doing so.

 

***

 

For those who are old enough, think back to the Oliver North hearings, where Lieutenant Colonel North repeatedly listened to his questions, consulted quietly with his lawyer for 30-90 seconds, and then said "I don't remember." No perjury conviction--it's well-nigh impossible to prove memory, regardless of how silly it might seem that somebody could forget. Gaining perjury from fabrications is more likely, but still challenging.

 

This case should not be pursued if they have nothing more than what is given in the indictment. It's a witch hunt--it's a huge expenditure of Federal resources that's likely to culminate in Bonds's innocence.

 

It's possible to get a perjury conviction: Republican Scooter Libby was convicted on evidence similar to what will be brought against Bonds by what was likely an all-Democrat DC jury. If they can find a San Francisco jury (probably all Giants fans) that will convict Barry Bonds of perjury over this, I'll be very surprised.

[VA Sox Fan]

no I'm not

 

Ridiculous.

[Thumper]

Finally. A bittersweet victory. Barry Bonds* will finally be gutted for the lying f*** he is.

[zackredsox]

Ridiculous.

 

I'd love for him to play for us to. His OPS in unbelievable.

[TheKilo]

No thanks. Before this broke I would have entertained the idea.

 

You have to draw a line somewhere. Federal indictment seems like a decent place to start.

[ARod2212]

OK, I went through the actual indictment, found here:

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/1115072bonds1.html

 

Here are the distilled reasons for the perjury charges:

 

1) Bonds said that he was unaware of taking steroids or HGH. The prosecution intends to charge he had both knowledge and memory of doing so.

 

2) Bonds says that he remembered first use of "flaxseed oil" in 2003. The prosecution intends to charge he had both knowledge and memory of use in 2000-2001.

 

3) Bonds says that he never got any drug from Greg Anderson involving a syringe. The prosecution intends to charge he had both knowledge and memory of doing so.

 

***

 

For those who are old enough, think back to the Oliver North hearings, where Lieutenant Colonel North repeatedly listened to his questions, consulted quietly with his lawyer for 30-90 seconds, and then said "I don't remember." No perjury conviction--it's well-nigh impossible to prove memory, regardless of how silly it might seem that somebody could forget. Gaining perjury from fabrications is more likely, but still challenging.

 

This case should not be pursued if they have nothing more than what is given in the indictment. It's a witch hunt--it's a huge expenditure of Federal resources that's likely to culminate in Bonds's innocence.

 

It's possible to get a perjury conviction: Republican Scooter Libby was convicted on evidence similar to what will be brought against Bonds by what was likely an all-Democrat DC jury. If they can find a San Francisco jury (probably all Giants fans) that will convict Barry Bonds of perjury over this, I'll be very surprised.

Good info. That said, his buddy trainer just got released from prison. It wouldn't surprise me if he was convinced to finally testify against Bonds. Hopefully they can make this stick, but it'll be awfully tough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

[TheKilo]

Greg Anderson released - man this doesn't look good for Bonds.

[yankeessuck013]

http://www.redsoxsuperfan.com/blogger/images/bonds_rookie.jpg

 

I can remember when he was just a rookie

[VA Sox Fan]

I'd love for him to play for us to. His OPS in unbelievable.

 

He wouldn't love to play for the Red Sox. He loves playing the race card and considers Boston a very racist place.

 

Let me guess, Bonds would DH and Papi would play 1st? No way. Papi is our DH...period.

 

He should retire.

[rician blast]

So there you have it. Barry Bonds has been indicted.

 

They've indicted the single season HR champ.

They've indicted the career HR champ.

Big f***ing deal.

 

Assuming he is guilty, I suppose this is vindication for all of those who've been calling him a cheater, a liar, a scumbag, an *******?

 

Well, some of us suspected a long, long time ago, when his head grew to Cro-magnon proportions and his HR totals skyrocketed, that he was on something. Some of us also have suspected, for just as long, that a full list of PED-users (if one were ever to be assembled), would likely include (names I've suspected or heard others mention) such notables as Nomar, Tejada, Foulke, Posada, Berkman, Andrue Jones, Sosa, Thome, Jeff Kent, Pujols, Bagwell, Sexson, Edmunds, Luis Gonzalez, Palmiero, Sheffield, Justice, Carl Everett, Burnitz, Salmon, Albert Belle, Delgado, Rolen, Clemens, Jaret Wright, Kevin Brown, Helling, ARod, Jeter (my own suspicion) etc. etc. etc.

 

This doesn't even touch on the issue of fringe players who might have used PEDs just to get to the bigs. Or the guys whose HR totals were able to get out of the single digits by using.

 

So sure, there might be some real dirt on Bonds. Why I am unimpressed with the indictment is that (1) we all suspected him in the first place and (2) he's only the main target because of his gaudy numbers and his arrogance.

