Posada Re-signs.

[yankeessuck013]

60 mil over 4 years.

 

Extremely pricey, but the Yankees really had no choice; the market for catchers is extremely dry. It was either Jorge or go to someone who sucks, i.e. Lo Duca.

 

From: NY Daily News

[a700hitter]

That's a long contract. He'll be a relic by year 3.

[26 to 6]

Wow. Good s*** though, at least we still got him. As for the length of the contact, I think he'll be able to produce offensively throughout, just a matter of reducing his days behind the plate as the years go on, and maybe even having to make him a full time DH or 1B come 2012 or something.

[TheKilo]

Wow. Good s*** though' date=' at least we still got him. As for the length of the contact, I think he'll be able to produce offensively throughout, just a matter of reducing his days behind the plate as the years go on, and maybe even having to make him a full time DH or 1B come 2012 or something.[/quote']

 

The last thing the Yanks need is another DH/1B type.

 

Maybe his HGH shipment will get lost in the mail before next season...

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2007/11/posada_to_stay_with_yanks.html

 

The Posada deal is a la Johnny Damon/Hideki Matsui, 4 years at $52 million

[He Hate Me]

not crazy about the 4th year but when you consider the options on the market, you really had no choice.

[jacksonianmarch]

I like that Posada will be back, I hate the deal. As with all yankee fans, I care less about the money than I do about the yrs. But the external options were abysmal and our best internal options are at least 3 yrs away. So having Posada there will help. But there is a lot of mileage on his tread and hardly any reason to assume that he'll even hit over .280 next season.

 

One thing that must happen now is that we need to resign Molina. Posada is not known for being a good game caller and is considered average to below average in handling the staff. That being said, if we can resign Molina and get him in as someone's personal catcher (I like the Hughes idea) then we can reduce the wear on Jorge some and give Hughes the experience of working with a great defensive catcher who works well with pitchers.

 

Unfortunately, we will have to cross our fingers and hope Jorge can actually catch for 4 yr. I highly doubt that will happen and I have a feeling that, just like the Damon deal, we'll be regretting the last half of it. Oh well.

[BudLight]

I have to believe that without the 4th year Posada would be wearing blue and orange next year. This deal IMHO is what Posada deserved. Him and Rodriguez carried the Yankees out of their early season funk last year. His experience will be a real benefit for the young pitchers coming up in the system now.

[das11209]

So what are the chances that Posada will have the same offensive year he had last year in his final contract year? We know that his defense and game calling ability is questionable at best.

[jacksonianmarch]

zero

[Mr Crunchy]

i saw him block the plate for the 1st time in his career this summer

that wont happen again

 

its expensive trying to retain your players and a 4 yr deal is just a bitch for a 36yr old catcher.

i remember that someone on this panel thought it obscene when we gave tek 4yrs in 04.

i guess these guys are taking better care of their bodies eh mj??

amazing how these 36 yr old men heal so fast after catching 125-140 games a summer

perhaps its better living thru chemistry

[26 to 6]

The last thing the Yanks need is another DH/1B type.

 

Maybe his HGH shipment will get lost in the mail before next season...

What do you men another? Come 2012 Hideki, Giambi, etc. will be off contract. He'd be ideal for that role come then if he's no longer valuable behind the plate.

[jacksonianmarch]

i saw him block the plate for the 1st time in his career this summer

that wont happen again

 

its expensive trying to retain your players and a 4 yr deal is just a bitch for a 36yr old catcher.

i remember that someone on this panel thought it obscene when we gave tek 4yrs in 04.

i guess these guys are taking better care of their bodies eh mj??

amazing how these 36 yr old men heal so fast after catching 125-140 games a summer

perhaps its better living thru chemistry

 

would it surprise me? Not really. The guy went from being a solid offensive contributor in the early 00s to being a weaker part of the order until last yr when he was arguably our best hitter. At the same time, I wanted a 2 yr deal with 2 vesting option yrs. I knew that wasnt gonna get it done. Either way, I guess the question was that, regardless of the money, who will be the better offensive player over the next 4 yrs, Torrealba or Posada. Too bad they didnt take into account defense and staff handling.

 

Like I said, it is good to have him her to pencil him in the lineup next yr. But we are paying him coming off a yr that was so far off from his career #s that he is rather unlikely to duplicate them.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Like I said' date=' it is good to have him her to pencil him in the lineup next yr. But we are paying him coming off a yr that was so far off from his career #s that he is rather unlikely to duplicate them.[/quote']

 

Concur.

 

I may have missed it, but if nobody's mentioned it the big story for 2007 was Posada's BABIP. He was fourth in the AL with a .386. The three ahead of him were BJ Upton, Chone Figgins and Ichiro Suzuki, all three both good hitters and very fast baserunners. Posada isn't even fast for a thirty-something catcher: I expect that he could beat Doug Mirabelli in a 100-meter dash, but so could many AARP members.

