Jacoby Ellsbury

[schillingouttheks]

It's about time right....I mean he really couldn't get any worse. It would be great to see everyone contribute for the 2nd half. The Red Sox had a great start but the season isn't over.

 

For real. I know I'm never comfortable with a huge lead until we've hit the magic number, but when you have as big of a lead as the Sox have had all year, you can afford certain things. The team was winning despite Lugo's struggles...and thanks to the lead they built up, we could afford to let him keep at it and try to break out. He's really looking like a much different hitter than earlier in the year. Luckily, like you said, it got to the point where it just couldn't have been any worse and it's about time. Hopefully he can win back the crowd with a great second half...I'm sure he knows that everyone's pulling for him.

[TheKilo]

He sucks

[schillingouttheks]

Yeah, he does. Sigh.

[Gom]

It is funny in a way. The guy least heralded out of our "big three" was Joba, who is the best of the bunch. Hughes and Buchholz were seen as future All-Stars, and both are back in the minors. Lester was a novel thought, an afterthought after Buchholz and Ellsbury.

 

Remember the conversation of who was better going into the season? Ellsbury or Melky? Or how there was no room for Coco now that Ellsbury had so obviously supplanted him in CF?

 

If you guys lose, I wish one of you would stand up and put the blame on the FO. If you had pulled the trigger on the deal for Santana, you could have avoided throwing a batting practice pitcher out there in game 4.

[BoSox21]

HE'S A f***ING ROOKIE FOR CHRIST SAKES

 

the kid hit .280 (.336 OBP) with 9 homers and 47 RBIs primarily out of the leadoff spot with an eye-popping amount of stolen bases while playing gold glove-quality defense

 

btw, Evan Longoria hit .272, just saying...

[redsoxrules]

HE'S A f***ING ROOKIE FOR CHRIST SAKES

 

the kid hit .280 (.336 OBP) with 9 homers and 47 RBIs primarily out of the leadoff spot with an eye-popping amount of stolen bases while playing gold glove-quality defense

 

btw, Evan Longoria hit .272, just saying...

 

336OBP f***ing blows

 

Evan Longoria had an 874 OPS, Ells was a low 700

also had 27HR and 85 RBI in just 122 games

 

its not even close , Evan is way better than Ells this year

[TheKilo]

It is funny in a way. The guy least heralded out of our "big three" was Joba, who is the best of the bunch. Hughes and Buchholz were seen as future All-Stars, and both are back in the minors. Lester was a novel thought, an afterthought after Buchholz and Ellsbury.

 

Remember the conversation of who was better going into the season? Ellsbury or Melky? Or how there was no room for Coco now that Ellsbury had so obviously supplanted him in CF?

 

If you guys lose, I wish one of you would stand up and put the blame on the FO. If you had pulled the trigger on the deal for Santana, you could have avoided throwing a batting practice pitcher out there in game 4.

 

Fact is not trading for Santana was a much more egregious error on the part of the Yankees as they needed Santana a lot more than the Sox.

 

Fact is, if Schilling doesn't get hurt, Buchholz doesn't suck, and Colon doesn't run away and hide, Wakefield doesn't see Game 4.

 

Ellsbury is a far superior player to Melky, although that doesn't mean much.

[TheKilo]

Yeah I don't think pimping Ellsbury's empty .280 average over Longoria is going to work...

[BoSox21]

I'm just trying to give people a little perspective. We've been spoiled with the success of rookies lately that we expect every hot shot prospect to come here and play like a 6-year veteran

[VA Sox Fan]

The timing of Ellsbury's batting slump sucks. I disagree that he does and will always suck. His defense is excellent.

[kreinbihl34]

I don't think having a only a year of experience should call for this type of criticism. The kid will be a productive lead-off hitter, he needed experience. This whole if we don't win the World Series every year I'll be pissy attitude from fans is getting way out of hand. Yes, I would love to be WS champions every year, but it's not logical to expect that.

 

Facts are Jacoby has a make or break year, next year, not this year. I expect a .290-.300 avg and a 350-360 obp from him. The key is he has to show progression. He'll be fine.

[Cocos Disciples]

The timing of Ellsbury's batting slump sucks. I disagree that he does and will always suck. His defense is excellent.

 

I mean he has a lot of talent, thats why he was a 1st round pick and such a touted prospect. He's shown flashes of brilliance but he just hasn't been able to sustain it. It's frustrating, because I really think he can be an awesome player.

[BoSox21]

I don't think having a only a year of experience should call for this type of criticism. The kid will be a productive lead-off hitter, he needed experience. This whole if we don't win the World Series every year I'll be pissy attitude from fans is getting way out of hand. Yes, I would love to be WS champions every year, but it's not logical to expect that.

 

Facts are Jacoby has a make or break year, next year, not this year. I expect a .290-.300 avg and a 350-360 obp from him. The key is he has to show progression. He'll be fine.

