Rangers intent on trading Teixeira

[Gom]

Taken from ESPN:

Executives with other teams believe that the Texas Rangers are definitely intent on trading first baseman Mark Teixeira before the July 31 trade deadline, which would make Teixeira the most prominent player dealt.

 

The rival executives say that the Rangers' demands for Teixeira have come down bit by bit. In addition, the Rangers feel they can get one or more of the targeted prospects that they can ask for from the targeted teams. However, the Rangers dispute the notion that their price is coming down or that it's a slam dunk that they will trade Teixeira.

 

At the outset of the Teixeira trade talks, for example, the Rangers had insisted the Yankees include either Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes, one of the Yankees' top pitching prospects, and had asked the Dodgers for three top prospects. They had asked the Red Sox for pitcher Clay Buchholz and center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury.

 

The Angels, Braves and Giants are also involved in talks for Teixeira.

 

Would you do it as a Sox fan? I don't know much about Bucholz and Ellsbury. I know I would do it in a heartbeat for Chamberlain.

[redsoxrules]

Taken from ESPN:

 

 

Would you do it as a Sox fan? I don't know much about Bucholz and Ellsbury. I know I would do it in a heartbeat for Chamberlain.

 

id do it for ellsbury, lester and youk

 

the only possible way for the sox to make a big deal before the deadline would be to include buchholz. cause you know every freakin team is asking for him . so what do you do?

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Short of moving Bucholz for a proven ace from a non-contender...his Sox stay Red.

 

Bowden, Lester, Moss, Ellsbury, Youk, Lowell, and WMP can all be moved if the price is right...you don't have to look for AS big a return on those guys as you do on Buch.

[TedWilliams101]

I really don't want to trade Buccholz or Ellsbury, but if the price is right, I think it would be the right move. I can live with losing Ellsbury for a great deal. I really really don't want to trade Buccholz at all. He looks just too good. But then again, he is just a prospect. There's the big argument about potential/proven.

[ellsberryfan]

I cant believe the Ellsbury apathy. I played against this kid when he was with Oregon State. He is the man. You do not want to see this kid get away. Youk is pretty solid so I would not go giving up the future for Tex who is good--Not Great. I was wondering if anyone knows why Ellsbury was out of the AAA line-up the past few nights?

[redsoxrules]

I cant believe the Ellsbury apathy. I played against this kid when he was with Oregon State. He is the man. You do not want to see this kid get away. Youk is pretty solid so I would not go giving up the future for Tex who is good--Not Great. I was wondering if anyone knows why Ellsbury was out of the AAA line-up the past few nights?

 

Tex is better than youk

[TedWilliams101]

Tex is far better than Youk, plus he's younger. Ellsbury is awesome, but I think I would trade him to get Tex.

[DrewDaGreat]

Far better? Youk has more RBI and a higher average this season. I know Teixiera is a big talent(much more talented then Youk) and has put up big power numbers the last three seasons, but I don't know if he's "far" better. I'd rather stick with Lowell and Youk at the corners then give up one of them, plus Ellsbury and Buccholz. I haven't completely given up on Drew either and getting Teixiera would be getting what Drew was suppose to be IMO.

[Cocos Disciples]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070724&content_id=2105789&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnered=rss_mlb

 

Says Sox are frontrunners.

[redsoxrules]

Far better? Youk has more RBI and a higher average this season. I know Teixiera is a big talent(much more talented then Youk) and has put up big power numbers the last three seasons' date=' but I don't know if he's "far" better. I'd rather stick with Lowell and Youk at the corners then give up one of them, plus Ellsbury and Buccholz. I haven't completely given up on Drew either and getting Teixiera would be getting what Drew was suppose to be IMO.[/quote']

 

are you serious? tex is a 30+ HR 100 RBI easily ... and also do you realize that tex is injured at the moment wich would explain youk having more RBI's ... oh BTW youk only has 1 more RBI and thats with 60 more AB . youk only has 9HR as well . this is a no brainer , you make this move if you have the chance.

[riverside sluggers]

Id reluctantly give up Jacoby Ellsbury in the package, even tho Ive been a big sujpporter of his since the day he was drafted. Like the Beckett deal, you are getting young all-star talent for young all-star talent. Texeira would give the Sox some comfort with his bat as Manny leaves after the 08 season. Its all gravy if Crisp continues playing like he did in Cleveland

[schillingouttheks]

If you can get Teixeira, you have to make the move. Youkilis + Bowden or Lester + Moss is what I'd offer first. It could possibly get the job done. Keep in mind that the Rangers are the one team that you try to screw out of a deal. If it really came down to it for Teixeira, I'd give up Youk + Lester + Ellsbury and get Teixeira in a Boston uniform. You have to do it - especially if you can lock up Teixeira long-term as a condition of the trade.

[riverside sluggers]

I didnt think of that, young GM Daniels has been swindled in his fair share of deals

[schillingouttheks]

I didnt think of that' date=' young GM Daniels has been swindled in his fair share of deals[/quote']

 

Eaton, Otsuka and Billy Killian for Chris Young, Adrian Gonzalez and Terrmel Sledge? Yeah, he got rocked in that trade.

[DrewDaGreat]

are you serious? tex is a 30+ HR 100 RBI easily ... and also do you realize that tex is injured at the moment wich would explain youk having more RBI's ... oh BTW youk only has 1 more RBI and thats with 60 more AB . youk only has 9HR as well . this is a no brainer ' date=' you make this move if you have the chance.[/quote']

 

 

It's not a no brainer. We'd have to give up our two best prospects.

