Wily Mo's Future

[adam123]

ok people all i hear is he needs at bats well hes had 3 team and all them have given up on him exept us how many at bats does this guy need .. .. so i think we give him one more shot .. iknow hes young and all but come on hes horrible on the field ..and hes a major leaguer .. when are we just gonna trade him .. i would like rios ..but thats never gonna happen

[Gom]

I hope Wily Mo gets 500 AB for the Sox this year.

 

For those of you who don't know, I'm a Yankee fan.

 

Figure it out.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I hope Wily Mo gets 500 AB for the Sox this year.

 

For those of you who don't know, I'm a Yankee fan.

 

Figure it out.

 

I don't understand what would make you say this...the guy has shown loads of power and batted .300 last year in limited action. Is your only motivation behind him getting 500 ABs that he'll also have to play the field because you know Papi is the DH?

[Gom]

I don't understand what would make you say this...the guy has shown loads of power and batted .300 last year in limited action. Is your only motivation behind him getting 500 ABs that he'll also have to play the field because you know Papi is the DH?

 

Wily Mo Pena has fantastic power, but you will see over time that he does not adjust or adapt well. I think that he is quite possibly the most overrated player on your roster.

[redsoxrules]

Wily Mo Pena has fantastic power' date=' but you will see over time that he does not adjust or adapt well. I think that he is quite possibly the most overrated player on your roster.[/quote']

 

 

agree

[TheKilo]

agree

 

I bet you wish we kept ALLSTAR PITCHER BRONSON ARROYO

 

and signed PEDRO (ILUVPEDRO!!11!!)

 

and need to resign the dirt dog TROT NIXON

[redsoxrules]

I bet you wish we kept ALLSTAR PITCHER BRONSON ARROYO

 

and signed PEDRO (ILUVPEDRO!!11!!)

 

and need to resign the dirt dog TROT NIXON

 

f*** no i hate bronson

 

trot's production is getting poor so im not disapointed

[TheKilo]

f*** no i hate bronson

 

trot's production is getting poor so im not disapointed

 

Ok, so long as you're levelheaded and not a pink hat bastard.

[seabeachfred]

Iagree they traded a starting pithcher to get this guy for a reason. When Manny's days are done at Fenway' date=' I think WMP will be his replacement.[/quote']

 

If that is the intention of the Red Sox they have to work out a way to get this guy some at-bats this coming season. He is now 2 for 38 in the DWL, hardly anything to get excited about. What worries me about him is his reputed bad work habits and tendency to regress. You look at the guy watch him attack a baseball and put it out of sight in BP and you just drool, but I remember Dave Nicholson of long ago, and about a decade past out here in Los Angeles the Dodgers had a guy named Billy Ashley who had as much power as Pena. He couldn't keep from striking out and washed out completely. Most of the time these things to happen, but power like Pena has can hypnotize an organization so I think the Red Sox will hold on to him for another two years and see if he can take over for Manny. Of course, we could save our money for next year's FA derby and go all out for Mark Teixiera. He's the guy the Red Sox really need down the road, a switch hitting power hitting first baseman.

[seabeachfred]

I hope Wily Mo gets 500 AB for the Sox this year.

 

For those of you who don't know, I'm a Yankee fan.

 

Figure it out.

 

Gom, anytime a Yankee fan wants Pena to get 500 at-bats Red Sox fans should run for cover. Perhaps you, like me, saw Wily Mo last September in that Saturday DH when he struck out five times, left 12 runners on base and misplayed three balls in the second game that cost us a DH sweep. Yes, he has tremendous light tower power, but he cannot play RF or LF worth a damn, strikes out way too much, has poor work habits and has a tendency to regress. Aside from that he's terrific. The problem arises when you see him hit a baseball. You lay one in on him and he can hit it as far as anyone. How many pitchers are going to do that, or, for that matter, are doing that in the DWL where he is now 2 for 38 Doesn't get me too excited.

[example1]

Are you guys talking about the guy who hit .301 last year with a respectable .349 OBP and .838 OPS? At the age of 24?