 

That's the closest a guy with less than 500 posts has come to making sense in months

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I don't think having a only a year of experience should call for this type of criticism. The kid will be a productive lead-off hitter, he needed experience. This whole if we don't win the World Series every year I'll be pissy attitude from fans is getting way out of hand. Yes, I would love to be WS champions every year, but it's not logical to expect that.

 

Facts are Jacoby has a make or break year, next year, not this year. I expect a .290-.300 avg and a 350-360 obp from him. The key is he has to show progression. He'll be fine.

 

 

I agree with you. People are starting to get too quick to jump on this guy. Not everyone is going to put up a Dustin Pedroia rookie season. Everyone is highly overreacting to this and it's getting on my nerves. he doesn't need to be DFA'd, or sent down, or traded or anything.

[TheKilo]

No one ever said he will always suck. But, he sucks right now.

 

I also think he needs wholesale changes to his batting approach because he doesn't hit anything hard - it's a grounder or popup 95% of the time.

[TheKilo]

A big part of my frustration with Ellsbury was the anointing of him as the next coming after 120 good ABs last season.

 

Many on this board were calling him untouchable in the Santana talks.

 

Many felt Crisp was expendable because we had JACOOBEEEEEE

 

What happened? Crisp puts up a better offensive season. Oops.

 

Time and time again I told people to temper their enthusiasm. Oops.

 

I am willing to be patient with the guy, but he deserves a lot of the blame for a s***** offensive season - he was good defensively, though.

[BoSox21]

The biggest thing Ellsbury needs to do is learn to be a spray hitter. The more ways he learns to get a hit, the better he will be cause he's gonna make his money by finding a way to get on base

[BoSox21]

I am willing to be patient with the guy' date=' but he deserves a lot of the blame for a s***** offensive season - he was good defensively, though.[/quote']

 

So does HE deserve the blame, or do all those who annointed him as the greatest thing since sliced bread deserve the blame? Comparatively speaking, he had a decent to good rookie season

[TheKilo]

He does, Francona does, and those people do.

 

PLENTY OF SUCK TO GO AROUND

[kreinbihl34]

Idk, I seriously think you overreact when you find that you could be right. I'll agree that Jacoby may never be what he was in the 07 post season, but then again maybe he will. Right now he is a hit or miss guy. Next season at the All-Star break if he isn't playing better on both sides of the ball I'll restI my case.

 

Still while sometimes it's funny when your trying to make people/comments look like an ass, usually it's useless. This season, while its had it's faults, hasn't been terrible. I don't think we have "sucked" at all.

[Gom]

Fact is not trading for Santana was a much more egregious error on the part of the Yankees as they needed Santana a lot more than the Sox.

True, Mr. Strawman. Not my point at all, but a good one.

Fact is, if Schilling doesn't get hurt, Buchholz doesn't suck, and Colon doesn't run away and hide, Wakefield doesn't see Game 4.

The Strawman Strikes Back. That's like us saying if Joba, Posada, and Wang weren't hurt and Hughes and Kennedy pitched well, we'd be in the World Series against the Phillies.

Ellsbury is a far superior player to Melky, although that doesn't mean much.

Return of the Strawman. Ellsbury is not far superior to any player in baseball, because he sucks. Melky does suck a more though.

 

What the Yankees did or did not do has nothing to do with my point about the Sox. My point is that there are a lot of parallels here, and if you're season ended, you were one SP short.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ellsbury gets into ruts where he starts to think he's a power hitter. When he puts the ball on the ground and takes some pitches, he's not only effective, but deadly. You hope that a player like him will learn with age that his job is to get on base, not to drive in runs. Once he figures that out, he'll be good.

 

And using Melky as a comparison is a poor choice. They both sucked this yr, thats about the only parallel. Gardner and Ellsbury are better comps.

[TheKilo]

True' date=' Mr. Strawman. Not my point at all, but a good one. [/quote']

 

That's fine, a strawman implies I am attacking your point of view. Should the Sox have traded for Santana? Possibly. Fact is, the Yankees not trading for them was more egregious.

 

The Strawman Strikes Back. That's like us saying if Joba, Posada, and Wang weren't hurt and Hughes and Kennedy pitched well, we'd be in the World Series against the Phillies.

 

No it isn't. The Sox were better equipped with MiLB pitching depth to withstand injuries to their key guys.

 

Want proof? They're still playing.

 

Return of the Strawman. Ellsbury is not far superior to any player in baseball, because he sucks. Melky does suck a more though.

 

Ellsbury isn't superior to anyone, but he sucks less than Melky.

 

Contradict yourself much?

 

What the Yankees did or did not do has nothing to do with my point about the Sox. My point is that there are a lot of parallels here, and if you're season ended, you were one SP short.

 

No, the Sox got decimated by injuries but had the organizational depth to make the playoffs and win a postseason series.

 

The Yankees didn't. Therefore, the seasons really weren't parallel, were they?

[Jeter2]

The timing of Ellsbury's batting slump sucks. I disagree that he does and will always suck. His defense is excellent.

Does someone understand? Possibly...

 

 

 

If he was eligible for ROY this season, I think its too early to pull the plug. Just sayin.