 

In a way its a shame that the powers that be are inclined to go after Bonds so much harder than anyone else simply because he was already better than just about every other player in the league. Assuming the allegations are correct, would PEDs have enhanced his performance and stats? Sure. But my hunch is he was just doing what 50, 60, 70% of MLB players were doing...he was just f***ing better than them...and thus got better results.

 

Personally I take no joy in any of this...not because I like Bonds...I don't...but simply because I think he's only one of many who shoud wear the cheater label.

[He Hate Me]

OK, I went through the actual indictment, found here:

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/1115072bonds1.html

 

Here are the distilled reasons for the perjury charges:

 

1) Bonds said that he was unaware of taking steroids or HGH. The prosecution intends to charge he had both knowledge and memory of doing so.

 

2) Bonds says that he remembered first use of "flaxseed oil" in 2003. The prosecution intends to charge he had both knowledge and memory of use in 2000-2001.

 

3) Bonds says that he never got any drug from Greg Anderson involving a syringe. The prosecution intends to charge he had both knowledge and memory of doing so.

 

***

 

For those who are old enough, think back to the Oliver North hearings, where Lieutenant Colonel North repeatedly listened to his questions, consulted quietly with his lawyer for 30-90 seconds, and then said "I don't remember." No perjury conviction--it's well-nigh impossible to prove memory, regardless of how silly it might seem that somebody could forget. Gaining perjury from fabrications is more likely, but still challenging.

 

This case should not be pursued if they have nothing more than what is given in the indictment. It's a witch hunt--it's a huge expenditure of Federal resources that's likely to culminate in Bonds's innocence.

 

It's possible to get a perjury conviction: Republican Scooter Libby was convicted on evidence similar to what will be brought against Bonds by what was likely an all-Democrat DC jury. If they can find a San Francisco jury (probably all Giants fans) that will convict Barry Bonds of perjury over this, I'll be very surprised.

 

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11162007/sports/b_rry_gets_indicted_472524.htm?page=0

In an ironic twist, the key piece of evidence came from a drug test Bonds actually wanted to take. BALCO, the lab that would design a program of drugs for the baseball star, administered a steroid test to Bonds on Nov. 18, 2000. The test came back positive for two steroids.

 

Investigators from the IRS found the positive test in the early phases of the BALCO investigation in 2003, giving them concrete evidence of Bonds' steroid use, sources said yesterday.

 

When asked about the failed test before a grand jury on Dec. 4, 2003, Bonds said he did not use steroids. Now, that testimony could land the home run king in prison.

 

evidence was always there, they were probably just waiting to see what else they could prove.

[Mr Crunchy]

Officials accuse Jeter of tax fraud

Posted: Friday November 16, 2007 06:41AM ET

New York State tax officials say that the Yankee star Derek Jeter claimed he lived in Florida to avoid paying city and state income taxes for several years, when he was actually living in New York, according to documents filed last week with an administrative law judge. Jeter, one of the highest-paid players in baseball, filed nonresident income tax returns to New York State between 2001 and 2003, claiming that he lived primarily at his off-season home in Florida, which, unlike New York, has no state income tax. But officials at the State Division of Taxation and Finance argued that Jeter's primary residence during those years was in New York, where he owns an apartment in the Trump World Tower, near the United Nations, and has rented or owned other living space.

 

im on the record here saying barry bonds is the best player ever.

this doesnt change my opinion

as far as this steroid s*** goes

i personally dont give a f*** but in lieu of the f***ing headhunting missionaries out there i thought i would drop the above gem into the music.

we got the president(clinton) of the usa lying in front of a grand jury and getting indicted for it

we have the senior bush aide leaking the identity of cia agents

we have our mercenaries in bagdad shooting 30 civilians to death in 1 exchange

oakistan is about to catch fire,they have a nuke and were 1 of 2 nations supporting the taliban on 9-11.

you would think our focus would be on important things considering we're at war 8000 miles away,home heating oil is 3.00 a gallon,foreclosures are in double digits nationwide and i just paid 10.00 for 6 california navel oranges.

 

must get barry

must get barry

must get barry

 

congratulations

they got him

now what?

is your quality of life any better and did you make the mortgage payment last month?

[TheKilo]

He wouldn't love to play for the Red Sox. He loves playing the race card and considers Boston a very racist place.

 

He actually said how much he enjoyed playing in Boston when the Giants came to Fenway this year.

 

But it still wouldn't be a good baseball decision.

[a700hitter]

The Marion Jones plea conviction came out of the same investigation. Bond has more resources than Jones and he is likely not to plead out, but you would have to think the Feds are trying to build a more solid case against Bonds than they did against Jones.

