Torre must go

[jacksonianmarch]

I would take Girardi over Donnie Baseball as a manager at this point. Girardi is a proven commodity' date=' but when you come to think of it, Willie Randolph wasn't proven, and he has done a decent job so far. Torre's staff has moved on to managing, with Mazzilli [at the time'] Girardi, Randolph, etc.

 

Shame is that the weakest link in the Yankee coaching staff is the man who calls the shots.

 

Why can't he have a non-life threatening ailment that will keep him from coaching for the rest of the year? Something like syphillis in an early stage?

 

penicillin wipes that out. I wont wish illness on someone, only misfortune. How about, FIRING!!!

[yankees228]

It is about time that Torre is shown the door. He is a piss-poor strategist, and the Yankees win in spite of him.

 

I can't believe I am saying it, but I am wishing for the days of a younger Steinbrenner. He would have been long gone by now.

 

Truth be told, the Yankees SHOULD have won two of three games at Fenway this weekend. I'm not taking anything away from the Sox efforts, but he had a lead going into the 7th inning I believe in both games, and due to his pitching mismanagement, they lost both games.

 

It is time for Torre to go. Not at the end of the season. NOW. Not only will they do better, but it may just show Arod that the manager that put him 8th last season in Detroit is no longer his coach.

 

Torre is probably as bad a strategist as the Yankees have ever had. Stump Merrill could have won with this team.

 

I'm not a Joe Torre fan either, but I think that getting swept by the Red Sox was due to the fact that they hard to start Jeff Karstens (coming off one rehab start which was stupid, but not a Torre decision) and Chase Wright. Injuries had a huge effect on the Red Sox series this weekend. That and the fact that Mo had a bad night.

[He Hate Me]

I dont think the problem is Joe Torre, the problem is the makeup of the roster isn't reallys suited for a guy like Torre anymore. Torre isn't the type to light a fire under someone's ass, and he didnt need to when we had Tino, Paulie, and Scotty around who didn't need anyone to give them a jolt. Unfortunately, those guys are no longer here and Torre's strength as a quiet but effective manager doesn't work so well anymore.

 

I love Joe, I think he's a great manager and deserving of a monument in Yankee stadium and in the HOF as a coach, but the current makeup of the roster just doesn't suit him, it's a mismatch. Right now, probably someone like Zimmer would be a better coach, if only to wake up our guys from their seemingly catatonic daydream.

[jacksonianmarch]

that is the point. Torre is great to ride an invincible juggernaut into a season. A team where his boneheaded moves are negated by fantastic players at every spot in the order, rotation and bullpen. There are no juggernauts in every aspect of the game anymore. And our team is getting younger. We need someone who can motivate and make good in game moves. Torre is still being Torre. This just isnt 1998 anymore.

[He Hate Me]

that is the point. Torre is great to ride an invincible juggernaut into a season. A team where his boneheaded moves are negated by fantastic players at every spot in the order' date=' rotation and bullpen. There are no juggernauts in every aspect of the game anymore. And our team is getting younger. We need someone who can motivate and make good in game moves. Torre is still being Torre. This just isnt 1998 anymore.[/quote']

 

I think you're being too hard on him. His decision making is no more stupid than any other manager in the league. We didn't have a juggernaut in '96 but still won. The only gripe I have with him right now and for the last few years is his passiveness. That would have worked when he had Paulie and co., but with this daydreamer roster, the passiveness really kills us sometimes. Like I said, it's a mismatch.

 

Simmons called it btw, i'm so sick of not protecting our hitters because of this bizarre "clasy" bs.

[He Hate Me]

btw why the hell do we have Mike Myers on the team, the guy is completely worthless. He'll pitch at most 30 innings this year, if even. what a waste of a roster spot

[redsoxrules]

btw why the hell do we have Mike Myers on the team' date=' the guy is completely worthless. He'll pitch at most 30 innings this year, if even. what a waste of a roster spot[/quote']

 

last 2 year combined he's only pitched 67 innings ,

this year he's on pace to pitch 68 , torre is gonna blow his arm out

[Mr Crunchy]

they got myers for 1 reason

david ortiz

[jacksonianmarch]

and he cant get him out as a yankee.

[He Hate Me]

and he cant get him out as a yankee.

 

ugh aint that the truth. I think it would be better to just dust Ortiz or IBB him if he's in a spot that could hurt us late in the game, rather than waste a perfectly good roster spot on a specialist who aint that special

[jacksonianmarch]

I would love for us to test out the strength of David's helmet especially after so many of our guys got drilled.

