Torre must go

[Gom]

It is about time that Torre is shown the door. He is a piss-poor strategist, and the Yankees win in spite of him.

 

I can't believe I am saying it, but I am wishing for the days of a younger Steinbrenner. He would have been long gone by now.

 

Truth be told, the Yankees SHOULD have won two of three games at Fenway this weekend. I'm not taking anything away from the Sox efforts, but he had a lead going into the 7th inning I believe in both games, and due to his pitching mismanagement, they lost both games.

 

It is time for Torre to go. Not at the end of the season. NOW. Not only will they do better, but it may just show Arod that the manager that put him 8th last season in Detroit is no longer his coach.

 

Torre is probably as bad a strategist as the Yankees have ever had. Stump Merrill could have won with this team.

[jacksonianmarch]

It is about time that Torre is shown the door. He is a piss-poor strategist, and the Yankees win in spite of him.

 

I can't believe I am saying it, but I am wishing for the days of a younger Steinbrenner. He would have been long gone by now.

 

Truth be told, the Yankees SHOULD have won two of three games at Fenway this weekend. I'm not taking anything away from the Sox efforts, but he had a lead going into the 7th inning I believe in both games, and due to his pitching mismanagement, they lost both games.

 

It is time for Torre to go. Not at the end of the season. NOW. Not only will they do better, but it may just show Arod that the manager that put him 8th last season in Detroit is no longer his coach.

 

Torre is probably as bad a strategist as the Yankees have ever had. Stump Merrill could have won with this team.

 

 

/musictomyears.

[TheKilo]

It is about time that Torre is shown the door. He is a piss-poor strategist, and the Yankees win in spite of him.

 

I can't believe I am saying it, but I am wishing for the days of a younger Steinbrenner. He would have been long gone by now.

 

Truth be told, the Yankees SHOULD have won two of three games at Fenway this weekend. I'm not taking anything away from the Sox efforts, but he had a lead going into the 7th inning I believe in both games, and due to his pitching mismanagement, they lost both games.

 

It is time for Torre to go. Not at the end of the season. NOW. Not only will they do better, but it may just show Arod that the manager that put him 8th last season in Detroit is no longer his coach.

 

Torre is probably as bad a strategist as the Yankees have ever had. Stump Merrill could have won with this team.

 

Is it Torre's fault Rivera completely s*** the bed Friday night? Isn't that his job...bring in the relief ace to put out the fire?

 

Proctor's been overused, so you can have a claim at that one, but who would you have brought in in that spot? Vizcaino? That'd be three in a row from him. Henn? Farnsworth?

 

edit - lol

[adam123]

It is about time that Torre is shown the door. He is a piss-poor strategist, and the Yankees win in spite of him.

 

I can't believe I am saying it, but I am wishing for the days of a younger Steinbrenner. He would have been long gone by now.

 

Truth be told, the Yankees SHOULD have won two of three games at Fenway this weekend. I'm not taking anything away from the Sox efforts, but he had a lead going into the 7th inning I believe in both games, and due to his pitching mismanagement, they lost both games.

 

It is time for Torre to go. Not at the end of the season. NOW. Not only will they do better, but it may just show Arod that the manager that put him 8th last season in Detroit is no longer his coach.

 

Torre is probably as bad a strategist as the Yankees have ever had. Stump Merrill could have won with this team.

 

I really think they have old pitching and its finally showing . I really tought they would give him the door after 2004 so i think hes there for the long haul

[castigs850]

id say he has already been there for a pretty long haul, but if you are talking about this season then I'd say your right. he wont be gone until you guys dont make the WS this year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Mariano shares blame but one must think of something.

 

#1- Mo has not been used enough.

 

#2- Mo is coming off an awful outing in OAK

 

Considering those 2 things, Mo should have been used once in the Cleveland series to get his location back. A 4 day break after losing to Marco f***ing Scutaro is inexcuseable. Also, knowing that Mo's location is a bit off and his elbow is a ticking time bomb, you should avoid bringing him in with runners on or bringing him in for more than 1 inning. We already went over that game, but it wasnt just his bullpen he f***ed with. No Giambi late because of a pinch runner, no Phelps to finish the game. Bad news all around.

[Remember the Titans]

I really think they have old pitching and its finally showing . I really tought they would give him the door after 2004 so i think hes there for the long haul

 

lol tru u remember teh game last nite the yankmes r really bad rite?

[TheKilo]

Mariano shares blame but one must think of something.

 

#1- Mo has not been used enough.

 

#2- Mo is coming off an awful outing in OAK

 

Considering those 2 things, Mo should have been used once in the Cleveland series to get his location back. A 4 day break after losing to Marco f***ing Scutaro is inexcuseable. Also, knowing that Mo's location is a bit off and his elbow is a ticking time bomb, you should avoid bringing him in with runners on or bringing him in for more than 1 inning. We already went over that game, but it wasnt just his bullpen he f***ed with. No Giambi late because of a pinch runner, no Phelps to finish the game. Bad news all around.

