FOX Sports: Saito is the best closer in baseball

[LUGOforMVP]

I wanted to post this in the Papelbon's Filthy thread, but it was closed.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7014472

[BoSox21]

if it isn't Papelbon, I'd say its J.J. Putz

[redsoxrules]

saito?? its putz

[Youk Of The Nation]

Leverage aside, I'm still going to go with Putz.

[Youk Of The Nation]

PS: The Mariners are 39-2 when leading after SIX INNINGS.

[redsoxrules]

PS: The Mariners are 39-2 when leading after SIX INNINGS.

 

wow thats retarted

[Youk Of The Nation]

wow thats retarted

 

Retarted? Is that like, when you re-heat a partially consumed Pop-Tart?

 

"Hey, you want a piece of this retart?"

[arbitrary]

Retarted? Is that like, when you re-heat a partially consumed Pop-Tart?

 

"Hey, you want a piece of this retart?"

 

DAMN! Thats recockulus. :thumbsup:

[SCM33]

I wanted to post this in the Papelbon's Filthy thread, but it was closed.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7014472

 

"Without LEV being brought into the mix, Saito's season wouldn't look as amazing as it really is."

 

Nobody uses this as a measure to determine how good a closer is. I can make up a stat tonight which points Papelbon being the best closer. All fickle stats aside, Putz has been the best. Besides you people in LA, I dont think many people give a s*** about Saito. I would also give the edge to any American League closer over a National League closer since they deal with tougher lineups, and a National league closer has a 33% chance of facing someone pinch hitting in the pitchers spot every time he comes in to a game.

 

Only legit closers in the NL are Cordero, Wagner and Hoffman.

[CrespoBlows]

 

Nobody uses this as a measure to determine how good a closer is.

 

No, but this tells us how much crucial outs the pitcher is getting. Saito's been used more in tight situations, and has been succeeding in those situations.

 

 

I can make up a stat tonight which points Papelbon being the best closer.

 

No, you can't.

 

Besides you people in LA, I dont think many people give a s*** about Saito.

 

How is this relevant?

 

I would also give the edge to any American League closer over a National League closer since they deal with tougher lineups, and a National league closer has a 33% chance of facing someone pinch hitting in the pitchers spot every time he comes in to a game.

 

33% chance?

 

Only legit closers in the NL are Cordero, Wagner and Hoffman.

 

Oh, I guess Saito's .70 WHIP, which is lower than all three of those pitchers, doesn't mean anything, because no one cares about him outside of LA.

[schillingouttheks]

Saito's done wonders for my fantasy team. :thumbsup:

[SCM33]

No' date=' but this tells us how much crucial outs the pitcher is getting. Saito's been used more in tight situations, and has been succeeding in those situations.[/quote']

You are right. But in all honesty, who would you rather take?

 

 

No' date=' you can't.[/quote']

How about lowest ERA over your first 100 games? I believe NESN brought that up. So yes, I did find a stat which I could argue.....I didnt say who would win the argument, just that I could find a stat to make a case.

 

 

How is this relevant?

Because like I have said before, this is a RedSox forum. The only reason that link was thrown on the redsox forum was to bait us to compare Paps and Saito.

 

33% chance?

How many batters are there in a NL lineup? 9 What is the least possible amount of hitters a closer would face if he recorded all 3 outs in the ninth inning? 3. Hence, the 33% chance.

 

 

 

Oh' date=' I guess Saito's .70 WHIP, which is lower than all three of those pitchers, doesn't mean anything, because no one cares about him outside of LA.[/quote']

Thats right brother, get that dodger s*** outta here. Thanks for once again dissecting my post just for the f*** of it just to be a prick.

[SCM33]

PS: The Mariners are 39-2 when leading after SIX INNINGS.

 

The RedSox are 43-3 when leading after 6.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/inning_summary.cgi?year_game=2007&team_id=BOS

 

They are 47-3 when tied or ahead after 6.

[yankees228]

Thats right brother' date=' get that dodger s*** outta here. Thanks for once again dissecting my post just for the f*** of it just to be a prick.[/quote']

 

So you're discounting his .70 WHIP, just because you don't like the Dodger fans here? Just because you dislike the Dodgers doesn't mean you should disregard facts. He has been the best closer in National League this year, in my unbiased opinion. On top that, if more people understood LEV and took it into account, then people would have a better understanding of how good a closer is. Considering Saito's WHIP, LEV, and ERA, I would say that he has had a great year.

[CrespoBlows]

You are right. But in all honesty' date=' who would you rather take?[/quote']

 

This year? Saito.

 

How about lowest ERA over your first 100 games? I believe NESN brought that up. So yes, I did find a stat which I could argue.....I didnt say who would win the argument, just that I could find a stat to make a case.

 

Means absolutely NOTHING in terms of this year.

 

Because like I have said before, this is a RedSox forum. The only reason that link was thrown on the redsox forum was to bait us to compare Paps and Saito.