 

Posada's median BABIP for the past four years is .302, almost exactly the MLB norm. His career mark is higher at .323, but most of that increase was earned back in 2000-2002, and Posada is an older, slower player now. I'd guess that his BABIP would regress to around .300 next year.

 

Bill James projects Posada for a BABIP of .324 and a batting line of .281/.386/.469 next year. Reducing BABIP by 24 points drops everything by about 18 points, yielding a .263/.368/.451 batting line. That's an OPS of .819, which would drop Posada from first to second among qualified AL catchers.

 

And that's the point: because other catchers hit so badly, Posada is worth lots of wins, even if he regresses. Because of that, and because he's been historically healthy, and because Marginal Revenue per Marginal Win is so high for the Yankees, I believe that signing Posada for 4/52 was a very sound business decision.

[elsrbueno]

Concur.

 

I may have missed it, but if nobody's mentioned it the big story for 2007 was Posada's BABIP. He was fourth in the AL with a .386. The three ahead of him were BJ Upton, Chone Figgins and Ichiro Suzuki, all three both good hitters and very fast baserunners. Posada isn't even fast for a thirty-something catcher: I expect that he could beat Doug Mirabelli in a 100-meter dash, but so could many AARP members.

 

Posada's median BABIP for the past four years is .302, almost exactly the MLB norm. His career mark is higher at .323, but most of that increase was earned back in 2000-2002, and Posada is an older, slower player now. I'd guess that his BABIP would regress to around .300 next year.

 

Bill James projects Posada for a BABIP of .324 and a batting line of .281/.386/.469 next year. Reducing BABIP by 24 points drops everything by about 18 points, yielding a .263/.368/.451 batting line. That's an OPS of .819, which would drop Posada from first to second among qualified AL catchers.

 

And that's the point: because other catchers hit so badly, Posada is worth lots of wins, even if he regresses. Because of that, and because he's been historically healthy, and because Marginal Revenue per Marginal Win is so high for the Yankees, I believe that signing Posada for 4/52 was a very sound business decision.

 

 

I agree with everything JHB said here.

 

If Posada hits .330 again in his career I'll be shocked, he was lucky and played above his career norms which just doesn't happen for a 36 year old. That having been said, Posada hasn't shown signs of a slowdown despite his age so he should be useful behind the plate for at least the first few years of his contract. Not to mention the fact that by the time he's in year 3 and 4, Damon/Giambi will be gone and Posada can DH if his skills have eroded.

 

If paying him an extra couple million and tacking on an extra year is what the Yankees needed to do to keep Posada from fleeing to the Mets, to me it's worth it for them. He's still one of the best offensive catchers out there, and the Yankees aren't exactly the Devil Rays.... overpaying Posada in 2012 won't exactly cripple them....

[He Hate Me]

Concur.

 

I may have missed it, but if nobody's mentioned it the big story for 2007 was Posada's BABIP. He was fourth in the AL with a .386. The three ahead of him were BJ Upton, Chone Figgins and Ichiro Suzuki, all three both good hitters and very fast baserunners. Posada isn't even fast for a thirty-something catcher: I expect that he could beat Doug Mirabelli in a 100-meter dash, but so could many AARP members.

 

Posada's median BABIP for the past four years is .302, almost exactly the MLB norm. His career mark is higher at .323, but most of that increase was earned back in 2000-2002, and Posada is an older, slower player now. I'd guess that his BABIP would regress to around .300 next year.

 

Bill James projects Posada for a BABIP of .324 and a batting line of .281/.386/.469 next year. Reducing BABIP by 24 points drops everything by about 18 points, yielding a .263/.368/.451 batting line. That's an OPS of .819, which would drop Posada from first to second among qualified AL catchers.

 

And that's the point: because other catchers hit so badly, Posada is worth lots of wins, even if he regresses. Because of that, and because he's been historically healthy, and because Marginal Revenue per Marginal Win is so high for the Yankees, I believe that signing Posada for 4/52 was a very sound business decision.

 

i have no clue what you just said but it sounds like you did your homnework

[YAZMAN]

Posada, Rivera, Payrod with 10 years...

 

This will be a wheelchair baseball team pretty soon.

[26 to 6]

Posada, Rivera, Payrod with 10 years...

 

This will be a wheelchair baseball team pretty soon.

So you think we would be better off not bringing these guys back?

[VA Sox Fan]

So you think we would be better off not bringing these guys back?

 

 

I believe he was making a joke.

 

When are you going to change your name to 26-7?

[chacha]

I believe he was making a joke.

 

When are you going to change your name to 26-7?[/QUOTE]

 

 

mwid........

[VA Sox Fan]

I believe he was making a joke.

 

When are you going to change your name to 26-7?[/QUOTE]

 

 

mwid........

 

[YAZMAN]

So you think we would be better off not bringing these guys back?

 

Ny signs guys who are decent initially and over the hill when they leave. At some point NY has to stop signing old men to long contracts.

 

Unless, of course, Geritol is buying the naming rights to the new stadium.