[Thumper]

Officials accuse Jeter of tax fraud

Posted: Friday November 16, 2007 06:41AM ET

New York State tax officials say that the Yankee star Derek Jeter claimed he lived in Florida to avoid paying city and state income taxes for several years, when he was actually living in New York, according to documents filed last week with an administrative law judge. Jeter, one of the highest-paid players in baseball, filed nonresident income tax returns to New York State between 2001 and 2003, claiming that he lived primarily at his off-season home in Florida, which, unlike New York, has no state income tax. But officials at the State Division of Taxation and Finance argued that Jeter's primary residence during those years was in New York, where he owns an apartment in the Trump World Tower, near the United Nations, and has rented or owned other living space.

 

im on the record here saying barry bonds is the best player ever.

this doesnt change my opinion

as far as this steroid s*** goes

i personally dont give a f*** but in lieu of the f***ing headhunting missionaries out there i thought i would drop the above gem into the music.

we got the president(clinton) of the usa lying in front of a grand jury and getting indicted for it

we have the senior bush aide leaking the identity of cia agents

we have our mercenaries in bagdad shooting 30 civilians to death in 1 exchange

oakistan is about to catch fire,they have a nuke and were 1 of 2 nations supporting the taliban on 9-11.

you would think our focus would be on important things considering we're at war 8000 miles away,home heating oil is 3.00 a gallon,foreclosures are in double digits nationwide and i just paid 10.00 for 6 california navel oranges.

 

must get barry

must get barry

must get barry

 

congratulations

they got him

now what?

is your quality of life any better and did you make the mortgage payment last month?

 

NateGrey?

[Cocos Disciples]

 

But it still wouldn't be a good baseball decision.

 

Based on other opinions on this matter I think you're being sarcastic here...I'd love to have him, he'd be a great addition. However right now I don't see anywhere he could play. I don't want Ortiz at 1st.

[TheKilo]

Based on other opinions on this matter I think you're being sarcastic here...I'd love to have him' date=' he'd be a great addition. However right now I don't see anywhere he could play. I don't want Ortiz at 1st.[/quote']

 

I'm actually not. I don't think signing Bonds would be a good PR move at all.

 

ARod is one thing, he's the best player in baseball who likes transgendered strippers.

Bonds lied to a grand jury and could be sent to jail for a long time.

 

There's a huge, fundamental difference between the two. Besides, he doesn't fill any need we have.

[Cocos Disciples]

Ahh I thought you meant baseball decision as in for the team's on field performance.

[VA Sox Fan]

He actually said how much he enjoyed playing in Boston when the Giants came to Fenway this year.

 

But it still wouldn't be a good baseball decision.

 

He was probably talking out of his ass (ha ha) when he said that

 

Definitely NOT a good baseball decision.

 

I'm tired of Sox "fans" (not you Kilo, so don't jump down my fk'n throat) wanting to throw together an "All-Star" team.....doesn't work....not even in the All-Star game!

 

Retire Barry....and thanks for the memories. Too bad you got picked out of all the cheaters out there, but ya kinda asked (begged) for it by being a such a fk'n dick. STFU! God bless and have a great life.

[Jayhawk Bill]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11162007/sports/b_rry_gets_indicted_472524.htm?page=0

 

In an ironic twist, the key piece of evidence came from a drug test Bonds actually wanted to take. BALCO, the lab that would design a program of drugs for the baseball star, administered a steroid test to Bonds on Nov. 18, 2000. The test came back positive for two steroids.

 

Investigators from the IRS found the positive test in the early phases of the BALCO investigation in 2003, giving them concrete evidence of Bonds' steroid use, sources said yesterday.

 

When asked about the failed test before a grand jury on Dec. 4, 2003, Bonds said he did not use steroids. Now, that testimony could land the home run king in prison.

 

evidence was always there, they were probably just waiting to see what else they could prove.

 

How is evidence of use evidence that Bonds knew that he was using steroids? :dunno:

 

If he denies knowledge, he's created reasonable doubt, unless they got him to sign a statement saying "I acknowledge that I am choosing to use steroids, a drug disallowed by Major League Baseball," or similar evidence. He could've been confused regarding his medical care; he could've forgotten.

 

That's not how you see it--but the defense can challenge jurors they see as potentially hostile to Bonds. OJ got off a murder rap--this is just perjury, and the trial venue is right where Barry Bonds set his record.

 

***

 

BTW, remember the Mo Vaughn trial?

[a700hitter]

How is evidence of use evidence that Bonds knew that he was using steroids? :dunno:

 

If he denies knowledge, he's created reasonable doubt, unless they got him to sign a statement saying "I acknowledge that I am choosing to use steroids, a drug disallowed by Major League Baseball," or similar evidence. He could've been confused regarding his medical care; he could've forgotten.

If they have succeeded in flipping his trainer, he could provide more than enough evidence that Bonds participated in his Steroid program.