The Official Petition for the Release of Julian Tavares

[Plumpamania]

Dear Theo Epstein,

 

We understand the predicament you're in concerning the number five spot in the current Red Sox rotation, however as fans from Red Sox Nation, we cannot continue to watch him pitch without developing an ulcer. We are sure as you have to watch it as well, that watching Tavares pitch is worse than passing a kidney stone. Please as a matter of faith to those of whom help to pay the bills, release him.

 

 

Red Sox Nation

 

PS Curt, we know you love to blog and do the internet thing, but please stay off the computer, don't sign this petition, and keep that CT under control.

 

1). Plump

[RedSoxRooter]

Lester is coming. Lester is coming. Deep breath. Lester is coming.

[a700hitter]

Lester is coming. Lester is coming. Deep breath. Lester is coming.

Yeah, that should give us an extra inning each start. Instead of 4 innings, we'll get 5. We need Clemens.

[Cocos Disciples]

Tavarez doesn't need to be released. Just get out of the f***ing rotation.

[a700hitter]

Tavarez doesn't need to be released. Just get out of the f***ing rotation.

He needs to be packaged with Lowell, MDC and Hansen for Helton.

[yankees228]

Lester is coming. Lester is coming. Deep breath. Lester is coming.

 

What is the timetable on Lester?

[riverside sluggers]

Lester still has 3 starts to go for Single A Greenville. After which they'll send him up to Pawtucket. I dont want to rush the kid, and just hope the Sox are able to swing a deal for a serviceable stop gap starter or someone like Hansack shows enough moxie to hold that 5th spot down

[RedSoxRooter]

I was expecting Lester to return in June. Actually, I think it will work something like - we trade Snyder to a team that's reeaaaly desperate for starting pitching for some A ball catcher, Tavarez moves into long relief and they promote Lester if the Clemens thing falls through.

 

Basically, I feel the Lester/Clemens timetables are about the same.

[CrespoBlows]

Yeah' date=' that should give us an extra inning each start. Instead of 4 innings, we'll get 5. We need Clemens.[/quote']

 

Maybe we should see how the guy pitches without a bad back/cancer? :dunno:

[BruinsFan]

We need Clemens.

 

Yup.

[Plumpamania]

He needs to be packaged with Lowell' date=' MDC and Hansen for Helton.[/quote']

 

For a guy signed to 2011 that hits 15 HR a year with chronic injuries, I'd rather not.

[exsubmariner]

Lester is coming. Lester is coming. Deep breath. Lester is coming.

 

Yeah I want another 5 IP with a 4.76 ERA pitcher (for more see my Is Lester . . . post). He needs to stay in the minors until he shows he is completely cancer free and that he can at least dominate AAA. Replacing Tavares with a pitcher who can't break the top 100 in the AL is not the answer (and neither is Clemens).:thumbsup:

[Plumpamania]

Yeah I want another 5 IP with a 4.76 ERA (for more see my Is Lester . . . post. He needs to stay in the minors until he shows he is completely cancer free and that he can at least dominate AAA. Replacing Tavares with a pitcher who can't break the top 100 in the AL is not the answer (and neither is Clemens).:thumbsup:

 

Lester did dominate AAA. That was the thing. He just showed no consistency in control, and until his back (cancer) acted up, he was doing very well at the MLB level.

[schillingouttheks]

At this point I'd feel better putting Piniero out there instead...at least he's used to starting...

[riverside sluggers]

Yeah I want another 5 IP with a 4.76 ERA pitcher (for more see my Is Lester . . . post). He needs to stay in the minors until he shows he is completely cancer free and that he can at least dominate AAA. Replacing Tavares with a pitcher who can't break the top 100 in the AL is not the answer (and neither is Clemens).:thumbsup:

 

If given the chance, you wouldnt replace Tavarez with Roger Clemens?

[ksushi]

Lester > Clemens. Suck it, 700.

[TGov]

I say, bring up Hansack to be the #5 starter until Lester's ready... and depending... sign Clemens... Also, play Wily Mo at first to get him comfortable then trade Lowell at the trade deadline and move Youk to third and Wily Mo to first... if Brandon Moss keeps producing like he has been bring him up to be the #5 starter along with Ellsbury(#4 unless he's already starting in CF, then trade Coco at the deadline too)... I just thought this up... ha...

 

If they're going to trade Lowell and Coco, etc... they should go after a 1B (not Helton) or 3B... but I don't know who at the moment...

[RedSoxRooter]

Lester > Clemens. Suck it' date=' 700.[/quote']

 

:lol:

 

This cracked me up. I feel the same way on both counts.

