June 12th vs. Colorado

[jacksonianmarch]

nothing, cause he's banned.

[jacksonianmarch]

Paps closes the door.

[BoSox21]

what a pitching performance, Papelbon looked very good tonight

[Rdsxmbnt]

Thats the best Paps has looked in a while, good sign

[a700hitter]

Papelbon was overpowering tonight. Fast game.

[ORS]

Hey, that's the Papelbon I'm used to. Nice win.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Good win.

[Cocos Disciples]

Very nice pitching today from both Wakefield and Papelbon. 41-22.

[riverside sluggers]

2.5 hours... damn

 

Yesss Sox win, 41-22

Wake is starting to bounce back with 2 solid outings, happy to see him get the W out of this

 

Papelbon looked like the Paps from last year, 1-2-3 with heat sitting in the 95-97 range. Tonight he notched his 50th career save (sole possesion of 10th all time as a Red Sox)

 

Awesome game to watch, good pitching on both sides

 

Tomorrow is Curt Schilling vs Josh Fogg

 

EDIT: I hope Pedroia keeps his cool over something as little what happened in the 8th inning. When the sox got the last out he was walking onto the field like he was about to start a fight with someone. Even before it showed him in the dugout in the 9th talking to Cora, hand gestures aplenty

[TedWilliams101]

Lets hope the bats wake up tomorrow. These 1-0, 2-1 wins are killing me.

[seabeachfred]

Jacko told me earlier today to cut Wakefield some slack and I said I would if he could go out there and pitch a good game. Well, he certainly did that and more, and maybe this game is more important than many of us realize. IF Wakefield has turned the corner with two good outings in a row it is fair to say that we have four good starters and I think if that is true we have the makings of a staff that can carry us to the AL East Title. Of course, I'm still ticked we cannot give Tim more batting support but it was a good win. Maybe tomorrow the bats will heat up.

[jacksonianmarch]

fred, there isnt a corner to turn. Wake will have these kinds of starts and balance them out with his stinkers. It is the life of the knuckleballer.

[Cityofchampions33]

EDIT: I hope Pedroia keeps his cool over something as little what happened in the 8th inning. When the sox got the last out he was walking onto the field like he was about to start a fight with someone. Even before it showed him in the dugout in the 9th talking to Cora, hand gestures aplenty

 

What happened? I didn't see that

[a700hitter]

I hope Pedroia keeps his cool over something as little what happened in the 8th inning. When the sox got the last out he was walking onto the field like he was about to start a fight with someone. Even before it showed him in the dugout in the 9th talking to Cora' date=' hand gestures aplenty[/quote']If he got mad about being lifted for a Pinch Runner, the kid must be a wacka doodle. He's one of the slowest guys on the team.

[schillingouttheks]

Of course he's pissed... he didn't get to prove that he's faster than Youk!

 

I didn't see him pissed off...was he really?

[TheKilo]

Jacko told me earlier today to cut Wakefield some slack and I said I would if he could go out there and pitch a good game. Well' date=' he certainly did that and more, and maybe this game is more important than many of us realize. IF Wakefield has turned the corner with two good outings in a row it is fair to say that we have four good starters and I think if that is true we have the makings of a staff that can carry us to the AL East Title. Of course, I'm still ticked we cannot give Tim more batting support but it was a good win. Maybe tomorrow the bats will heat up.[/quote']

 

Turned the corner?

 

He's been the 3rd best starter for them this year.

[TheKilo]

BTW - Didn't Todd Helton play QB at Tennessee?

[See Red]

BTW - Didn't Todd Helton play QB at Tennessee?

 

Yep. He was a second stringer... and then the starter got hurt so Helton played. And then Helton got hurt and the third stringer, some kid named Peyton Manning kid, got the job.

[Youk Of The Nation]

As much as I love the Rockies, I hate Josh Fogg. We should beat up on the guy easily.

[riverside sluggers]

Of course he's pissed... he didn't get to prove that he's faster than Youk!

 

I didn't see him pissed off...was he really?

 

Just something I noticed right away, all I know is that he didnt look happy one bit. The camera started showing him right after he was pulled in favor of Cora

[Mr Crunchy]

over the past 13 summers ive learned to love wakefield

 

he eats up innings like crazy,there will be a spell every summer where hes unhittable

he will also give up the farm from time to time

 

he is usefull,very usefull and cheap

his absence last year was big,very big

[seabeachfred]

fred' date=' there isnt a corner to turn. Wake will have these kinds of starts and balance them out with his stinkers. It is the life of the knuckleballer.[/quote']

 

Jacko, if Wakefield can find some real consistency with his knuckler and get his release point perfected again, as seems the case the last two starts, save one inning, then we have a solid fourth starter. That was my point. A Wakefield who is a plus 500 pitcher gives us a very good starting staff and enables the Red Sox to have a chance to win every time Josh, Schill, Matsu and Tim take the hill. That is different from a Wakefield who can't find the plate, leaves his pitches up in the zone, and winds up giving up a half-dozen stolen bases.

 

Was it you who said Tom Candiotti worked with him on his mechanics? If it worked we could see a new Wakefield who goes out there and wins 12-15 games for us this summer. If he does that I like my team's chances.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko' date=' if Wakefield can [b']find some real consistency [/b]with his knuckler and get his release point perfected again, as seems the case the last two starts, save one inning, then we have a solid fourth starter. That was my point. A Wakefield who is a plus 500 pitcher gives us a very good starting staff and enables the Red Sox to have a chance to win every time Josh, Schill, Matsu and Tim take the hill. That is different from a Wakefield who can't find the plate, leaves his pitches up in the zone, and winds up giving up a half-dozen stolen bases.