[ksushi]

No, I think its pretty obvious Buchholz is staying put. At least if you look at what Theo has done to keep other top pitching prospects, and Buchholz is the best we've had yet... I'd think we have to keep him. Buchholz for Texiera straight up probably wouldn't even be fair... add anyone else going to Texas and its officially a kings ransom.

[schillingouttheks]

It's not a no brainer. We'd have to give up our two best prospects.

 

It's Texas. We may not even have to give up one of Ellsbury/Buchholz. And even if we did, we wouldn't have to give up Buchholz.

[Cityofchampions33]

It's not a no brainer. We'd have to give up our two best prospects.

 

As long as Buccholz stays i'm okaying any deal as long as we don't send an army or 'spects to Arlington. I feel Ellsbury is being a tad overrated and with Crisp returning to Cleveland form, I feel no need to keep him untouchable, as the only position that makes sense for him is filled by a guy who raised his average 40 points in less than a month. However, reading that mlb.com article, it looks like it's gunna turn into a game of chicken, as Texas has already told us what they wanted, and even though other teams are making offersfor Teixeira, we seem to be the option that makes sense, as those options seem to be balking at the demands.

[TheKilo]

I would trade Ellsbury for Tex. Not much past that. And since the Rangers want pitching.....

[DrewDaGreat]

I would trade Ellsbury for Tex. Not much past that. And since the Rangers want pitching.....

 

 

So would I. I just wouldn't want to give up Lowell or Youk, Ellsbury, and Buccholz, which is what it may take.

 

As long as Buccholz stays i'm okaying any deal as long as we don't send an army or 'spects to Arlington. I feel Ellsbury is being a tad overrated and with Crisp returning to Cleveland form' date=' I feel no need to keep him untouchable, as the only position that makes sense for him is filled by a guy who raised his average 40 points in less than a month. However, reading that mlb.com article, it looks like it's gunna turn into a game of chicken, as Texas has already told us what they wanted, and even though other teams are making offersfor Teixeira, we seem to be the option that makes sense, as those options seem to be balking at the demands.[/quote']

 

 

I agree with that.

[Sox Fan In Indy]

So would I. I just wouldn't want to give up Lowell or Youk, Ellsbury, and Buccholz, which is what it may take.

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If we get Tex, we're basically forced to give up Lowell or Youk to free up first base.

[Cityofchampions33]

If we get Tex' date=' we're basically forced to give up Lowell or Youk to free up first base.[/quote']

 

i think he meant he doesn't want to trade a combination of all those players that he mentioned

[DrewDaGreat]

i think he meant he doesn't want to trade a combination of all those players that he mentioned

 

yeah, exactly. I won't be terribly upset, but I'd rather stand pat then give up those three.

[Sox Fan In Indy]

i think he meant he doesn't want to trade a combination of all those players that he mentioned

 

Good point. The way I first read it, I thought he was listing those 4 as players he wouldn't want involved in the trade at all, which obviously wouldn't work. Now it makes sense, and I agree that I don't want a trade with a combo of those players.

[schillingouttheks]

If Ellsbury is involved, Youkilis + Ellsbury is all I give up. Ellsbury AND Bowden/Lester is too much IMO. If they want pitching, then we should try to pry Otsuka from them while we're shopping in Texas, OR we keep Ellsbury and send Moss + Youkilis + Bowden/Lester and call it a day.

[example1]

I think the Sox should propose something that is either Youk or Lowell.

Youk is a valuable player. If we give him up then we should give up less in some other area.

 

Given Lester's clean health right now, his age, and his MLB readiness, I think he is pretty valuable. Youk is pretty valuable.

 

I would offer a sweeter package of youngsters to get the Rangers to take Lowell, but the more I think about it I see Youk as the logical piece. I have a weird feeling about karma and dealing Youk, but baseball-wise Teixeira is just too good to pass up.

 

He's not 'just a bit' better than youkilis. He switch hits and had 43 HR and 144 RBI two seasons ago. Youk is on pace for 15 HR and 81 RBI this season. Nearly half.

 

In any case, Teixeira puts up numbers that are closer to those of David Ortiz than Kevin Youkilis. In the Sox system I can only imagine that he would develop even more.

 

Youkilis should be considered as better than a top prospect like Ellsbury, given his experience and ability to produce on both sides of the ball immediately.

 

If there is ANY way to move Lowell instead I think they should do it. A deal involving Lowell, WMP, Lester, Bowden? That would be a high price, but I would consider it to keep Youkilis. His OBP skills, cheap price tag, positional versitility, and relationship with the fans make it hard to deal him.

[example1]

If Ellsbury is involved' date=' Youkilis + Ellsbury is all I give up. Ellsbury AND Bowden/Lester is too much IMO. If they want pitching, then we should try to pry Otsuka from them while we're shopping in Texas, OR we keep Ellsbury and send Moss + Youkilis + Bowden/Lester and call it a day.[/quote']

 

Yep, I should have just agreed with your post, instead of writing my own.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Texas is very rape-able. When they get obsessed with moving a player despite the fact that they may not be getting good value for him, they do it anyway. Prime example: Alfonso Soriano. I think if Theo stands pat with some offer that might not even include Ells/Buch, Texas MIGHT give in.

[example1]

Texas is very rape-able. When they get obsessed with moving a player despite the fact that they may not be getting good value for him' date=' they do it anyway. Prime example: Alfonso Soriano. I think if Theo stands pat with some offer that might not even include Ells/Buch, Texas MIGHT give in.[/quote']

 

WMP, Lester, Gabbard.

[BSN07]

After reading that article, it seems most teams have backed off. SF doesn't have the prospects. Both LA's do but won't pull the trigger. I offer Bowden, Gabbard and a Moss type. Thats more then they will get from anyone else. I mean I could be wrong, but it does seem no one else is gonna pony up at the moment.