 

I think if you give the kid 500 ABs your going to get .350 OBP, .500 SLG with 25 HR. For a guy (the third on the team) who can realistically play any of the three outfield.

 

Who cares about his performance in the DWL. It's spring-training-training. It doesn't mean jack. If the guy shows up in the spring and bites until a few weeks into the season then we can reevaluate, but until then give the guy some props for playing over his 'time off' and hope that he's working on some particular things.

 

Everyone admits that he hits HR better than average, yet they'll complain about his strikeouts without discussing his .300+ avg or decent OBP for such a hacker. This guy is a major league hitter, no doubt. He could possibly use some time in the minors, but some team is going to be happy to have him in the next couple of years.

[hoke3182]

I hope Wily Mo gets 500 AB for the Sox this year.

 

For those of you who don't know, I'm a Yankee fan.

 

Figure it out.

well your an idiot if he gets some at bats he'll be a great pick up. Our teams not set up for senior citizens, you got to start young f***face. I'm wasting my time with you.

[hoke3182]

Wily Mo Pena has fantastic power' date=' but you will see over time that he does not adjust or adapt well. I think that he is quite possibly the most overrated player on your roster.[/quote']Go chat on your yank's site about an overpaid injury prone left hander, Yeah Andy Petitte

[BSN07]

Go chat on your yank's site about an overpaid injury prone left hander' date=' Yeah Andy Petitte[/quote']

 

 

 

Easy JR. Gom may be a NYY fan but is also a respected poster on these boards. So ease up a bit with the language and your teenage rebelness. If you hate the NYY thats fine and dandy, but on this site where not just hatters, we like intelectual baseball chit chat not some new guy calling one of our vets a "f***face"and things of this nature. Trust me it won't make anyone like you any better or faster. So if you can't add to the adult conversations then pack it up and find another site.

 

And if Yeszir catches you talking like that you will be gone for sure...

[hoke3182]

yeah I was a little drunk last night and I just checked my posts and I wanna appologize to Gom. I stll think they overpaid for Petitte but thats beside the point. Sorry to all I pissed off

[BSN07]

yeah I was a little drunk last night and I just checked my posts and I wanna appologize to Gom. I stll think they overpaid for Petitte but thats beside the point. Sorry to all I pissed off

 

Thanks Hoke, I think most of us have had drunken posts before!

 

But I for one am grateful for your apology, and look forwad to you further posts:thumbsup:

[Mr Crunchy]

this arroyo for pena deal looks worse by the hour

this is difficult to say after the perfomances of lenny dinardo jj johnson and the 10 other guys we used to replace arroyo and wakefield

[BSN07]

this arroyo for pena deal looks worse by the hour

this is difficult to say after the perfomances of lenny dinardo jj johnson and the 10 other guys we used to replace arroyo and wakefield

 

 

 

Ya it does at some points, but we took the less proven player, but WMP does have the bigger upside, Arroyo has hit his peak and WMP is coming into his prime, if they can ever find a spot in the filed to play him he might end up being the better player in this deal.

[BudLight]

The Sox now find themselves in the same position as the Yankees and Reds did with Pena. He has the potential to be a very good power hitter, however, because he is out of minor league options (thank the Yanks), and is not quite ready for everyday play, there is little you can do with him. He needs to play every day and just won't get that chance in an organization such as the Sox. Their best bet may be to trade him to a lower market team in need of a power stick where he can get the chance to play every day.

[BSN07]

But i'm not in favor of trading him unless we get something very nice in return, I don't want them to sell low on him.

[Mr Crunchy]

and if we deal pena will we get a 15 win 200 inning starter with an era of 4.5??

arroyo isnt 30 yet is he??

he was cheap,,had a rubber arm and loved the city

theo then f***ed him after he took the home town discount

 

let that be a lesson learned for all potential players willing to accept the home town discount

david ortiz signed for what??

12M in july

and now theyre offering drew 14M per??

 

sure

[BSN07]

Yes but its all in what the market is like too. They signed Ortiz before it blew up, just like Houston rapped up Oswalt before s*** hit the fan, and now hes signed under market value. Arroyo might have gotten a little bit more money on the open market if he had hit it a couple years ago( would have made out nicely this year if he was a FA) but he took a little less on a hometown discount, but you know the risks going in to this hole deal unless oyu have a NTC, Unless you have a NTC then at any point you could be shipped out. Thats just the game.