 

And this thread is in the General Baseball Talk. If they want to talk about the Dodgers closer, they can.

 

How many batters are there in a NL lineup? 9 What is the least possible amount of hitters a closer would face if he recorded all 3 outs in the ninth inning? 3. Hence, the 33% chance.

 

League ERA (NL) - 4.12

League ERA (AL) 4.40

 

Let's say that the NL is 6.4% easier to keep runs of the board than the AL.

 

Saito - 1.47 ERA X 6.4% = .09 + 1.47 = 1.56 ERA

Papelbon - 1.87 ERA

 

Even if you account for the league difficulty, Saito's still got the better ERA.

 

 

Thats right brother, get that dodger s*** outta here. Thanks for once again dissecting my post just for the f*** of it just to be a prick.

 

Out of the General Baseball Talk section?

[SCM33]

So you're discounting his .70 WHIP' date=' just because you don't like the Dodger fans here? Just because you dislike the Dodgers doesn't mean you should disregard facts. He has been the best closer in National League this year, in my unbiased opinion. On top that, if more people understood LEV and took it into account, then people would have a better understanding of how good a closer is. Considering Saito's WHIP, LEV, and ERA, I would say that he has had a great year.[/quote']

 

Oh im not just discounting it. The fact is, I am tired of everything DB posters say/do be anti redsox.

 

With all their posts about Lugo/Drew, and Saito being their new flavor of the month it gets tiring. I will agree Saito has been better thus far this season.

 

Who would you rather have?

[Rdsxmbnt]

Papelbon: 5.07 Hits/9: 2.67 BB/9: 12.81 K/9: .80 HR/9: .157 BAA: .86 WHIP: 1.87 ERA

Saito: 5.39 Hits/9: .98 BB/9: 11.52 K/9: .98 HR/9: .168 BAA: .71 WHIP: 1.47 ERA

 

Saito's edge is definetly in the the walks since he's allowed 6 less than Papelbon. The differences are so small though, the ERA difference is one run, the HR difference is one, the hits are couple, etc. The difference in the AL and NL can't be overlooked, the league ERAs are close and Im not looking to get into a big argument but the talent level is quite a bit better in the AL. So if you want a couple walks, hits, HR, runs to sway your judgement go ahead but Im not going to call Saito's season way better than Papelbon's especially with the league difference. (Putz is hands-down the best but thats for another day).

[ORS]

I think you have the walks transposed, because it's impossible for Saito to have a higher H/9 and BB/9, but a lower WHIP.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I think you have the walks transposed' date=' because it's impossible for Saito to have a higher H/9 and BB/9, but a lower WHIP.[/quote']

 

ya your right I switched around the BB/9, fixed now

[yankees228]

Oh im not just discounting it. The fact is, I am tired of everything DB posters say/do be anti redsox.

 

With all their posts about Lugo/Drew, and Saito being their new flavor of the month it gets tiring. I will agree Saito has been better thus far this season.

 

Who would you rather have?

 

OK, well, I'm not a Red Sox fan, so I obviously don't take that stuff the same way you do, but they might have an argument about Saito. Who you would rather have over the long run is a different story, however that's not what the article was about. This thread, because it was about the article, was discussing who has been the best closer this year, and this year only. If you make it an argument between Papelbon and Saito, it's Saito.

[SCM33]

OK' date=' well, I'm not a Red Sox fan, so I obviously don't take that stuff the same way you do, but they might have an argument about Saito. Who you would rather have over the long run is a different story, however that's not what the article was about. This thread, because it was about the article, was discussing who has been the best closer this year, and this year only. If you make it an argument between Papelbon and Saito, it's Saito.[/quote']

 

The difference between, as mentioned is small. Lets see where they finish. Again, if he were pitching in the American League I doubt he puts up the same numbers as Paps.

 

Paps is dominating with the ability to throw any pitch by anyone.

[Mr Crunchy]

saito throws strikes and has the luxury of playing in AAAA ball in a league full of pitchers ballparks

consider that khalil green is the power guy and josh bard hit cleanup for sandiego for a while and ray durham and pedro feliz hit 3-5 in sanfran its hard to take anything from that league seriously as the talent levels arent close to being equel

 

put saito in baltimore and they'll be screaming for chris ray

put him in toronto and they'll make bj ryan pitch right handed

 

the guy is 37 yrs old,he can throw strikes and he seems durable

but

on a roster that has brett ho ho tomko and wuuuuudy seanez on it why wouldnt he look good??

if i pitched after mark hendrickson i too would be considered tremendous in comparison.

put this guy against mlb hitters and he will be exposed eventually

theres a reason he didnt get here till he was 36 and theres also a reason hes making 1M instead of real MLB coin like juan pierre nomar randy wolf and jason schmidt make.

the reason is he aint that good and this will be proven over the next 10 weeks

[YazsTripleCrown]

the reason is he aint that good and this will be proven over the next 10 weeks

 

How will you like your Crow?