 

Who should have come in during the 8th then? I swear Rivera is your best BP arm.

[adam123]

exactly this is what old spot pitching gets

[Remember the Titans]

exactly this is what old spot pitching gets

 

ya u think coach boone wuz 2 old wen he quit hey remembre the game last nite?

[a700hitter]

It's very easy to manage and win when you have 4 or 5 solid starters and lights out 8th and 9th inning guys. Now that he is without either end of the equation, he's helpless to manage to win any close games for his team. He got so used to winning being a turnkey operation that he literally forgot how to manage a game.

[jacksonianmarch]

Who should have come in during the 8th then? I swear Rivera is your best BP arm.

 

I know he is. Some of this is frustration but look at how he got into that mess.

 

Papi leading off, 4 run lead. I do not like Myers in this spot because you are more concerned with walking him than you are getting him out. In a close game with Papi up in a big spot, Myers could always go at him and if he walks him, he walks him. A 4 run lead in the 8th and Papi leading off changes how you pitch to him and negates your primary lefty specialist. I would not have used Vizcaino especially after he got bombed against the Guardians the day before. In that spot, I would have kept Proctor in after he threw 8 pitches to bail Pettitte out and then shut him down for the rest of the series. If no to Proctor, then I'd use Bruney who has been one of our best relievers to this point. If not Bruney, then Henn who has been very good especially vs the lefties. In no way do I bring in the guy with the biggest control problem in our pen into a game where a walk is killer.

[jacksonianmarch]

It's very easy to manage and win when you have 4 or 5 solid starters and lights out 8th and 9th inning guys. Now that he is without either end of the equation' date=' he's helpless to manage to win any close games for his team. He got so used to winning being a turnkey operation that he literally forgot how to manage a game.[/quote']

 

POST OF THE YEAR!!!!

 

Joe Torre has had it so easy for most of his career that he no longer possesses the ability to win a game based on having non-perfect options. Torre had a bullpen in the late 90s that had 3 or 4 guys who could be closers on it. Hell, they TRADED Bob Wickman away because he wasnt getting enough work. Even when Torre made the bonehead move, the pitcher he would bring in was so dominant that it didnt matter. In the past he had pitchers who he could leave out there too long and it wont matter. He had a rotation that had Cone, Wells, Gooden, Key, Pettitte, Clemens, El Duque, Neagle, Rogers, Mussina, etc etc. Guys in their prime (aside from gooden and Key) who he could hand the ball to and wake up in the 7th with the lead. Now he has matchup guys, short guys, long guys, guys who have poor control, guys with great control, fireballers, pusballers and a rotation filled with AARP members. We need a manager now. We need someone who can walk through the minefield unscathed. Our offense manages itself (even though Torre managed to f*** that up in game 1 already) so we will have lots of leads. But he is gonna have to make sure he picks the right guys to hold those leads. And even though he is being given uite an arsenal of power arms out there, he always seems to be using the coldest or more tired in the most inopportune time.

[Gom]

It's not even that. He burns his pen even when he wins. I would love to have Francona manage the Yankees. I never was a Torre fan, and this series just drove me nuts. He's clueless.

 

Look at Tito. He has a lead, he lets Matsuzaka go deep. I am willing to bet anyone here that sometime this week, the Yankees will have a 5-2 or 6-2 lead in the sixth inning and here comes the bullpen. THOSE are the games that cost the Yankees in Boston. His pen is so overworked that when he uses them in big spots, they s*** the bed because their arms are going to fall off.

 

Let me give you an example. Yankees have the lead on Friday, he takes out Pettitte. Bullpen blows the game.

 

Sunday. Yankees have the lead again. Brings in Pettitte. Umm...why didn't you LEAVE PETTITE IN ON FRIDAY? Why? Because he is an idiot, that's why. I agree with the move in bringing him in, he gets through the inning. Now what? Next inning, he has Manny and Drew up. So what does he do? HE BRINGS IN PROCTOR! Manny is 5 for 8 against Manny with three homeruns.

 

So instead of having the lefty for Drew, he gives the Sox the advantage twice.

 

He is absolutely horrible. The Yankees will NEVER win another World Series with this guy managing the team.

[Optimist]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1109/835/320/torre2cl.jpg

 

Damn Cashman and Swindel for fighting for him after the pathetic loss in Detroit.

[Papelbon58]

I was going to say you guys were crazy, because I was going to say that he may not be the best, but there isn't anyone better available. Then I remembered that Joe Girardi is sitting around waiting for this and, well, yeah.

[Gom]

Boston MVP:

 

JOE TORRE

 

People forget that the Yankees had the lead going into the 7th in two of the three games. He can't match up period.

 

I am disgusted.