[BSN07]

I think Mattingly or Giradi is the Manager next year anyway...

[ryanromine]

I really don't think the Yanks problem lies within Torre, but it is that pitching staff. It's plagued by injuries this season and the bullpen is in shambles right now as well!

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Mattingly or Giradi is the Manager next year anyway...

 

and you better believe that Donny Baseball will protect his players. If you see Farns coming into a blowout game, you know it is to send a message.

[schillingouttheks]

I would love for us to test out the strength of David's helmet especially after so many of our guys got drilled.

 

I think your pitchers would be too afraid to do that. David Ortiz would eat one of them.

 

Besides, if you're going to hit him, don't advocate hitting him in the head, please.

[BSN07]

Ya I imagine he would be a little more of an aggresive manager, Torre just makes the Yankees look like a bunch of hi priced ninnys with no marbles...But they look classy:thumbsup:

[ryanromine]

Ya I imagine he would be a little more of an aggresive manager' date=' Torre just makes the Yankees look like a bunch of hi priced ninnys with no marbles...But they look classy:thumbsup:[/quote']

 

hahaha! That is way too funny

[jacksonianmarch]

and true. He is right. Torre's code of ethics does not include retaliation. Donny's will.

[He Hate Me]

I think your pitchers would be too afraid to do that. David Ortiz would eat one of them.

 

Besides, if you're going to hit him, don't advocate hitting him in the head, please.

 

yeah, I just wanna dust him, I don't wanna hurt the guy. and if you're gonna hit him purposefully, hit his behind.

[He Hate Me]

Ya I imagine he would be a little more of an aggresive manager' date=' Torre just makes the Yankees look like a bunch of hi priced ninnys with no marbles...But they look classy:thumbsup:[/quote']

 

ugh, the worst thing is I completely agree with this.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think your pitchers would be too afraid to do that. David Ortiz would eat one of them.

 

Besides, if you're going to hit him, don't advocate hitting him in the head, please.

 

well, to be honest with you, I dont think Ortiz could handle Giambroids. And if you want to send a message that hitting our players wont be tolerated, that is the way to go. Otherwise, go for the ribs. Most of the time, if you go for the head, you hit the shoulder and you are fine. The most dangerous spots are in the hands and in the knees.

[TheKilo]

well' date=' to be honest with you, I dont think Ortiz could handle Giambroids. And if you want to send a message that hitting our players wont be tolerated, that is the way to go. Otherwise, go for the ribs. [b'] Most of the time, if you go for the head, you hit the shoulder and you are fine.[/b] The most dangerous spots are in the hands and in the knees.

 

Tell that to Tony C ****stain.

[jacksonianmarch]

true.

[TheKilo]

The ****stain part was unnecessary but Tony C is a shining example of why you never throw at someone's head.

[Optimist]

http://nomaas.org/images/scarecrow_torre2.jpg

If only he had a brain...

[BSN07]

ESPN radio said the Boss is all sorts of pissed off, and Torre could be gone by the end of the weekend depending on the turn out of this series...

[a700hitter]

ESPN radio said the Boss is all sorts of pissed off' date=' and Torre could be gone by the end of the weekend depending on the turn out of this series...[/quote']That would be pretty funny. If Joe is fire, forget the Rocket touching down in NY, even though his girlfriend, Pettitte is there.

[RedSoxRooter]

Firing Torre would be reactionary, short sighted, and it wouldn't solve the problem of the Yanks starting rotation. Hey, the Sox had an off year last year and seem to be back stronger this year. Same could be going on with the Yanks. Firing Torre doesn't fix anything. He's overusing his bullpen because he has to (outside of using Pettitte in relief in real games which he should stop doing).

 

He's gone after this year anyway, so why now? If the Yankees make the post season there is no way they are able to win the WS anyway. The pitching - team wide - is just not good enough.

 

I will say, as a Sox fan, not seeing Torre in NY would make the Yanks seem even weaker. Once he and Mo and Jeter and Stienbrenner are gone, I'll be a happy man.

[a700hitter]

Firing Torre would be reactionary' date=' short sighted, and it wouldn't solve the problem of the Yanks starting rotation. [/quote']You've just described the Boss, and let's not forget that he really doesn't like Torre anymore.

[RedSoxRooter]

I guess that's the point. If he'd fired Torre after last year, everyone would have understood why. To do it now would seem desperate.