 

With Matsuzaka,Beckett,Papelbon and the youngsters waiting in the wings, Arroyo had a couple years left here at best before he was pushed to the bullpen of moved out for a young power arm, they sold on Arroyo when his value was about as hi as it was going to get, if anything they should have asked for a little more in the trade.

[Mr Crunchy]

thats all well and good but when drew signs and if ortiz holds out for fair market value will the sox tell him to shove it with a straight face??

 

sure you won us a world series and have been the biggest clutch hitter the sport has seen maybe ever but youre not jd drew

take it or leave it??

 

if we were talking about anyone with an ego this would be a problem

luckily we're talking about ortiz here

 

how many more games would the sox won last year with arroyo as their 5 as opposed to the s*** heels we marched out their every 5th day

not to mention the beating the bullpen took because of the futility of the replacements

[BudLight]

To this day I don't understand that trade. What was the intention in acquiring Pena? An everyday player or a utility guy? Why trade a solid #5 starter for a utility guy? Now they are in a situation where they have to s*** or get off the pot with Pena. They have some youngsters in the minors who will be Major League ready in the near future and Wily Mo taking up a roster spot. Smart GM's would not offer much in a trade knowing the situation the Sox are in.

[Mr Crunchy]

theres not a big calling for 5th outfielders who K every 2.5abs

[a700hitter]

To this day I don't understand that trade. What was the intention in acquiring Pena? An everyday player or a utility guy? Why trade a solid #5 starter for a utility guy? Now they are in a situation where they have to s*** or get off the pot with Pena. They have some youngsters in the minors who will be Major League ready in the near future and Wily Mo taking up a roster spot. Smart GM's would not offer much in a trade knowing the situation the Sox are in.

I was in favor of the trade at first, but I must admit that they could have gotten a 4th OF for a much cheaper price than a #4/5 starter that takes the ball every fifth day and puts up 10-15 wins every year.

[Mr Crunchy]

the innings man

the 200+ innings of 4.5 era we lost were critical

[rician blast]

not to mention that he had good hair and played in a rock band and was probably laying pipe in college dorm rooms throughout the city...he coulda been iconic in the HUB in a few more years.

[a700hitter]

the innings man

the 200+ innings of 4.5 era we lost were critical

Have you noticed the market for pitchers like that?

[seabeachfred]

Are you guys talking about the guy who hit .301 last year with a respectable .349 OBP and .838 OPS? At the age of 24?

 

I think if you give the kid 500 ABs your going to get .350 OBP, .500 SLG with 25 HR. For a guy (the third on the team) who can realistically play any of the three outfield.

 

Who cares about his performance in the DWL. It's spring-training-training. It doesn't mean jack. If the guy shows up in the spring and bites until a few weeks into the season then we can reevaluate, but until then give the guy some props for playing over his 'time off' and hope that he's working on some particular things.

 

Everyone admits that he hits HR better than average, yet they'll complain about his strikeouts without discussing his .300+ avg or decent OBP for such a hacker. This guy is a major league hitter, no doubt. He could possibly use some time in the minors, but some team is going to be happy to have him in the next couple of years.

 

EX, I still think that team will be us. If we can give him some quality at-bats the next two season and keep working on his mechanics he could be a solid player for us by the age of 27 and still young enough to move into Manny's spot and do the job. I just worry that with his work habits he might not be able to do what's needed. Then, again, this is what I hear from the grapevine like the rest of you; that his work habits are a little lax. Here's one possibility; he learns to play a little first base down the road and for the next two seasons gets some time there and in the three OF positions, enough to get him enough at bats to keep him sharp. The flaw in that, though, is that there are those who believe he needs 500 at-bats a year the next two seasons to really develop and barring injury to one of our starters that won't happen. I guess from your last sentence you are thinking that he will be traded soon? Anyway, all we can do is guess on his improvement and where he will be playing, but I think Theo wants to hold on to him.