[kyahbean]

I never liked Torre anyway. How can you like a guy that never smiles even when his team is winning a pennant?

[Cocos Disciples]

Boston MVP:

 

JOE TORRE

 

People forget that the Yankees had the lead going into the 7th in two of the three games. He can't match up period.

 

I am disgusted.

 

Throw the runs off Mariano Rivera out the window right? So we don't get any credit for beating you?

[Gom]

Throw the runs off Mariano Rivera out the window right? So we don't get any credit for beating you?

 

For the 257th time, I gave your team credit. You know, as a manager, you can only make the right moves. Now, if you get beat with your best, that's one thing. However, Torre doesn't make the right moves. So the fact of the matter remains that Torre doesn't make the moves needed to win.

 

Example: The Sox come back on Sunday, so Tito leaves Matsuzaka in to face Arod. That was the right move. Arod gets a hit, so he is gone.

 

If Torre's pitchers had a 7-2 lead going into the 7th, its time to take him out. It's like Torre thinks his starters will spontaneously combust if they go into the 7th inning, even if they have a 264 run lead.

 

Torre burns his pen in games he WINS for no reason, and the bullpen is ineffective in games he LOSES. Coincidence? No freaking way.

[schillingouttheks]

I never liked Torre anyway. How can you like a guy that never smiles even when his team is winning a pennant?

 

I know, really...he just cries.

[jacksonianmarch]

For the 257th time, I gave your team credit. You know, as a manager, you can only make the right moves. Now, if you get beat with your best, that's one thing. However, Torre doesn't make the right moves. So the fact of the matter remains that Torre doesn't make the moves needed to win.

 

Example: The Sox come back on Sunday, so Tito leaves Matsuzaka in to face Arod. That was the right move. Arod gets a hit, so he is gone.

 

If Torre's pitchers had a 7-2 lead going into the 7th, its time to take him out. It's like Torre thinks his starters will spontaneously combust if they go into the 7th inning, even if they have a 264 run lead.

 

Torre burns his pen in games he WINS for no reason, and the bullpen is ineffective in games he LOSES. Coincidence? No freaking way.

 

 

Gom, likely one of your strongest posts and one of my biggest pet peeves about Torre. In one of the games vs Cleveland when we had a 9-2 lead, he brought in Proctor to reliever Igawa, who was at 92 pitches through 6. The same Proctor who needs to have a new arm attached by the AS break. He refuses to stretch out his starters.

[inkman]

Did anyone think Petitte coming out of the bully was a good idea? Should that be on Joe?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Did anyone think Petitte coming out of the bully was a good idea? Should that be on Joe?

 

It saved the pen an inning, and Pettitte only had to throw 9 pitches. It was fine with me. But I think everyone's point is that it shouldn't have to come to that. Torre should rest the pen more so that on days where you need them, like when Chase gives up 4 homers in a row, they will be more effective.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I was going to say you guys were crazy' date=' because I was going to say that he may not be the best, but there isn't anyone better available. Then I remembered that Joe Girardi is sitting around waiting for this and, well, yeah.[/quote']

 

I thought Donald Baseball was in line for the job next year? :dunno:

[Papelbon58]

I thought Donald Baseball was in line for the job next year? :dunno:

 

He may be but that would be a stupid move on their part.

[TGov]

I was going to say you guys were crazy' date=' because I was going to say that he may not be the best, but there isn't anyone better available. Then I remembered that Joe Girardi is sitting around waiting for this and, well, yeah.[/quote']

 

O Ya Girardi, I forgot about him, why was he let go again?

[Gom]

I would take Girardi over Donnie Baseball as a manager at this point. Girardi is a proven commodity, but when you come to think of it, Willie Randolph wasn't proven, and he has done a decent job so far. Torre's staff has moved on to managing, with Mazzilli [at the time] Girardi, Randolph, etc.

 

Shame is that the weakest link in the Yankee coaching staff is the man who calls the shots.

 

Why can't he have a non-life threatening ailment that will keep him from coaching for the rest of the year? Something like syphillis in an early stage?

[Gom]

Gom' date=' likely one of your strongest posts and one of my biggest pet peeves about Torre. In one of the games vs Cleveland when we had a 9-2 lead, he brought in Proctor to reliever Igawa, who was at 92 pitches through 6. The same Proctor who needs to have a new arm attached by the AS break. He refuses to stretch out his starters.[/quote']

 

I have been validated by the immortal jacksonianmarch

 

DO YOU HEAR THAT HEATHENS?

 

LOL! I can't even take a compliment well. Jacks, you watch the games, you know he burns them out even when he wins.

[jacksonianmarch]

LOL! I can't even take a compliment well. Jacks, you watch the games, you know he burns them out even when he wins.

 

and it burns me on the inside. Even last yr when we got 6+ regularly from our top 3, he somehow managed to set record with his usage of Proctor.