[lasordas speed dial]

This is great.

[lasordas speed dial]

saito throws strikes and has the luxury of playing in AAAA ball in a league full of pitchers ballparks

consider that khalil green is the power guy and josh bard hit cleanup for sandiego for a while and ray durham and pedro feliz hit 3-5 in sanfran its hard to take anything from that league seriously as the talent levels arent close to being equel

 

Pick two of the worst offense teams in the league. You're an idiot.

 

put saito in baltimore and they'll be screaming for chris ray

put him in toronto and they'll make bj ryan pitch right handed

 

More idiocy.

 

the guy is 37 yrs old,he can throw strikes and he seems durable

but

on a roster that has brett ho ho tomko and wuuuuudy seanez on it why wouldnt he look good??

 

Seanez>Taverez=Hendrickson>Tomko. Regadless, this is more of your patented illogical idiocy.

 

if i pitched after mark hendrickson i too would be considered tremendous in comparison.

put this guy against mlb hitters and he will be exposed eventually

theres a reason he didnt get here till he was 36 and theres also a reason hes making 1M instead of real MLB coin like juan pierre nomar randy wolf and jason schmidt make.

the reason is he aint that good and this will be proven over the next 10 weeks

 

Dodgers have the rights to Saito, just like Dice-Gay. They can pay him what they wish, his only other choice was to return to Japan. (Nevermind the other idiocy you wrote)

 

P.S. Sox's FA contracts sure are working out well for them. Every friggin argument on here turns into a "our FA's are better than yours....wanh wanh." STFU. Saito and Papsmear are both excellent closers. If you've gotta choose one for the long term of course you go with a younger player. Nobody knows Saito, that's part of what makes him effective.

[jacksonianmarch]

Saito is a good closer for now who wont last due to age. He is not a top tier closer. Are you seriously taking news from the company that employs Buck and McCarver? They automatically lose cred for that.

[yankees228]

I think a lot of you guys have made this argument into more than it was initially supposed to be. The article was about which closer has had the best year so far. It was nothing to do with long term. If you make the argument between Saito and Papelbon, numbers wise, it's Saito. If you bring league into it, it may be a different story, but nobody can question that Saito has been excellent this year.

[CrespoBlows]

Saito is a good closer for now who wont last due to age. He is not a top tier closer. Are you seriously taking news from the company that employs Buck and McCarver? They automatically lose cred for that.

 

Saito might not be a top-tier closer three years from now, but he's the best closer in the NL, and the second best closer in baseball.

 

This guy has a .73 WHIP. If that's not top tier, then what is?

[CrespoBlows]

Just when I thought that people couldn't fall below zero in IQ.

 

saito throws strikes and has the luxury of playing in AAAA ball in a league full of pitchers ballparks

 

Oh, because Coors Field is amazing at preventing runs. Same thing with Chase Field.

 

The AL has eight parks that rate is pro-pitcher. The NL has the same number, with two more teams.

 

consider that khalil green is the power guy and josh bard hit cleanup for sandiego for a while and ray durham and pedro feliz hit 3-5 in sanfran its hard to take anything from that league seriously as the talent levels arent close to being equel

 

Great sample size.

 

You want to see the disparity in power numbers between the AL and NL? Dude, the gap is so wide that, you should call the NL, the AAA league. LOL!!

 

NL - 1476 HR hit / 16 teams = 92.25 per team

AL - 1291 HR hit/ 14 teams = 92.21 per team

 

That's with the f***ing pitcher. Do you do any research at all?

 

 

put saito in baltimore and they'll be screaming for chris ray

put him in toronto and they'll make bj ryan pitch right handed

 

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the guy is 37 yrs old,he can throw strikes and he seems durable

but

on a roster that has brett ho ho tomko and wuuuuudy seanez on it why wouldnt he look good??

 

This guy could pitch for the 2003 LA Dodgers, and it would still be impressive. He's got a .75 WHIP. I don't give a s*** if every pitcher on the roster is Jake Peavy, those are insane numbers.

 

put this guy against mlb hitters and he will be exposed eventually

 

I know you love small sample sizes.

 

Saito vs AL - 10 IP 7 H 1 ER 14 K's 0.90 ERA

 

theres a reason he didnt get here till he was 36

 

He was pitching in Japan?

 

 

and theres also a reason hes making 1M instead of real MLB coin like juan pierre nomar randy wolf and jason schmidt make.

 

What the f***? Seriously, what the f***?

 

By that logic, Jonathan Papelbon is worse than Saito, because he makes $400,000. You put Saito on the free agent market right now, and he's going to get a big annual salary.

 

the reason is he aint that good and this will be proven over the next 10 weeks

 

Oh, I mean he's only had a 1.97 ERA in the first 80 weeks.

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