[a700hitter]

For a guy signed to 2011 that hits 15 HR a year with chronic injuries' date=' I'd rather not.[/color']

Yeah, I'd rather not give up a bag of s*** for a 32 year old with a .400 career OBP. That would make no sense at all.

[a700hitter]

Lester > Clemens. Suck it' date=' 700.[/quote']I only wish that wer true. I'd be thrilled if he wins 150 games in his career. Clemens attacked the strike zone from day 1. Remember 20 k's 0 walks against the Mariners. This kid needs to throw strimkes and stop nibbling.

[a700hitter]

Lester > Clemens. Suck it' date=' 700.[/quote']You know Ksushi you are making me regret letting you off the hook last season when you lost your bet to me. I should have humiliated you. A dose of humble pie might have done you some good, because you still have a tendency to be unecessarily nasty.:thumbdown

[CrespoBlows]

Yeah' date=' I'd rather not give up a bag of s*** for a 32 year old with a .400 career OBP. That would make no sense at all.[/quote']

 

Explain to me why what Helton did in 1999 has any bearing on his effectiveness for here until his career is over?

[a700hitter]

Explain to me why what Helton did in 1999 has any bearing on his effectiveness for here until his career is over?

In 1999, Helton had the lowest OPB that he has had in 7 years including his injury plagued 2006. It has been over .400 every year since. So, your point is? Edit: Plus, what would be giving up of any real value?

[CrespoBlows]

In 1999' date=' Helton had the lowest OPB that he has had in 7 years including his injury plagued 2006. It has been over .400 every year since. So, your point is?[/quote']

 

I used 1999 as a random year. The point is, why does it matter what Helton did for the last 7 years?

 

Is he going to be an effective ball player for the next 6 years is the better question.

[a700hitter]

I used 1999 as a random year. The point is, why does it matter what Helton did for the last 7 years?

 

Is he going to be an effective ball player for the next 6 years is the better question.

His OBP is .500 so far this year. He's a super star who is only 32. Does he have some sort of degenerative injury or disease that I don't know about? Look out there. There are quite a few very productive first baseman that are over 35. It doesn't matter to a first baseman if he loses a step. His range is not that important. He'll probably be abl to hit until he is 40.

[CrespoBlows]

His OBP is .500 so far this year.

 

Great. You used a sample size of 19 AB's. (It's actually down to .429, his SLG% is .391)

 

 

 

He's a super star who is only 32.

 

Was a superstar.

 

Does he have some sort of degenerative injury or disease that I don't know about?

 

The Colorado Rockies have placed 1B Todd Helton (stomach) on the 15-day disabled list, because of a stomach ailment, according to the Associated Press.

 

The Sports Network reports Colorado Rockies 1B Todd Helton (elbow) had surgery to remove a loose body from his right elbow. He suffered the injury last week while working out and should be ready for spring training.

 

Look out there. There are quite a few very productive first baseman that are over 35.

 

He'll be 41 years old when his deal is over. I doubt he'll be effective at all then.

 

 

It doesn't matter to a first baseman if he loses a step. His range is not that important. He'll probably be abl to hit until he is 40.

 

Who said anything about range?

 

2004     Colorado Rockies 154 547 115 190 49 2 [b]32[/b] 96 339 127 72 3 0 .469 .620 .347 
2005     Colorado Rockies 144 509 92 163 45 2 [b]20[/b] 79 272 106 80 3 0 .445 .534 .320 
2006     Colorado Rockies 145 546 94 165 40 5 [b]15[/b] 81 260 91 64 3 2 .404 .476 .302 

 

That's what everyone's worried about. He's gone from an OPS+ of 159, to a 119. To put that into perspective, Kevin Youkilis, a player you despise, has an OPS+ of 112. Is Todd Helton really worth the $70 million dollars, plus the three arms?

[a700hitter]

He'll be 41 years old when his deal is over. I doubt he'll be effective at all then.

So, trade him at 35.

 

Is his stomach ailment a chronic or degenerative disease that will affect his performance? Is that "body" still in his elbow? He's 32. Papi is 31 and fat. Should we move him after this year?

 

Helton was injured the last two years and he still was a force. Now he is healthy.

[jacksonianmarch]

So, trade him at 35.

 

Is his stomach ailment a chronic or degenerative disease that will affect his performance? Is that "body" still in his elbow? He's 32. Papi is 31 and fat. Should we move him after this year?

 

I had heard he had ulcerative colitis which is chronic.

[a700hitter]

I had heard he had ulcerative colitis which is chronic.

It's treatable and unless he is experiencing a flare up, it shouldn't affect his performance.

[a700hitter]

Even if it does flare up, he can wear depends.