 

Was it you who said Tom Candiotti worked with him on his mechanics? If it worked we could see a new Wakefield who goes out there and wins 12-15 games for us this summer. If he does that I like my team's chances.

 

 

are ya serious? He is throwing a floating pitch at about 65mph to major league hitters. Consistency is certainly not that. His pitches are left up to the wind and spin. Yes, spin. A good knuckler has a slight downward rotation. Those that get whacked have no spin at all. In Wake's case, he isnt going to be consistent. Beckett can be. DiceK can be. On any given night they can toss the ball 95 and locate it. That is consistent. Wake cannot. It is the blessing and the curse of the pitch of chaos.

[BoSox21]

A Wakefield who is a plus 500 pitcher gives us a very good starting staff and enables the Red Sox to have a chance to win every time Josh' date=' Schill, Matsu and Tim take the hill.[/quote']

 

you also gotta factor in the fact that the lineup has to give him some f***ing runs once in awhile for him to be a plus 500 pitcher.

[seabeachfred]

Turned the corner?

 

He's been the 3rd best starter for them this year.

 

Kilo, you've seen the walks, balls left high in the zone that have gotten ripped, the track meet when runners get on base consistently-----that has not been what is required from our fourth starter and for the most part that is what we've gotten. If Candiotti's tutoring really works we have a Wakefield who will go out there and pitch as he did last night. That makes us that much stronger----if, of course, we can start hitting when he pitches.

 

Let's say Tim goes out there and pitches another half-dozen good games in a row, what then???? What then means we have as good a starting rotation as any in baseball and with our lead we might even have a chance to increase it a couple of games over the next month or two. With Lester hopefully not too far removed from returning to us we could have the kind of staff that makes us the best team in baseball. That is what I would love to see.

[jacksonianmarch]

Kilo, you've seen the walks, balls left high in the zone that have gotten ripped, the track meet when runners get on base consistently-----that has not been what is required from our fourth starter and for the most part that is what we've gotten. If Candiotti's tutoring really works we have a Wakefield who will go out there and pitch as he did last night. That makes us that much stronger----if, of course, we can start hitting when he pitches.

 

Let's say Tim goes out there and pitches another half-dozen good games in a row, what then???? What then means we have as good a starting rotation as any in baseball and with our lead we might even have a chance to increase it a couple of games over the next month or two. With Lester hopefully not too far removed from returning to us we could have the kind of staff that makes us the best team in baseball. That is what I would love to see.

 

 

the track meet when he is on base? He throws a 75mph fastball and a 65mph knuckler. He cannot speed up his motion or he will be throwing BP and his move is okay at best. A knuckleballer IS a track meet on the bases.

 

Him leaving his pitches up is part of the pitch of chaos. Wake has nearly perfected it and he still is nothing more than a 4.5ERA kinda guy. Just sit back, and enjoy. The patient teams seem to bomb him. He eats up the inexperienced.

[seabeachfred]

As much as I love the Rockies' date=' I hate Josh Fogg. We should beat up on the guy easily.[/quote']

 

"As much as love the Rockies?"--------Man, you're risking some wrath on this board unless you are immune to it because of some special consideration you get. Anytime I even hint that I follow a team in the other league the bandwagon crap erupts from the mouths of a couple of dipshits on this board. But I get your point. Nothing wrong with following a team in the other league. I do that myself with the Dodgers, a club I loved as a kid living in New York. Of course, it is not love anymore, just interest, but if I had my druthers the team that I would really like to see win over there is the Cubs. They have a history similar to ours and longer in a drought than we had, they play in a classic ballpark with the second greatest fans in baseball, and are hungering for a pennant.

 

Besides, I predicted them to win the NL this year---and think of what a Red Sox-Cubs World Series would be for baseball. It would be the best possible matchup for tradition, sentimentality and excitement that our sport has seen in quite awhile.

[jacksonianmarch]

fred. The difference is that you started as a NL fan and converted to a sox fan when you were older. Youk is a sox fan who follows a NL team as well. Like I said, there is a difference in being brought up one way and then choosing another.

[seabeachfred]

over the past 13 summers ive learned to love wakefield

 

he eats up innings like crazy,there will be a spell every summer where hes unhittable

he will also give up the farm from time to time

 

he is usefull,very usefull and cheap

his absence last year was big,very big

 

Ditto from where I sit Crunch, but with the proper mechanics and control of his floater he is a very effective pitcher and that is what we need very badly from our fourth starter. It does us no good when he walks a ton of runners or gets his knuckler high in the zone because it results in hits, walks, and stolen bases---and most likely a loss. If he is in a hot zone now let's hope he stays that way for the rest of the season because an effective Wakefield means we win the division. My opinion anyway.

[seabeachfred]

are ya serious? He is throwing a floating pitch at about 65mph to major league hitters. Consistency is certainly not that. His pitches are left up to the wind and spin. Yes' date=' spin. A good knuckler has a slight downward rotation. Those that get whacked have no spin at all. In Wake's case, he isnt going to be consistent. Beckett can be. DiceK can be. On any given night they can toss the ball 95 and locate it. That is consistent. Wake cannot. It is the blessing and the curse of the pitch of chaos.[/quote']

 

Very serious Jacko. release point!!!!

You find the proper release point of your floater and you can become much more effective. I saw it with a couple of knucklers I coached back in the 90's. I never really liked the risk of that pitch but it is devastating to try and hit if it is effective. Besides, my argument is that an effective Wakefield helps our team a helluva lot more than an ineffective one. Besides, he has had his share of bummers this year. Now we need him to go on a hot streak with his pitching and if last night is of any indication possibly he will be a much more effective Tim pitching for us this summer.